This fair country of ours is in a right old mess, things need to change.

[Charlie Farley]

As in the title really, what's happening to us all.
Grim times ahead indeed, we're all going to feel the pinch more now.

Glad i don't need to re-mortgage now, well I'm avoiding everything that involves spending, well accept on the old bus.

 

[Terminator x]

Been one big problem after another though tbf. 2008 crash then brexit then covid then Ukraine now the Pound, inflation, base rates ...

TX.

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[8YARWY]

Been one big problem after another though tbf. 2008 crash then brexit then covid then Ukraine now the Pound, inflation, base rates ...

TX.

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Butler being made redundant then john


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[Terminator x]

Perish the thought! Turned the furnace down one degree though.

TX.

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[Jassyo06]

Its F.U.B.A.R Why 1reason Furlough scheme was one culprit....hmrc are now trying to recoupe billions from fraudsters....Covid is never mentioned anymore i find this surreal
Brexit.....f@@ked this country right up ...uk to be renamed Uk-raine we are a small country which still has The Great British Empire mentality time for a huge reality check and as @Terminator x said its never been the same since 2008....or even 1983 ...recessions are part of our cycle of life so I'll wonder how long this one will last ....not long l hope again the media have a lot to blame with this they're parasites, covid....was boom time for them as will this current situation

 

[NHN]

If we looked at world economics as a whole, western countries giving 2 communist countries the keys, so to speak, wasn't the wisest move, at all.

Allured by cheap labour & energy, talk about setup to fail.

Russia blowing up Nord line few days back, literally just as autumn winter gets started, says allot, there's no limits to that man's evil & need for power, he needs to understand, the USSR is gone & it's never coming back.

 

[nothingness]

Everyone blames "the tories" for this despite things like privitization of NHS occuring under Labour party.
You just need to realize that it doesn't matter what the country does, you are beyond it.
I know people who are millionaires+ who didn't have any lockdown parameters during covid. They were partying in countries that did not even lock down.
Currently there's a war in a Ukraine yet they allowed all the women to leave the country (so much for male privilege LOL) and the single ones are all partying in neighbouring countries whilst their men are dying in Ukraine.
Concentrate on YOU and not your country.... our leaders don't care about us it's so obvious.

 

[Dubjam]

Everyone blames "the tories" for this despite things like privitization of NHS occuring under Labour party.
You just need to realize that it doesn't matter what the country does, you are beyond it.
I know people who are millionaires+ who didn't have any lockdown parameters during covid. They were partying in countries that did not even lock down.
Currently there's a war in a Ukraine yet they allowed all the women to leave the country (so much for male privilege LOL) and the single ones are all partying in neighbouring countries whilst their men are dying in Ukraine.
Concentrate on YOU and not your country.... our leaders don't care about us it's so obvious.

This absolutely stinks of Tory ideology.

I wonder, if you had to pick up whatever you could fit into a suitcase and be moved to a foreign country you would be 'partying', and quite frankly even if you were, thats fine, you have to cope with the trauma of what has just happened. Go party, go skydive, do whatever you can to mentally survive.

The Tories have destroyed this country in the past decade, and they will continue to do so. They will support their donors and party members (PPE contracts, stamp duty freeze which raised house prices to levels beyond belief - remembering the biggest landlords in the country are Tory party donors, all the little things they did that ensured thw wealthy remained wealthy, the middle earns felt 'safe but stressed' and the poor given scraps). Can't remember there being Food Banks in the 90's?

Heres a little snippet of Tory reign...

I would love to see your data of the privatisation of the NHS under Labour though, and then compare it to what the Tories have done..

 

[nothingness]

If you're going to quote data you should at least do it from the beginning not just cherrypicked to suit your narrative whilst being willfully ignorant of Labor's faults.

 

[Dubjam]

If you're going to quote data you should at least do it from the beginning not just cherrypicked to suit your narrative whilst being willfully ignorant of Labor's faults.

Happy to hear the faults, go right ahead, that's what the dialogue is for. I only picked a few as not to swamp the thread, I could probably fill all of your bandwidth if I felt like it. Tories and Tory-sympathisers, deplorable quite frankly.

Whereas I accept not every government gets everything right, and many don't, and I am certainly no fan of Labour especially after how they treated JC, if you even begin to compare the Tory-scum social cleansing decade with Labour in the 90's, you will certainly make you own grave.

 

[nothingness]

1998–2007: Labour's decade

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk

It's all there and catalogued.
Both parties are as bad as each other and probably designed to divide/conquer like this thread is doing right now.
To quote my own post

Concentrate on YOU and not your country.... our leaders don't care about us it's so obvious.

One thing I see from Labour voters is they are very proud that they are all lovely and selfless individuals just for voting Labour, and at the same time defend Labour to the death, calling facts about what Labour did as "fake news"...just virtue signalling the whole way.
I have no issue with what you said about the Tories either, their job is obvious, to ruin the country, but don't hide the fact it's obvious that Labours job is also to ruin the country too.
All of this is from the WEF anyway.
They are all listed as WEF people. Both sides, to the same coin. Globalism 101.

Jeremy Corbyn | World Economic Forum

Boris Johnson | World Economic Forum

 

[Dubjam]

1998–2007: Labour's decade

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk

It's all there and catalogued.
Both parties are as bad as each other and probably designed to divide/conquer like this thread is doing right now.
To quote my own post


One thing I see from Labour voters is they are very proud that they are all lovely and selfless individuals just for voting Labour, and at the same time defend Labour to the death, calling facts about what Labour did as "fake news"...just virtue signalling the whole way.
I have no issue with what you said about the Tories either, their job is obvious, to ruin the country, but don't hide the fact it's obvious that Labours job is also to ruin the country too.
All of this is from the WEF anyway.
They are all listed as WEF people. Both sides, to the same coin. Globalism 101.

Jeremy Corbyn | World Economic Forum

Boris Johnson | World Economic Forum

Listing things does not form dialogue imo. If you wish to discuss a certain element of the failures, then you need to pick a few to begin with, because we would need to compare the damage compare, because let's face it, as imperfect as Labour was and is their record certainly won't come out anywhere near as bad as the Tories.

I don't know your job, or social/financial situation etc, but if you have any direct experience of the true destruction to (I hate classifications but for easier understanding) low and working class peoples lives that the Tories have caused in the past decade you really couldn't even open a comparison discussion unless you're a pseudo-fascist.

I just think your rhetoric of 'look after yourself' is terrible tbh. Many don't have the ability to do that - the disabled, the less educated, the people who didn't have the same opportunities as others etc, so if everyone thought like you, which 50% of the population do by voting Tory, it creates such a toxic social environment which deepens social divides, this isn't healthy or productive for a society to heal and build a better world for our future generations and it causes increased tension and ultimately hurt which will fuel poverty, crime, mental health issues etc.

I have a strong mistrust of Labour as well just to make it clear. Labour councils have been ruining London for years, inc my own borough, yet much of it falls back to Tory policies that have caused them to act this way., still I find their obnoxious 'holier than thou' attitude and ego fights quite toxic, even more so with the champagne socialists voters. There is no perfect answer, but there is better than what there is.

 

[nothingness]

Listing things does not form dialogue imo

Starts the conversation off by listing Tory failures on graphs, conveniently only starting from the date Labour left power.

I don't know your job, or social/financial situation etc, but if you have any direct experience of the true destruction to (I hate classifications but for easier understanding) low and working class peoples lives that the Tories have caused in the past decade you really couldn't even open a comparison discussion unless you're a pseudo-fascist.

"If you don't agree with me you're a fascist".

I just think your rhetoric of 'look after yourself' is terrible tbh. Many don't have the ability to do that - the disabled, the less educated, the people who didn't have the same opportunities as others etc, so if everyone thought like you, which 50% of the population do by voting Tory

"You are by default a Tory member because you look after yourself, and therefore evil."
For reference, I haven't voted since 2010. Why not? Because I think both parties are designed to divide/conquer. Which I already stated. But you keep replying because you are desperate to paint me as evil and uncaring via assumption and therefore paint yourself as "right" "caring" "empathetic" and all of the other bs that Labour supporters constantly virtue signal to others. Congratulations...give yourself a big pat on the back for being morally superior to 50% of the population.

Yet by voting you are part of the same corrupt system you despise. Funny, that.

still I find their obnoxious 'holier than thou' attitude and ego fights quite toxic

The ultimate irony is that is exactly how you come across to me. You already indirectly called me a fascist, and selfish. You have the same holier than thou attitude you claim to despise of your fellow Labour voters.

To sum up, Imagine tomorrow you woke up and Tories and their supporters did not exist. Just Labor... you still wouldn't be able to go to an NHS hospital if you hurt yourself, because Labour privatized the NHS. The fact you keep arguing with and ignoring, asking me to cite and then stating the citation is pointless, instead choosing to insult me, for not agreeing with you. Just like every vocal Labour supporter I've ever met.

 

[Dubjam]

Starts the conversation off by listing Tory failures on graphs, conveniently only starting from the date Labour left power.


"If you don't agree with me you're a fascist".


"You are by default a Tory member because you look after yourself, and therefore evil."
For reference, I haven't voted since 2010. Why not? Because I think both parties are designed to divide/conquer. Which I already stated. But you keep replying because you are desperate to paint me as evil and uncaring via assumption and therefore paint yourself as "right" "caring" "empathetic" and all of the other bs that Labour supporters constantly virtue signal to others. Congratulations...give yourself a big pat on the back for being morally superior to 50% of the population.

Yet by voting you are part of the same corrupt system you despise. Funny, that.


The ultimate irony is that is exactly how you come across to me. You already indirectly called me a fascist, and selfish. You have the same holier than thou attitude you claim to despise of your fellow Labour voters.

To sum up, Imagine tomorrow you woke up and Tories and their supporters did not exist. Just Labor... you still wouldn't be able to go to an NHS hospital if you hurt yourself, because Labour privatized the NHS. The fact you keep arguing with and ignoring, asking me to cite and then stating the citation is pointless, instead choosing to insult me, for not agreeing with you. Just like every vocal Labour supporter I've ever met.

You seem somewhat hurt by my previous posts.

So, to clarify.

I selected a few of the major failings, if you wished to discuss, you could of, instead you didnt, you made some links without any highlighting and chose not to engage further other than to throw a rattle when presented with an opinion.

It isn't a case of agreeing with me, its about being ethical and moral in the face of adversity. If you feel you fall into the my connotations of why I would deem as a fascist, that's entirely your decision, you haven't given examples of why that may be incorrect, you've just merely thrown your rattle again. I do accept I may have started out a little strong though so I apologise for that. I do believe there are left wing fascists also

Not voting, while I can see it has its merits for ego and protest etc, does not help others, therefore spoiling ballots or sitting on your hands to me is a waste of the miniscule amount power a person has to change things, and in turn change the lives of others for the better. I have an attitude that calls out injustice and selfishness and I try to always think about others and to support people less fortunate than me, if that is 'holier than thou' in your opinion, then maybe that's where half the problem stems from? Perception of what compassion is has become distorted in the society that we as humans have created.

While I have clearly touched a nerve by pointing out your self-proclaimed lack of empathy, which you feel is merely me promoting my myself as a more empathetic person isn't something I can rectify for you, and I do believe that has actually made my argument for me in that sense. I have no moral high ground to take, none of us do, but as long as are striving to do better, be better, is all one can do. Hiding in self preservation if you are financially and intellectually able not to seems such a waste.

There are other parties than just Labour and Tory you know? So while I would love it to wake up with no Tories in society, the country (and world) would be a much much better place in my opinion, I wonder what it would look like with a different party, and who knows where the NHS would be - it certainly wouldn't be the state it is in now. You need some citations of your Labour privatisation argument to form a debate.

I reply, because that is how a debate works. You can personalise it all you like to cover for your shortcomings in this discussion, but the whole butthurt card dosent really wash with me, but I understand it is grown from somewhere, usually trauma, and I am sorry if that has been the case for you. My stance is equally grown from unfortunate life experiences.

 

[Jcbmally]

Well I voted for my gerbil as all parties are as bad as each other.

 

[Charlie Farley]

Not that i'm getting into a political debate, i could but i won't, but, there is an element of age involved here.
Some of the older generations, such as myself may have more reason to dislike the tories for example through previous experiences, and similarly with labour or liberals.
As one of let's say an older generation, I can recall many things that the three main parties have done, some good, some not so good and some just downright bad.
For me the tories are ruining the country, that's not to say that labour are not far behind but in recent years the tories have shown to be only really concerned with there own.
having worked for many very wealthy clients over the years, its a different world, and unless you are exposed to that lifestyle its hard to really appreciate how the wealthy live, and privalaged children from wealthy families just live in a different world.
Its easy to see it all on tv, rich families doing this that and the other but its not even close to reality, its worse in real life.
Money goes to money and joe soap just gets hammered in the process.
Still, everyone has there own viewpoint and always will do.

 

[nothingness]

Money goes to money and joe soap just gets hammered in the process.
Still, everyone has there own viewpoint and always will do.

This is exactly how it is, was, and always has been... the system itself is screwed and the winning move you can make is to not play. I totally agree the Tories and ruining the country, but I feel it's fair to point out that Labour did too, because so many believe that Labour are the good guys or to quote their slogan "for the many, not the few', when in fact Tony Blair was blatently out for the few.

Thanks for replying in a way that's not full of veiled insults based from assumptions like the other poster.

 

[Dubjam]

This is exactly how it is, was, and always has been... the system itself is screwed and the winning move you can make is to not play. I totally agree the Tories and ruining the country, but I feel it's fair to point out that Labour did too, because so many believe that Labour are the good guys or to quote their slogan "for the many, not the few', when in fact Tony Blair was blatently out for the few.

Thanks for replying in a way that's not full of veiled insults based from assumptions like the other poster.

Currently there's a war in a Ukraine yet they allowed all the women to leave the country... and the single ones are all partying in neighbouring countries

The irony of using the word 'assumptions'..

 

[nothingness]

That's not an assumption. I know this because a friend lives in Poland and another in Prague confirmed it.
But I do find it amusing that you're so triggered in your need to be houlier than thou that you're now searching through my post history to find ammunition despite me stopping replying to your posts.

 

[Dubjam]

That's not an assumption. I know this because a friend lives in Poland and another in Prague confirmed it.
But I do find it amusing that you're so triggered in your need to be houlier than thou that you're now searching through my post history to find ammunition despite me stopping replying to your posts.

I presume you mean holier than houlier? I can't see that you have stopped replying to my posts as you've literally just replied to my post?

Your friend is a bit of an oracle, apparently you and your friend know that the single ones 'are all' partying. That's a lot of people, and a whole lot of assumption, possibly bordering on prejudice.

Your post history on a thread is context, therefore liable to be used in debate when you make outlandish statements. If you cannot cope with your sweeping generalisations being repeated back to you, then it's best not to post them, or at least provide some citations to support them rather than using the 'butthurt' card (again).

To avoid cyclic repetition, it's best that we both move on from this now unless you have anything concrete to add for the art of debate.

 

[nothingness]

Every time you reply to me you just come across as a nob. Now correcting my spelling...wow it must be so amazing being you, always right about everything and so morally superior. Honestly my only surprise so far is that you haven't banned me, given the left's love of somehow censoring people yet insulting them at the same time. You are free to do that too if it makes you feel even more superior.

No butthurt card here, you keep gaslighting me with victimhood, it's a forum, not a boxing ring, though in my experience people like you are too scared to step into the latter which is why you dwell on forums going through post histories and correcting typos to make you look intelligent.
When you give weak people power...

 

[Dubjam]

Every time you reply to me you just come across as a nob. Now correcting my spelling...wow it must be so amazing being you, always right about everything and so morally superior. Honestly my only surprise so far is that you haven't banned me, given the left's love of somehow censoring people yet insulting them at the same time. You are free to do that too if it makes you feel even more superior.

No butthurt card here, you keep gaslighting me with victimhood, it's a forum, not a boxing ring, though in my experience people like you are too scared to step into the latter which is why you dwell on forums going through post histories and correcting typos to make you look intelligent.

A debate is often lost when you a poster begins to direct personalised abuse such as calling someone a 'nob'.

Ah, the 'free speech' censorship thing - Trump uses that line a lot while people abuse homosexual/people of colour/disabled etc under the very same banner.

I generally don't ban people unless they step over the forums AUP, which you have done now with this post, after I already stated we should both leave it, I had no intention to tbh as political threads will often get heated, but if that's your wish let me know.

(Yes, I hate fighting but not so much out of fear, fyi - 2nd Degree Black Belt, Wado Ryu Karate)

 

[nothingness]

Ok. Make it permanent please.

 

[Dubjam]

Ok. Make it permanent please.

Sure, as you wish.

 

[Alistair D]

bravo guys, I've really enjoyed this to and fro. Way above my intellect though, but the way it got personal was brilliant
Good read to relieve the boredom of a nightshift.

 

[45bvtc]

I'll NOT ever, ever, ever vote again!!! And will argue my point not to vote for anyone at every juncture! Heaven help them bu88er5 who knock on my door!

Me, at 77-years of age, I may not have further opportunity, I'll grant you that! But whatever persuasion I am presented with I will challenge, believe me!

Generally it all turns out pure b0ll0ocks anyway. A politician is politician and care only for themselves; fat salary and expenses and pension and if Ar5e lick long/deep enough would get an Ar5e lick comfi-seat in the 'Lords' - home of of collective previous Ar5e licker5: and then free lunches everyday - that we pay for - for life! I used to be able (age 10) to suck me toes but can no longer do that.....

Why would anyone vote for these Ar5e lickers?

Guy Fawkes, remember: the only man who ever entered parliament with TRUE intent i.e., blow the 8a5taRd5 UP!

Where did he go wrong? He let others know! And they told someone else! All in the Ar5e lick club!

POT HOLES: Our roads are riddled with 'em, let's bury local/national politicians in 'em: next time they knock on yer door; give 'em POT HOLE ABUSE! It'll not work of course, for sure it'll be someone else's responsibility! But for sure not the Ar5e lickers?

 

[Dubjam]

I'll NOT ever, ever, ever vote again!!! And will argue my point not to vote fir anyone at every juncture!

Me, at 77-years of age, I may not have further opportunity, I'll grant you that, but whatever persuasion I am presented with I will challenge, believe me! Generally it all turns out pure b0ll0ocks anyway. A politician is politician and care only for themselves; fat salary and expences and pension and if Ar5e lick long/deep enough would get a comfi-seat in the 'Lords' - home of of collective previous Ar5e licker5: and then free lunches everyday - that we pay for - for life!

Why would anyone vote for that!?

Guy Fawkes, remember: the only man who ever entered parliament with TRUE intent i.e., blow the ******** UP!

Where did he go wrong?

POT HOLES: Our roads are riddled with 'em, let's bury local/national politicians in 'em: next tine they jnock on yer door; give 'en POT HOLE ABUSE! It'll not work of course, for sure it'll be someone else's responsibility!

You give a good example of why I feel we need huge changes in society, personally I don't really want to get 77 and be in my latter days having so much anger and resentment.

Sadly though, voting is the only way to achieve that in our current construct, unless you have other ideas? I wouldnt rule out an all on civil war against the wealthy and the rulers

 

[45bvtc]

You give a good example of why I feel we need huge changes in society, personally I don't really want to get 77 and be in my latter days having so much anger and resentment.

Sadly though, voting is the only way to achieve that in our current construct, unless you have other ideas? I wouldnt rule out an all on civil war against the wealthy and the rulers

At 41-years of age I felt the same as you! Honest!

At 77-years of age I acknowledge the futility of it all!

But go for it why don't you, good luck! Practice holding yer breath, too; you'll have more success for sure!

 

[Dubjam]

At 41-years of age I felt the same as you! Honest!

At 77-years of age I acknowledge the futility of it all!

But go for it why don't you, good luck! Practice holding yer breath, too; you'll have more success for sure!

I can totally understand, and I can imagine it will probably all be same if I make it to my seventies too sadly!

I guess my focus isn't really about making a change in parliament other than ensuring I vote tactically for the best possible outcome (which isn't always the most desireable), I try to do what I can in helping others, at least that way my anger fuelled energy at the system is directed into something productive, no matter how minimal it might seem in the grand scheme of things. Could just be an illusion to keep me relatively calm at all the ******** and gain some self worth, but hey, something is better than nothing right?

 

[45bvtc]

I can totally understand, and I can imagine it will probably all be same if I make it to my seventies too sadly!

I guess my focus isn't really about making a change in parliament other than ensuring I vote tactically for the best possible outcome (which isn't always the most desireable), I try to do what I can in helping others, at least that way my anger fuelled energy at the system is directed into something productive, no matter how minimal it might seem in the grand scheme of things. Could just be an illusion to keep me relatively calm at all the ******** and gain some self worth, but hey, something is better than nothing right?

77-years of age ain't so bad when you've an AUDI RS3, TT and SQ5 to play with! Just saying...

Just affords the experience and helps one challenge more
​

 

[45bvtc]

I can totally understand, and I can imagine it will probably all be same if I make it to my seventies too sadly!

I guess my focus isn't really about making a change in parliament other than ensuring I vote tactically for the best possible outcome (which isn't always the most desireable), I try to do what I can in helping others, at least that way my anger fuelled energy at the system is directed into something productive, no matter how minimal it might seem in the grand scheme of things. Could just be an illusion to keep me relatively calm at all the ******** and gain some self worth, but hey, something is better than nothing right?

Wish I were 41-years of age again trying to support our country, Dubjam: but since the age I've 41 I've worked in oh so many countries that we, the UK taxpayer financially support (like China, today, really!! lol), and find their infrastructure soooo much better than ours I wonder why we continue to support them and not US!

And then look at out political/civil service - gimme a title/ soft lordy seat - and understand why!

It'll not change in my lifetime, nor yours!

Support Guy Fawkes: the only man who ever entered parliament with TRUE intent i.e., blow the 8a5taRd5 UP!

 

[45bvtc]

OUR youngest MP: check to out Dubjam, 18-years younger than you, lol.

Nadia Whittome, Britain’s youngest MP, on race, Rees-Mogg – and taking a massive pay cut

The 23-year-old Labour member for Nottingham East still lives at home – and, despite the steep learning curve, she is determined to shake up parliament

www.theguardian.com

The 23-year-old member for Nottingham East still lives at home – and is determined to shake up parliament

 

[Dubjam]

I think I gave up on these people helping people directly a long while ago, I just choose the best option in parliament for basic frame-work and work up from there. Relying on 'them' to achieve anything anymore is pretty futile imo.

It's now down to us as individuals to make the changes to ensure people can have the best lives possible. This may be some charity time, or helping a food bank get funding which I;ve just spent the last three months doing. Taking all those skills I gained in marketing and utilising them to do some good.

To be honest, while she may only be 23 and still live at home, this may give her the energy to see what is going on in society without being jaded or downtrodden by it affecting her...and lets face it, with the severe housing crisis, still being at home at 23 is now not even a serious concern, its pretty damn common, so realistically, she is affected by such a serious issue facing her generation.

As an analogy, Bruce Springsteen never worked a normal job in his life, yet wrote and told the stories of the people that did, and those stories got told to many others, and he became a voice iof the working man which would never have been if he had been a working man.

Takes allsorts I guess.

 

[45bvtc]

I think I gave up on these people helping people directly a long while ago, I just choose the best option in parliament for basic frame-work and work up from there. Relying on 'them' to achieve anything anymore is pretty futile imo.

It's now down to us as individuals to make the changes to ensure people can have the best lives possible. This may be some charity time, or helping a food bank get funding which I;ve just spent the last three months doing. Taking all those skills I gained in marketing and utilising them to do some good.

To be honest, while she may only be 23 and still live at home, this may give her the energy to see what is going on in society without being jaded or downtrodden by it affecting her...and lets face it, with the severe housing crisis, still being at home at 23 is now not even a serious concern, its pretty damn common, so realistically, she is affected by such a serious issue facing her generation.

As an analogy, Bruce Springsteen never worked a normal job in his life, yet wrote and told the stories of the people that did, and those stories got told to many others, and he became a voice iof the working man which would never have been if he had been a working man.

Takes allsorts I guess.

Good luck on this!
Couple of years back, giving a similar young person chapter and verse on the state of Staffordshire roads (today listed as worst in the country) I began to realize his eyes had 'glazed!' Then I asked, "do you drive?" "No!" came the answer. Door shutting slowly came the noise/action!

Of course that's why the Americans dropped two different atomic bombs on Japan back in 1945, they were not sure if either would work so dropped both types just to check! OK, before your time maybe, but not mine! I was 4-months old and do not remember the 'bang,' fortunately. However, having worked in both Nagasaki and Hiroshima since, well, it's an experience you'll not forget! Crazy world. Happily closer to the OUT! slot!

PS:I like Springsteen and for sure he's singing of 23-year old experiences moderated by a few more years.

But fun over, gotta go hoover! Subject being "

This fair country of ours is in a right old mess, things need to change.​

Not the rest of the World, I'll happily leave that to others, I just don't want to be here, sooner rather than later....