The does it sound dead thread
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MICHAEL PARKER
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Won't be buying a Audi again for sure though, for a car that's got 20k on it and serviced every year I'm forever worrying about it, it's not enjoyable owning a car that you fear of breaking and the bills being through the roof
MICHAEL PARKER
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um , i have always had BMW's and never had any issues with any of them and i have had over 20 , i am loving my S3 so far as well tbh .
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sorry mate but i would be having that chain and tensioner looked at asap! mine sound exactly the same, when i stripped it down the tensioner had completely failed.
mine has full history and only 55,000 miles. i think theres a lot of cars out there suffering with the problem but people just try and put it down to direct injection.
mine has full history and only 55,000 miles. i think theres a lot of cars out there suffering with the problem but people just try and put it down to direct injection.
All cars have problems and modern direct injection turbo units are known for high oil usage and chain tensioner issues. BMW engines are not immune to it and neither are many others. Being car enthusiasts is a curse in many ways, because we know about these and stress about the risk. Most owners are oblivious to these and are enjoying their cars, oblivious to some of the problems that may be plaguing their ride.
A failing cam chain tensioner assembly or cam follower is a problem only because Audi, and many other manufacturers, decided not to accept that these parts should be serviceable and add them to the service schedules or at the very least make them easily serviceable. If I were to put my tin foil hat on, I'd say that this is all a way to build in planned failure into cars so they are replaced more often, but I doubt any manufacturer in their right mind would do this due to the risk to the brand...
Anyway, what I'm saying is that every car that was ever made has "known issues", where errors in design or other external factors are to blame for a particular thing breaking. Even cars that are perceived as the most reliable have nightmare stories associated with them, fact. Also consider how popular the 2.0tfsi lump is - vw group stuck these into every model they could and for every 1 engine failure, there are 5000 that are fine.
I'm sure that this thread was, in part, triggered by my build thread engine problem update. You are right in raising this as an issue with Audi, but I wouldn't say that they are more or less reliable than BMW. Both have major issues, you just have to look at relevant forums to see for yourself.
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A failing cam chain tensioner assembly or cam follower is a problem only because Audi, and many other manufacturers, decided not to accept that these parts should be serviceable and add them to the service schedules or at the very least make them easily serviceable. If I were to put my tin foil hat on, I'd say that this is all a way to build in planned failure into cars so they are replaced more often, but I doubt any manufacturer in their right mind would do this due to the risk to the brand...
Anyway, what I'm saying is that every car that was ever made has "known issues", where errors in design or other external factors are to blame for a particular thing breaking. Even cars that are perceived as the most reliable have nightmare stories associated with them, fact. Also consider how popular the 2.0tfsi lump is - vw group stuck these into every model they could and for every 1 engine failure, there are 5000 that are fine.
I'm sure that this thread was, in part, triggered by my build thread engine problem update. You are right in raising this as an issue with Audi, but I wouldn't say that they are more or less reliable than BMW. Both have major issues, you just have to look at relevant forums to see for yourself.
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Just a thought but the engine cover on my Golf rattles, even though it's a tdi it's much 'quieter' with it removed (so much for the sound deadening). Turns out 2 of the 4 round bushes/grommets which click onto the posts sticking up from the engine are worn. They just slide out of the cover and can be bought separately I understand.
A spacer jammed under them would probably cure the problem but they only cost a few quid so next time I'm passing a VW/seat/audi garage I'll get a couple, no rush though, I hardly ever drive that car
outsideline
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i have a bmw specialist and trust me, bmw are NOT with out there faults!!!
I have lost count of how many chain stretch / chain jump cases i have seen through out the e90 smaller engines and mini's.
The only thing i would say with bmw, the bigger the engine size, the better they seem to be for reliability. i have customers with 640i's that are well into 300,000 miles and have no intensions of changing there cars, honestly the biggest cause of engine problems / failures i see is down to customer neglect!! " oh it'll do another 10k before that service" errr yes it probably will but you pay for it long term. Heres what i tell my customers.
" Oil is cheap.... Engines are expensive "
I have lost count of how many chain stretch / chain jump cases i have seen through out the e90 smaller engines and mini's.
The only thing i would say with bmw, the bigger the engine size, the better they seem to be for reliability. i have customers with 640i's that are well into 300,000 miles and have no intensions of changing there cars, honestly the biggest cause of engine problems / failures i see is down to customer neglect!! " oh it'll do another 10k before that service" errr yes it probably will but you pay for it long term. Heres what i tell my customers.
" Oil is cheap.... Engines are expensive "
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It's had 4 oil changes and only covered 20k there is still a slightly rattle from back of engine however I'm unsure if it just the engine and I'm over thinking, I've had no warning lights or anything and my car barely uses any oil at all
outsideline
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chain stretch or tensiorer failure has zero impact on oil consumption. heavy oil useage is caused through 1 of 2 things, oil seal rings on the piston have worn, or valve stem oil seals leaking badly, more prone on classic cars. or i suppose a worn turbo but that gives different problems as well.
All of these have no bearing on your rattle on the engine, i think its just a case of this paticular component is badly made and they fail.
The cam chain and tensioner is on the nearside of the engine, just above the bell houseing. it sits behind an alloy cover.
All of these have no bearing on your rattle on the engine, i think its just a case of this paticular component is badly made and they fail.
The cam chain and tensioner is on the nearside of the engine, just above the bell houseing. it sits behind an alloy cover.
