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The value of Quattro?

S32B Oct 6, 2019

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Which would you go for?

  1. Save the £27pm and get the 35 TFSI it does the job.

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  2. Get the bigger engine and quattro it's worth the extra £27pm.

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  1. S32B

    S32B Well-Known Member Audi A5 S tronic Coupe

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    A mate has just phoned me, he's been into Audi with his wife and kids looking at the Q2, he said he asked for a quote on the Q2 S-line s-tronic 35 TFSI, his quote after discount and deposit came back at £354 per month x 36 months. However, he said the sales guy also gave him a second quote for a Q2 S-line s-tronic 40 TFSI quattro, his quote for that came in at £381 per month x 36 months using the same deposit etc.

    Straight away I said get the bigger engine and quattro for the extra £27 pm it's well worth it, he's trying to convince his wife the same but she's not having any of it!!!!

    I said I'll ask/poll on here to see what the majority would go with :)

    (Think we know the answer!)
     
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  3. RS03_SEN

    RS03_SEN Active Member

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    Tell her not to bother with Quattro then mention this when it's snowing.

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  4. tigerhonaker

    tigerhonaker Active Member

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    OP,

    This is an easy one to reply to.

    Of course get the better one if your spending monies go for the bigger one for the little difference in the monthly note/payment.

    When we (Wife & I) decided I was going to get the new RS-3.
    She immediately said to me, Terry order it but make sure you order it exactly as you want it.
    Don't overthink the cost as you will be SORRY if you do.
    Well I did exactly what she (Wife) said and suggested and as usual she was right.
    I love the new RS-3 and it is a Loaded-Up Model !!!

    Terry USA
     
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  5. Kuku

    Kuku Active Member

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    Quattro
     
  6. Ormesome

    Ormesome Well-Known Member S-line owners group TDi quattro Quantum Grey S tronic Q2 owners group

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    Tell him/her the value of Quattro but don’t forget to add that it’s all about the tires! Quattro will not help in the snow with summer tires! Let’s get this fact straight!

    Anyway, I have the 190bhp diesel Quattro Q2. Personally I don’t think Quattro does much in the UK, average driving then it won’t give much more than the normal front wheel drive. In the times that you need it then it’s great, but it does use/take away around 5mpg to the consumption figures and boot space.

    Personally I think it’s about the engine choice and not Quattro.

    Biggest advice I can also give with the Q2 is to spec it up! It’s a dire place to be when without VC or ambient lighting etc...
     
  7. AlS3BE

    AlS3BE Well-Known Member

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    Get fwd and get a decent set of winters.
    I’ve had both the Haldex and the torsion Quattros and to be honest in normal day to day driving you won’t notice much.
    Only time it comes into play with heavy snow like beast from the east last year but then it was a combination of winters and Quattro. No chance the summers would have got me anywhere in the heavy snow.
     
  8. Adam14

    Adam14 Well-Known Member Team Glacier Team V6 Audi S5 Coupe

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    The quattro is more than just snow, in just general poor conditions such as rain or mud, I darent think how a FWD/RWD car would struggle.
    Just the other week I was driving with work colleagues back to the house we were staying at, I felt confident going round bends with the quattro, still slower than if it was dry.

    However my mate in a 150p RWD 2 series coupe was really struggling, feathering the throttle too much and the traction lights were coming on. He said was a very scary 10 minute drive.

    Get the quattro but know it doesn't make the car invincible but certainly helps!

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  9. Jcbmally

    Jcbmally Started with nothing & still have most of it left. X3 M-Sport Glacier Silver

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    Tell your mate its always easier to ask for forgiveness rather than permission, ALWAYS get the bigger motor.
     
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  10. Flying Scotsman

    Flying Scotsman Well-Known Member Team Ara Blue Audi S3 saloon

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    Quaro offers better traction in all weathers with the correct type of tyre for the seasons......27 quid is barely half a tank of fuel, therefore a no brainer and a larger engine thrown in.
     
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  11. jassyo06

    jassyo06 Voodoo Man ! S3 Saloon Audi S3 Black Edition Porsche Voodoo Blue

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    Tell yer mate to grow a set....and if ye where a real mate.... you'd be telling him not buy a Q2 of any sort
     
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  13. S32B

    S32B Well-Known Member Audi A5 S tronic Coupe

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    Yep, I mentioned about the amount of times I've spun the fronts in the wet in the A5 just pulling away from the lights or a junction, probably why I'm down to 3mm of tread in 6,000 mile!

    I had a 4x4 suv for 2 winters and then the quattro S3 for another 2 winters...not a single snowflake! A month after I collected the front wheel drive A5 = deep snow :blink:

    Cheers guys they are both watching this thread now :)
     
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  14. S32B

    S32B Well-Known Member Audi A5 S tronic Coupe

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    Why? I think the Q2 looks OK.
     
  15. Ormesome

    Ormesome Well-Known Member S-line owners group TDi quattro Quantum Grey S tronic Q2 owners group

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    Here we go! Always one! Each to their own..... You're driving an Audi styled on a 1990s Ford Focus saloon. Not everyone goes on about that!!! But i guess we should make exceptions for you.... as most seem to....
     
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  16. jassyo06

    jassyo06 Voodoo Man ! S3 Saloon Audi S3 Black Edition Porsche Voodoo Blue

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    l am very comfortable in my S3 Saloon Skin .........Enough said
     
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  17. jassyo06

    jassyo06 Voodoo Man ! S3 Saloon Audi S3 Black Edition Porsche Voodoo Blue

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    Cool....
     
  18. Pinky1959

    Pinky1959 Well-Known Member

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    Tell your friend to go back to garage and negotiate a discount and get QUATTRO .
     
  19. TYb

    TYb Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group Team Navarra Audi S3

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    Q2 and A1 has to be the worst looking in the range, they look awful in the lower specs.
     
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  20. JohnM100

    JohnM100 Well-Known Member Gold Supporter VCDS Map User Team Navarra Audi S3 Black Edition

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    For this post FWD = front wheel drive, not 4WD.

    Summary version: all else being equal (apart from cost) go quattro if budget allows - rationale below.

    The difference in monthly cost isn’t huge and Q2 40 S-Line Quattro likely to have higher GFV than the 35 FWD. Is there a difference in balloon payment or is the intent to swap at the end of the PCP (ie deposit for next car)?

    Fuel costs will be a little higher as per previous posts and probably insurance too, so impact on total monthlies needs to be manageable.

    Also depends how the car will be driven. That said: the 8V I have now is my first Quattro after over 30 years of front wheel drive, including a previous A3 8V. Quattro has more stability and *less drama* accelerating in the wet (who hasn’t had the wheel spin or bounce at traffic lights or pulling out of a junction or a bend in the wet and an associated clench moment?). Personally I will now struggle to go back to 2WD until I reach the point that I just pootle along the road.

    Quattro will only provide limited help in winter snow or winter wet on summer tyres. If that’s the concern and budget is tight then FWD 35 & cross climate tyres.

    *If budget allows, quattro and cross climate tyres are probably the best blend of ‘do everything anytime’ without breaking the bank.*

    Given the small cost difference in monthlies, there isn’t really value in 35 FWD but with an added separate set of winter tyres.

    *caveat for the keyboard critics - some feel that cross climate / winter tyres unnecessary and that’s your choice - having lived without them including many Scottish winters, I have discovered winter tyres and feel they help
     
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  21. RS03_SEN

    RS03_SEN Active Member

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    If I wasn't buying something that I was going to be putting my foot down in, I wouldn't be bothered about Quattro. I've survived from 17 years old until 37 with just front wheel drive.
    I wouldn't like to drive an RS3 without Quattro though!

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  22. Damo S

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    I would never bother having a FWD car with over 200bhp in this country, especially a deisel with all that torque. Complete and utter waste of time having that amount of grunt unless its bone dry. I've driven the 190ps A5 and it was rubbish in the wet, with the traction control light being on a lot of the time in the lower gears under power.
    My old remapped focus diesel (about 165bhp / 320lbs foot) would spin the front wheels up even in 4th gear in the wet if it was pointing anything off straight.

    If its not going to be driven hard enough to spin the wheels then you may as well just get the 1.6 version and enjoy the economy.
     
  23. Flying Scotsman

    Flying Scotsman Well-Known Member Team Ara Blue Audi S3 saloon

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    I have never had any woman or wife, tell me what car I should buy. I do look at sensibilities for all concerned and their opinions but the final decision will be mine. The lady of the house can do her thing with interior decorations etc. and I can offer an opinion but the final decision will be hers........sexist maybe, not PC etc. maybe, but I can live in my skin not someone else's.
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2019
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  24. S32B

    S32B Well-Known Member Audi A5 S tronic Coupe

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    Cheers guys, he's not short of a few bob so fuel and extra insurance isn't even a consideration, he's got her thinking about the 'safety' of the quattro in the winter when she's driving it with the kids ;) Now that she's on the quattro band wagon, he's now said f-it and is looking at the SQ2! but he said if he got that he'd sell his R1 :D
     
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  26. AlS3BE

    AlS3BE Well-Known Member

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    Well that changed quickly. 150 odd bhp to 200 odd now 300.
    If it’s something to haul the family about why not get something a bit bigger. Q3 prices isn’t far off q2 when I looked not that long ago. Ended up getting the evoque as it was similarly priced and at least in my opinion was the better looker.
     
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    AlS3BE Well-Known Member

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    Flying Scotsman Well-Known Member Team Ara Blue Audi S3 saloon

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  29. AlS3BE

    AlS3BE Well-Known Member

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    thought they both have the Haldex 4wd.
     
  30. Sandra

    Sandra Administrator Staff Member Administrator TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group Audi S3 quattro Platinum Supporter S tronic Audi Main Dealer

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    Go quattro
     
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  31. Pinky1959

    Pinky1959 Well-Known Member

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    There is also a T roc R available to order now but a bit more expensive I would think.
     
  32. Bells

    Bells Well-Known Member Team Ara Blue Team Daytona Team V6 Audi S3 Audi S5

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    3mm of tread in 6000 miles wow, my S5 is on its original set at 14.5k and has 4mm left :tearsofjoy:
     
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  34. S32B

    S32B Well-Known Member Audi A5 S tronic Coupe

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    Yep I sold the S3 with tread left after 17,000 mile!

    Audi's answer when I asked them "Big heavy car doing a lot of stop/start journeys, as well as being front wheel drive = eats the tyres!"
     
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  35. PaulWhitt82

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    agree with Ormesome first post

    for me its spec over engine - quattro on lower audi in haldex is massively overrated having owned one

    also the 35 is a very good engine and very good on fuel - i would stick with the 35 and add the options that make the car premium

    also does the 40 engine take you over the 40k threshold (not sure it does but that would also be a factor)
     
  36. PaulWhitt82

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    also people think 200PS needs fake 4wd, i really question there ability to drive

    as stated a FWD with a set of winters would eat a 4wd haldex with summer tyres in terms of capability - its classic marketing telling people how they need 4wd on a 200PS petrol car that probably spends most of its time on school runs and most off roading is pavement parking whilst dropping the kids off

    also why add over 100kg in weight for function of 4wd that you will barely use
     
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  37. wab172uk

    wab172uk Well-Known Member

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    But then you can stick a set of winter tyres on a Quattro car, and it'll be mighty in he snow.

    I personally think AWD is always a better option for the UK. It rains a lot here, and from November to March the roads are greasy and damp. But ......

    It just depends how you drive. If you pootle about and mainly drive to work and back on congested roads, AWD is pointless. As you never get to use it. You're just dragging extra weight around with you.

    But something like an S3, AWD is essential, as you're putting 300bhp down. While some FWD cars have 300bhp, during the winter months, making any quick accelerations in the lower gears will bring on wheelspin. AWD eliminates that, which means you can boot it out of junctions to make a gap, and not having the car behind brake to avoid you. FWD, you can't do that.

    I've currently got my late dad's Tuscon AWD. It's got 185 bhp, and TBN if it was FWD, it wouldn't make a difference. It really doesn't need AWD. I might change my mind when the snow comes (if it comes) but really, it doesn't need it. Now a Q3-RS? Now that deffo needs it. So each car is different, as they are aimed at different drivers, and different driving styles. You'd never drive a Tuscon, like you would a Q3-RS.
     
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  38. Jcbmally

    Jcbmally Started with nothing & still have most of it left. X3 M-Sport Glacier Silver

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    :thumbs up::thumbs up:
     
  39. George_P

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    This morning, and in this weather, had a little race with 140i bmw and was very pleased with the performance of the quattro system as the bmw is probably still spinning its wheels while I'm writing this post

    The roads in the UK are wet and moist probably 75% of the year and without spending around £600 on a set of winter tyres I would pay extra £27pm for a quattro car.
     
  40. eribaMotters

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    Wouldn't life be easier if Audi, in fact all manufacturers let us spec "all seasons" tyres when we ordered a car. This would be the first option box I would tick every time.

    Colin
     
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  41. wab172uk

    wab172uk Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't. But it just depends how you drive. For anything spirited, I want sticky summer tyres on.

    If you just pootle about then I suppose all weather tyres make sense, as you never need the extra performance a good summer tyre will give you.

    But last winter I cannot actually remember having any snow. So summer tyres were fine all year round.
     
  42. Zakalwe

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    Being an owner of an M240i I can tell you that the car (which has an all-time great engine) is an absolute monster when it's bone dry and the MPSS are 30 degrees or more. So basically on about 20 days a year. For the other 345 days of the year, you drive it in comfort mode or at most sport (i.e. with all stability controls on) because if you don't then this can happen:



    I love my car but there's a reason BMW are rolling out X-Drive onto more of their cars. The point about winter tyres is reasonable, but most normal people are simply not going to bother changing their wheels twice a year, particularly because at a guess half the people who own a car are unfamiliar with the whole concept.

    As an aside, the wife was recently testing the 40tdi engine in an FWD A6 recently (204PS, admittedly more torque than an equivalent petrol) in the dry and she noticeably spun the wheels a couple of times whilst pulling out at roundabouts and the wife has got a gravity-defying right foot.
     
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  43. Teejay

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    half a tank of fuel every month for 3 years... £1000.
     

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