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josul Jul 8, 2017

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    Said the man from BP
     
  4. RichardT

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    Very skewed figures I reckon.
    Where do the get the 5mpg better from supermarket juice! I find it hard to believe.

    Not saying that branded is not cleaner etc. But I don't buy the cheaper in the long run argument.

    Will be interested to hear members actual figures.

    Actually I usually buy BP or Shell because they are the only sources in my area (currently £1.18) we have no supermarket fuel to push down prices.
    But if I go into town I do fill up at Morrisons, Tesco or Sainsburys at a significant saving.
     
  5. Timi8888

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    Also you're quoting from ladbible which is maybe one of the worst sources online...
     
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  6. musicegbdf

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    I use Tesco momentum . Is it any better ? Can't say , but running I a high performance car , I feel it should always have the best fuel and oil , and momentum is 99 octane so hopefully burns better . I think momentum is fairly popular here
     
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  7. S32B

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    I used to be on V-Power, but changed a few months back when Costco opened a fuel station near me, they have 99 RON and I can't tell any difference! Apart from a full tank is about £6 cheaper.
     
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  8. josul

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    @Timi8888 That is why I looked for the source article, I know its not the best but it use to be very humorous. It fails at that most of the time nowadays too.

    @S32B I use Shell V-Power, have done from day one. Was thinking about giving the Costco stuff a try but its a little out the way where as I pass the Shell garage everyday. Is it ok to switch between fuels or is it best to stick to the same one?
     
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  9. voorhees

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    I used V-power on my S3 until one week they had supply problems so had to go Tesco and it made not one bit of difference on performance for me.
     
  10. TYb

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    I was running v power but at £1:35 a litre I was getting a bit fed up, have moved to Tesco momentum 99, I've not really noticed any difference to be honest. I don't drive the car on the edge that much so really hard to tell.i guess you could argue v power would be better for the engine on the long run.

    I'll stick the odd tank of v power in as the garage is nearer.
     
  11. S32B

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    When I went up NW of Scotland last year I was using whatever I could get, Tesco, Gleaner, BP (all high octane) all worked fine with no difference to the car. Luckily the Costco fuel station is only about 5 mins away from me and probably the closest now!
     
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  13. josul

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    Will give Costco a whirl next time I am there then, cheers!
     
  14. Tom.H

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    I've used Tesco for years, the R32 wasn't great however I drove it, S3 does over 30mpg quote easily/regularly plus I get clubcard points which are lot more useful than nectar points!
     
  15. TYb

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    I should get a club card, what kind of benefits do you get?
     
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  18. Boydie

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    In Northern Ireland we have limited choice of SUL - majority of BP garages have ultimate so this is what I normally go for followed closely by Sainsburys SUL which has not given me any bother in all my cars the last 6/7 years
     
  19. Timi8888

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    If you get a Tesco Credit card, you get 5 points for each £4 you spend on fuel. This equates to 20p if you swap for food vouchers (zizzis, pizza express, and a few other choices). Spend £40 on fuel and thats £2 back!
     
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    As Boydie said, limited choice here in Northern Ireland so I just stick with BP Ultimate. It's maybe about 10p a litre more expensive so I'm happy just to pay a little more for 97 RON over 95. My mate's wife has a Golf GTI and was only ever using supermarket fuel. He is a mechanic and had to drain everything out of it after it started running very badly and the amount of black stuff in the bottom of the tank and the mess in the filter was quite surprising.

    I'm not saying branded fuel is any better as I've no other frame of reference, merely an observation as he was doing this last week and showed me.
     
  21. will_0407

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    I've never noticed a difference in using supermarket fuel, used tesco and sainsburys diesel in my Leon (184 engine). I don't have a tesco or sainsburys that near me now, so usually get BP or Shell in my A3 (2014 1.8tfsi) but when I have used Tesco/Sainsburys in it, I've not seen any difference in figures.

    Just done a 300 mile round trip this weekend on standard Tesco fuel, had around 45 miles of town driving already done earlier this week, and I've just got back with a third of a tank left, trip says 47mpg average so likely to be around 45mpg real figures which is actually the best figures I've had since I bought it! Warm weather and 80% motorway cruising has also helped too but still, no difference that is noticeable.
     
  22. GSB

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    We've discussed this one to death many times. The ladsbible story above is absolute bull. The difference between supermarket fuel and branded fuel is....

    ...****** all.

    Ok, it's almost ****** all, but don't think you're getting anything that different from big brand names, since they all use the same base fuel, from the same tanks in the same refineries. There are only 6 refineries in the UK manufacturing petroleum distillate, and none of them are for the sole use of one brand. The brands take a tanker full of the same fuel everyone else gets and add a bucket of additive. Shell, Tesco, BP, Jet, Texaco.... they all have a set of additives whose exact formulation is, just like the colonels 11 herbs and spices, a closely guarded secret. These additives include octane boosters, detergents, water, and various stabilisers, but they amount to only a few parts per million in the finished product. The actual fuel is no different, and contains exactly the same amount of energy as everyone else's, and before anyone mentions something daft like Tesco getting BP's cast off low grade fuel that didn't muster, Tesco actually own a sizeable portion of one of the 6 refineries making the fuel, and supply the likes of texaco with it.

    The additives were, in years gone by, absolutely essential. Carburettor run engines of poor design and low tolerance needed all the chemical engineering help they could get, but these days the engines are built to such high levels of precision and run with such high levels of control that the only addetives really needed are the octane boosters that stop the fuel detonating before the engine wants it to. In this regard the supermarket fuels are as good as any other.
     
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  23. davc

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    The Oracle has spoken lol
     
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  24. GSB

    GSB Well-Known Member Gold Supporter

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    I prefer "full time guardian and regurgitator of mostly useless factoids." ;)
     
  25. richinsoton

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    The other thing to consider is how much your time is worth... I always go to Shell as there's one at either end of my commute & I very very rarely have to queue. Whereas my local supermarket station there's always long queues with the associated beeping of horns & then queueing again in the car to pay at the little individual kiosks etc. I probably pay £1.40p a tankful more but easily save 10 - 15 mins each time (without including the time driving to said supermarket). £72.80p saving annually vs 12hrs of my freetime not wasted queuing to me is an easy choice to make.
     
  26. GSB

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    Other way round for me, local BP is tiny, full of black cabs and is really slow. Local Tesco is huge, full of 99RON, and you can pay at pump.
     
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    This topic comes up from time to time. The most recent time I recall. one poster who was employed by Morrisons told us that their tankers fill up at the Esso depot or refinery (can't remember the term she used), supporting what GSB says above.

    Honestjohn gets asked about v-power etc regularly. Their response is that in the long term the more expensive fuels will keep your engine and injectors clean and will therefore pay for themselves. From my own experience, I've used Morrisons cooking petrol since one of their filling stations opened just round the corner from me in the early 2000s. The highest mileage I've completed in a car from new since then is 40,000 and I've never had a fuel-related problem in any of my cars in that time. When you see the queues at the popular supermarket filling stations, you'd think that if there were a real problem with supermarket fuel, it would have emerged before now.
     
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  28. Tom.H

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    I used Tesco for near on all of the 9 years I had the R32 and never had any issues either, economy wasn't brilliant but I suspect that was more to do with it being a 3.2 litre as opposed to the fuel lol

    Continue to use it now I have the S3.
     
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    A year or two ago I gave away a 1.6l Peugeot 106 that we bought new in 1997. It did over 100,000 miles in the 18 years we had it, and when I pulled the head off to fix an oil leak at 97,000 miles, the combustion chambers were immaculate. That car never had more than the most basic maintenance, ran on nothing but the cheapest supermarket unleaded, and was generally abused for its entire life. It still passed its annual emissions tests with flying colours, never failed to start, and idled far more smoothly than it had any right to. Same goes for the Clio I bought from a friend of mine. He bought it new, and was such a tightwad he even ran it on cheap ditchfinder tyres. It's still running fine after 98,000 supermarket fuelled miles. The only faults it has now are the ones it was designed with (which are both plentiful and highly imaginative in the way only French engineering can deliver).

    Supermarkets get their fair share of grief, like a recent spate of contaminated fuel due to leaky tanks, but these things can and do happen to any filling station. Big names can also shoot themselves in the foot, as with "Formula Shell" a few years ago. Meant to be Shells next big thing, it trashed many many engines, and cost a considerable amount of money before it was quietly withdrawn.
     
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  30. V6_Man

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    Peugeot engines are designed specifically for supermarket fuel so, no wonder why you found it immaculate. It would have been a different story had you used Premium fuel

    P.S. Pun intended

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  31. Flying Scotsman

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    On my travels in the UK last year, I normally filled up my rental car at brand fuel stations, as they are far more common. I did use Tesco where they were available, due to their low cost. The only negative observations I had were the long waits at Tesco and no pay at the pump which would definitely speed up the process.
    In Canada, supermarket fuel is not readily available and if it is, it is not much cheaper, as fuel here is about almost half the cost of what you pay in the UK.
    As an aside, I use Shell V Power which in the highest octane level has no ethanol added which in my mind is a good thing.

    The good and bad about ethanol
    Let’s start with the good news. Ethanol is a cleaner fuel than gasoline, and it helps reduce emissions when mixed with gasoline. Plus the plant products used to make ethanol absorb some carbon dioxide as they grow. Finally, ethanol is an energy-positive fuel, meaning that you get more energy out of it than was used to produce the fuel, if you don’t count growing the plants in the first place.

    On the downside, ethanol is less energy-dense than gasoline – meaning that there’s more energy in a gallon of gas than there is in a gallon of ethanol. In general, ethanol has about 33 percent less energy than gasoline. So, the more ethanol in the fuel, the worse the fuel economy you’re going to get. Gasoline with 10 percent ethanol yields about 3 percent less fuel economy than straight gas.
     
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  32. GSB

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    My local Tesco must be a monster then. 16 multi fuel pumps all offering normal unleaded, momentum 99, or diesel, and all equipped with payment terminals. I've never had to queue there...

    Fortunately, for the moment at least, the UK seems to have stuck with E5 fuel, where you can pretty much guarantee that the petrol you're buying has up to 5% ethanol in it, but no more. E10 is being considered by the govt as it will reduce greenhouse emissions, but don't expect them to do anything quickly now May has jumped the shark and has all the power of a store detective. E85 (only 15% petrol) is available abroad but not in huge quantities. Good job too, I think I'd rather run diesel...
     
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  34. Flying Scotsman

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    Grant, In Canada most brand name stations are up to 10% ethanol with the exception of Chevron (Caltex, Texaco) and Shell and their premium high octane petrol which in my province has no ethanol added. "The Excited States" is another matter altogether. They are all over the map with ethanol percentages and E85 is available for "flex fuel" vehicles. Also no ethanol added to petrol, is not available. The major reason for this is corn producing States have lobbied hard for high percentages of ethanol in petrol.
     
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