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Starry Sep 11, 2018

  1. Starry

    Starry S3 8V saloon... APR Stage 2....(-:

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    Is there anyway to get around starting the car without pressing the clutch down?
     
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  3. Ron240

    Ron240 Breaking the stereotype Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Black Edition S3 Saloon

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    Assuming you have a keyless system and a manual gearbox(second point a no brainer obviously :) ), then no.
    I have always pressed the clutch fully down before starting any of my cars since I started driving 34 years ago.......it puts slightly less strain on the starter motor and is a safeguard if the vehicle has been left in gear and you either haven't noticed or have forgotten. It's a very good habit to have. :innocent:
    With the S tronic you need to press the brake to start the car.
    I'm curious why you would want to start your car without pressing the clutch?
     
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  4. RichardT

    RichardT Well-Known Member Team Brill Red saloon Audi A3

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    Yes - strange question. I have always pressed the clutch to start on manuals.
     
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  5. Starry

    Starry S3 8V saloon... APR Stage 2....(-:

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    I’m manual with a key start, the reason I ask is because when I finish my shift I walk passed my car to get changed into clean clothes and change my dirty boots. There’s no way I could sit in it to start it with my dirty gear on. The cars in a secure yard and it would be nice to start it up, and in the few minutes it takes to get changed it would warm up a little. This would be especially helpful in the winter.
     
  6. Starry

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    I also always press the clutch down when I start any car as a rule.
     
  7. Ron240

    Ron240 Breaking the stereotype Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Black Edition S3 Saloon

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    I'm confused....if your car is manual with a key start why does it need the clutch pressed to start it?
    Every manual car with a key start I've ever driven has not required the clutch to be pressed to enable starting.
    Is this an Audi specific thing?
     
  8. Starry

    Starry S3 8V saloon... APR Stage 2....(-:

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    My Rs4 was the same. The clutch needs pressing for it to start.
     
  9. oli356

    oli356 Well-Known Member Team Sepang Audi S3 S tronic

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    My 13 plate polo needed clutch pressed in to start the engine. As does my mums A1... Can't speak for none vag cars.
     
  10. Ron240

    Ron240 Breaking the stereotype Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Black Edition S3 Saloon

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    Well there you go then....must be a safety thing by VAG. I never knew this as this is my first time owning or driving any of their cars.
    It does make sense. :)
     
  11. MikeParkin

    MikeParkin Well-Known Member Team Ibis Audi S3 Manual

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    I usually just put my foot on the clutch from outside if I’m not getting straight in, it’s a little lunge but it works.
     
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  13. RichardT

    RichardT Well-Known Member Team Brill Red saloon Audi A3

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    I thought it was quite common these days with modern cars. I’ve certainly come across it (and not only vag cars)
     
  14. AlS3BE

    AlS3BE Active Member

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    Mini/bmw is the same. Clutch down before it will start.
    What I don’t get is why brake pedal needs to be pressed before an auto starts. Gearbox need to be in P anyway.
     
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  15. Ron240

    Ron240 Breaking the stereotype Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Black Edition S3 Saloon

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    The 4 cars i owned prior to this one have all been keyless start.....so I didn't know. :D
     
  16. Tom.H

    Tom.H Well-Known Member Team Ara Blue Audi S3 Black Edition S tronic

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    My wife’s C-Max is keyless start and you need to press the brake (it’s an auto) and the parents Kadjar is keyless start and they have to press the clutch (manual) :icon thumright:
     
  17. Starry

    Starry S3 8V saloon... APR Stage 2....(-:

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    Trouble is that my boots will be plastered in oil and other nasties.. :sadlike:
     
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  18. jungle650

    jungle650 Well-Known Member Team Daytona TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi RS3 quattro S tronic MQB Platform DSG

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    Maybe something to do with the Start/Stop function having to press the clutch. Out of curio...:Have u tried disabling the function then trying to start the manual car ?

    Jungle
     
  19. Starry

    Starry S3 8V saloon... APR Stage 2....(-:

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    I’ll try that...
     
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  20. Ron240

    Ron240 Breaking the stereotype Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Black Edition S3 Saloon

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    You can't disable start/stop until after the engine is started.
    Unless you mean going through the rigmarole of permanently disabling it using the dedicated equipment.
     
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  21. Ron240

    Ron240 Breaking the stereotype Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Black Edition S3 Saloon

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    Yes that's the correct method for keyless systems.....it was traditional key start systems I was surprised about. :)
     
  22. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    Me too. In Jap cars from 2000's ish you had to press the clutch to start too.

    Also stops the car lurching forward if left in gear and you forgot!

    TX.

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  23. Ron240

    Ron240 Breaking the stereotype Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Black Edition S3 Saloon

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    I had a 2008 Honda but it was keyless start, so again wouldn't know. :D
    Now that I think about it my last 5 cars have been keyless start.
     
  24. AlS3BE

    AlS3BE Active Member

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    I’ve had keyless start in other cars and all still required either clutch or brake presses depending on auto or manual.
     
  25. Bells

    Bells Well-Known Member Team Ara Blue Audi S3 Black Edition S tronic

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    Starts in Neutral too not just P
     
  26. Ron240

    Ron240 Breaking the stereotype Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Black Edition S3 Saloon

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    Clearly dependant on the manufacturer then. :)
    Ford and Volvo did not require clutch to be pressed to enable key starting in their manual cars.
    I cannot say when or if this changed, but can definitely say it did not apply prior to keyless systems being introduced. :)

    EDIT.
    I misread your post and you misunderstood mine. :)
    My whole point is concerning cars WITHOUT keyless start but still require the clutch to be pressed.
    This is completely alien to me but apparently it is a thing. :D
     
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  27. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    @Ron240 I used to own a 2005 Impreza Spec C (Jap import) and it was manual of course but would not start without pushing in the clutch. Caused a lot of confusion when others got in for a drive eg the wife, servicing people etc!

    TX.
     
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  28. AlS3BE

    AlS3BE Active Member

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    Never tried it in neutral. Doesn’t make sense.
    When you park you have to move lever into P to remove key. So when you start it should still be in P not N. I see no situation why you would be in N to start a car unless you switched it off in traffic but we have stop/start for that.
     
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  29. Bells

    Bells Well-Known Member Team Ara Blue Audi S3 Black Edition S tronic

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    Yeah I’ve tried it once and it worked, only because I saw it appear on the dash once ‘please select P or N’ and I was curious. I can see why you’d have to press the brake though as the handbrake releases if you select Neutral.

    But like you say I can’t think of a reason why you’d want to start the car in neural instead of P anyway!
     
  30. Sparks43

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    Because you can start it in Neutral as well and without the brake on it would start to roll
     
  31. Flying Scotsman

    Flying Scotsman Well-Known Member Team Ara Blue Audi S3 saloon

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    I have one situation. When washing my car with keyless start, I leave the car in N with the parking brake on. Otherwise, the car will start beeping and locking and unlocking every time a stream of water hits the sensors or I touch them whilst cleaning and the FOB is in my pocket.
     
  32. AlS3BE

    AlS3BE Active Member

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    Never had that problem with my old A6 with keyless and I clean my car all the time.
    I just unlock car and got in with it, usually open and close a door then it won’t go off.
     
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  34. Matt Titanium

    Matt Titanium Well-Known Member Team Navarra Audi S3 Manual

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    Many an old car owners have knackered the crank thrust washers by repeatedly spinning a dry engine with the clutch pressed before the oil circulates. Much the same as knackering gearboxes by changing down and using engine braking when the gearboxes weren't designed to take the forces driving in that direction.
     
  35. Ron240

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    Nope...I'm afraid you've lost me there. :anguished:
    It seems like you are saying it's potentially bad for an engine to depress the clutch pedal before starting?
     
  36. Matt Titanium

    Matt Titanium Well-Known Member Team Navarra Audi S3 Manual

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    Not on modern engines but pre 80s stuff was different.
    The crank rubs against thrust bearings which keep it in place, controlling the end float. These bearings are mounted vertically with oil supplied from one of the main bearings, the oil easily drains away. Depressing the clutch when cranking pushes the crank forwards with some considerable force and the thrust bearing rubs against the crank with little lubrication and wears. Not unusual on some engines for the thrust bearing to be worn so badly that it completely drops out! BL cars were particularly bad for this, but those with the old BW slush box never suffer with thrust bearing wear.

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  37. Ron240

    Ron240 Breaking the stereotype Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Black Edition S3 Saloon

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    Good information, but probably not something any of us here need to be concerned about. :)
    I passed my test in 1984 and regularly drove my dads owned since new 1966 Mk.1 Cortina for a year, then moved onto a 1985 Rover 213VP.
    Both those 2 then every manual car since I have started in the same way by pressing the clutch before turning the key.
     
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  38. Matt Titanium

    Matt Titanium Well-Known Member Team Navarra Audi S3 Manual

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    No, but you did ask.:blush:
    Protecting the mechanical longevity of their cars is something few people care about these days. How little people can get away with spending on servicing during their brief ownership is more the order of the day.
     
  39. cuke2u

    cuke2u Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    I would see it as not even lifting the bonnet and making cyclical checks then blaming the manufacturer when things go wrong.
     
  40. Flying Scotsman

    Flying Scotsman Well-Known Member Team Ara Blue Audi S3 saloon

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    They are waiting for idiot lights to go on and then complain to the dealer about???or ever better vent their spleen on a website forum about :blink:
     
  41. dg-1984

    dg-1984 Active Member Team Daytona Audi A3 Sportback S-line owners group Manual

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    I had the push clutch to start bypass switch fitted when I had the S3 8p as I had upgraded to the racing clutch and didn't want to wear the thrust washer any more than I had to.
    I am not sure if one of the bypass switches are available for the 8v model, but I don't think it worked on start stop cars anyway.
     
  42. Ron240

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    Would it genuinely have put enough wear on it to be detrimental to the clutch?
    If so I would say it was not fit for purpose.
    Depressing the clutch before starting is generally a good thing for an engine.
     
  43. Scotty75

    Scotty75 Well-Known Member Team Brilliant Black Silver Supporter Audi A3 Sportback S-line owners group Manual

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    My A3 8v PFL sprortback has to have clutch depressed to start.

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