The new Audi RS 5 Coupé: Nothing to Prove

RAF_S7

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Perception is all as they say.

V8 dropping to V6 is not a perception its reality. And while it may be a powerful engine it will be seen by many as a downgrade, with everything to prove.
 

Joetidman

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I must say, I'm just not sure it's worth the extra wedge. Clearly a very impressive piece of kit, but you can easily spec it to £90k and I just can't see it worth the £40k premium over at S5 imo


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R.A.G

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I think it's got an aweful a lot to prove lol.

Downsizing is never popular but we'll all get over that, the performance and efficiency gains are hard to argue and it's just the way things are going with all modern performance cars.

What I can't get over is the cost differential, even comparing an absolute base spec S5 with a base RS5, how on earth can Audi justify the £15k difference, bearing in mind you get nothing over and above the S5 apart from an additional turbo and the additional performance. An ABT upgrade gives you almost the same on an S5 for under £2k.
 

RAF_S7

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I think it's got an aweful a lot to prove lol.

Downsizing is never popular but we'll all get over that, the performance and efficiency gains are hard to argue and it's just the way things are going with all modern performance cars.

What I can't get over is the cost differential, even comparing an absolute base spec S5 with a base RS5, how on earth can Audi justify the £15k difference, bearing in mind you get nothing over and above the S5 apart from an additional turbo and the additional performance. An ABT upgrade gives you almost the same on an S5 for under £2k.

The difference will be in the drivetrain. The price difference between the S7 and the RS7 is almost £20k, with the majority of that cost absorbed into what may physically appear to be a similar engine (4.0 Twin turbo) but in fact is almost a completely different engine internally, built to much higher specification.

The challenge will be those who purchase the S5, looking immeadiately to the 3rd party tuners to push the engine closer to RS performance by way of an ECU tune :racer:
 

Thundercliffe81

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Woeful.

Everything about that advert is the opposite of RS. Their interiors have always been best in class. So, they can hardly fall back on that as an 'amazing' strength. I've heard the words and the rhetoric but now I've seen this, it's official. It's a concerted effort to re-brand the badge and line. Which is failure in my books haha. Audi threw in the towel.

You take the RS6 for example. Bonkers, unbelievable performance, presence, sound, character and practicality. The complete package. So...why not with the RS5? Within its class obviously. V8 is king haha. Anyway, expect to see an RS5 performance with 500bhp and lots more fiddly Carbon parts from Audi Sport. Maybe with a real exhaust. For an extra £10-15k Everything to prove.


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R.A.G

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The difference will be in the drivetrain. The price difference between the S7 and the RS7 is almost £20k, with the majority of that cost absorbed into what may physically appear to be a similar engine (4.0 Twin turbo) but in fact is almost a completely different engine internally, built to much higher specification.

The challenge will be those who purchase the S5, looking immeadiately to the 3rd party tuners to push the engine closer to RS performance by way of an ECU tune :racer:
Yeah fair point, I think I'm simply arguing what most people reading this already get, S cars are the thinking mans RS lol!
 

RAF_S7

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Yeah fair point, I think I'm simply arguing what most people reading this already get, S cars are the thinking mans RS lol!

Or the poorer mans RS....
I would have gone RS7 if l could have afforded it. So far I'm not tuned :racer:
 

Thundercliffe81

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Well I did say "prove it"


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Thundercliffe81

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Ummmmm. I do see what they're doing. Honestly, I do. Choose your battles and all that. Just seems like they're a little 'sore' about it all. I wasn't even too fussed it had lost the V8. Things move on. But, it's just the sheer lack of emotion/character/exhaust.

BUT, it looks absolutely breath taking. I'm a big fan of the aesthetics. This Daytona grey and black pack I'm watching looks superb.


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Fan bois only need apply. Worth 60k specced up not 90k. At least in previous gens they made some big mechanical and visual changes.

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Thundercliffe81

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Clarkson likes it a lot in today's Times.
Must admit its growing on me, even those terrible wheels.

I think it will be better in RS4 guise. The package is growing on me but still has that big lag/hesitation as the S models. Just doesn't seem 'focussed' enough. Ya know? The S5 is the all rounder. The RS5 shouldn't be playing towards that too. Be good to see someone booting one in real life.


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Joetidman

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I think it will be better in RS4 guise. The package is growing on me but still has that big lag/hesitation as the S models. Just doesn't seem 'focussed' enough. Ya know? The S5 is the all rounder. The RS5 shouldn't be playing towards that too. Be good to see someone booting one in real life.


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That's my point exactly. I know my S5 is a compromise....in fact that's why I bought it. I want luxury GT most of the time and somewhat noisy sports car every now and then. I just think the RS5 should be slightly scary, edgy, highly strung, loud, super Saloon/coupe and I just don't think it is. Watching the videos etc, it has the same compromises the S5 does (lag, lazy gearbox in comfort, slightly dull steering etc) it just has more power and some carbon bits stuck on. If I had the money I just think I'd go elsewhere, probably a Jag F-type, or C63 S.


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Thundercliffe81

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That's my point exactly. I know my S5 is a compromise....in fact that's why I bought it. I want luxury GT most of the time and somewhat noisy sports car every now and then. I just think the RS5 should be slightly scary, edgy, highly strung, loud, super Saloon/coupe and I just don't think it is. Watching the videos etc, it has the same compromises the S5 does (lag, lazy gearbox in comfort, slightly dull steering etc) it just has more power and some carbon bits stuck on. If I had the money, I just think I'd go elsewhere with the money, probably a Jag F-type, or C63 S.


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This is the most concise, accurate description of the new RS5 I've read yet


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Thundercliffe81

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If you're gonna spend 90k for a spec'd up RS5 why not just go the extra hog and get an RS7...

RS7 Performance even. I think the C7 platform (RS6 chassis) is the best of both worlds from Audi. Just enough modern tech and solid grunt!


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RS7 Performance even. I think the C7 platform (RS6 chassis) is the best of both worlds from Audi. Just enough modern tech and solid grunt!


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Too big. Only fun on motorways or at jail time speeds. Amazing bit of kit, love my C7 daily but it aint ever going to be a sunday morning car.

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Thundercliffe81

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Too big. Only fun on motorways or at jail time speeds. Amazing bit of kit, love my C7 daily but it aint ever going to be a sunday morning car.

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I dunno man. The A6 does look and feel huge. But the RS6 just seems to hide it so so well. I've properly had my pants down by one before. Roundabouts and sharp turns. Left me. Not even kidding. I've ruined R8s before on back roads in my S4 but this thing was like nothing I've ever seen on the road.

Every review says it just masks its size. Anyway. Think the RS5 would have it now on the back roads but RS6 w/Miltek wins every day.

Edit: R8 drivers must have had manual and terrible drivers

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I dunno man. The A6 does look and feel huge. But the RS6 just seems to hide it so so well. I've properly had my pants down by one before. Roundabouts and sharp turns. Left me. Not even kidding. I've ruined R8s before on back roads in my S4 but this thing was like nothing I've ever seen on the road.

Every review says it just masks its size. Anyway. Think the RS5 would have it now on the back roads but RS6 w/Miltek wins every day.


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It's what i was after originally. Waaaay too big and heavy after trying one for 3 days. The sound is only good on the overrun too.

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Thundercliffe81

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It's what i was after originally. Waaaay too big and heavy after trying one for 3 days. The sound is only good on the overrun too.

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I must be seeing/watching the wrong RS6 3 years time I'm getting one. You got a loaner for 3 days??


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I must be seeing/watching the wrong RS6 3 years time I'm getting one. You got a loaner for 3 days??


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Mate they can go quick around bends but it's hard work. There are so many times on motorways i wish i was in an RS6 but never on a nice road. Yea demo before i got the 4

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Thundercliffe81

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Mate they can go quick around bends but it's hard work. There are so many times on motorways i wish i was in an RS6 but never on a nice road. Yea demo before i got the 4

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Long term test drives are hard to get in my experience. That's awesome. Was it used? I think weight is obviously a big issue. Perhaps I'm just in a phase of wanting more of an experience and sense of occasion than nimble performance.

The S4 is really nimble actually. S5 probably more so.


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Long term test drives are hard to get in my experience. That's awesome. Was it used? I think weight is obviously a big issue. Perhaps I'm just in a phase of wanting more of an experience and sense of occasion than nimble performance.

The S4 is really nimble actually. S5 probably more so.


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Brand new via arval. The 4 was more fun than the 6 other than on motorways. Engine was so much better.

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Thundercliffe81

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Brand new via arval. The 4 was more fun than the 6 other than on motorways. Engine was so much better.

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Well exactly. Got 3 years of joy to be had with a 4 from March hopefully! I do like the alcantera on the RS5. Although, it's not actually an option on the mobile configurator.


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Well exactly. Got 3 years of joy to be had with a 4 from March hopefully! I do like the alcantera on the RS5. Although, it's not actually an option on the mobile configurator.


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Yea its nice but the rs5 needs to be discounted by anyone with a brain based on price unfortunately. 90k is 1 year old r8 v10 or 911 turbo money

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Thundercliffe81

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Yea its nice but the rs5 needs to be discounted by anyone with a brain based on price unfortunately. 90k is 1 year old r8 v10 or 911 turbo money

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Mind boggling really. RS3 sounds better with same performance. Haha. I won't know anybody that will buy a 5 but that's just because we're not all capable in my circle. But I'd like to meet someone that does and hear how they feel about it.


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Thundercliffe81

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Rs3 is a great motor but id have the ttrs. Dream audi garage is ttrs, r8 and s8

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Ugh. S8 just tops that right off! RS6 performance, Overland Defender 110 and S8 plus for me. Going right off topic haha. Best I've seen yet is the Supercars of London video. As he just rags it. Anybody booked or had a test drive yet??


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Ugh. S8 just tops that right off! RS6 performance, Overland Defender 110 and S8 plus for me. Going right off topic haha. Best I've seen yet is the Supercars of London video. As he just rags it. Anybody booked or had a test drive yet??


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You may enjoy and oldie where he hoons around London with TGE in an RS7 :

 
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