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Spark Plug recommendations for S3 8P 2.0T (OEM & modified)

warren_S5 Oct 21, 2011

  1. warren_S5

    warren_S5 Moderator Moderator VCDS Map User

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    I appreciate I have posted this within another thread, but for those who may not go into the Revo thread I thought it was worth sectionalising it out. It can then be built upon as a separate topic as we learn more through further investigations / case studies etc. If you've read this post already in the Revo thread, the content has changed so scroll on to the next post down!

    I spoke with NGK about some of the misfire issues / plug dilemmas that owners of standard / modified cars have been experiencing, and they have kindly provided a list of considerations for us to think about with respect to selection the optimum plug.

    PLEASE NOTE: The following information does not constitute a formal recommendation from NGK/NTK UK Ltd other than where OEM standards and running conditions are quoted.

    NGK/NTK's state that a car should always be run with the appropriate spec plug as specified by the manufacturer. Should the owner choose to modify their vehicle and subsequently insert an alternative plug choice NGK/NTK UK accept no responsibility or subsequent liability for failures or damage as a result of these changes.
    They do not provide a formal recommendation for alternative plug specification for tuned engines. Any guidance provided to the general public by NGK/NTK UK to assist owners in selecting an alternative plug choice for lightly or heavily modified vehicles is done so as a gesture of goodwill, and as part of the process of trial and error by the owner. The owners can choose to follow this advice but does so entirely at their own risk.

    Put simply; leave the car as it was intended, and if you do anything else, you are (quite rightly) on your own!

    1) What is a spark plug?

    Before we go into any detail about the plugs, I'm just going to insert a labelled diagram of the plug shamelessly stolen from NGK's website to help inform the uninititiated!

    A spark plug is an electrical device that fits into the cylinder head of some internal combustion engines and ignites compressed fuels such as aerosol, gasoline, ethanol, and liquefied petroleum gas by means of an electric spark.

    Spark plugs have an insulated central electrode which is connected by a heavily insulated wire to an ignition coil or magneto circuit on the outside, forming, with a grounded terminal on the base of the plug, a spark gap inside the cylinder.
    Reciprocating internal combustion engines can be divided into spark-ignition engines, which require spark plugs to initiate combustion, and compression-ignition engines (diesel engines), which compress the air and then inject diesel fuel into the heated compressed air mixture where it autoignites.




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    2) OEM specification : NGK Plug part number (Audi S3 2.0TFSi 2007>)

    Recommended NGK plug (as supplied to VAG Group): PFR7S8EG

    PDF Document Press Release 2010: LINK

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    Under normal operating conditions this plug is perfectly adequate, so if you run with no modifications and want to purchase a plug in the aftermarket arena that best suits the manufacturers original specification this is the one to buy. It has a copper core, and a platinum electrode, and is an exact match for the manufacturers spec.


    3) Running modified : NGK Plug part number (Audi S3 2.0TFSi 2007>)

    A suggested option NGK plug which you could use if you felt so inclined(! - legals covered):

    UPGRADE PLUGS

    BKR7EIX (Stage 1) - Same heat setting as OEM
    BKR8EIX (Stage 2+) - One stage cooler than OEM plugs, should run better with increased combustion temps and boost levels

    RACE PLUGS

    R7434-8 - This plug comes in 8 / 9 / 10 heat settings but 8 would probably be the best to run on modified vehicle - THESE PLUGS CANNOT BE GAPPED DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN OF THE PLATINUM BAR.

    Engines have a particular resonance when they are running, and due to differences in the construction of plugs and the materials that go into them, there is no guarantee that a race plug will be more robust than a road plug, or more attuned to the engine resonance, it is designed to operate at WOT (Wide Open Throttle) for extended periods, so unless your car is used this way it may be of limited benefit).


    4) Why iridium plugs?

    Iridium plugs have a slower wearing tip, and can in some applications take more abuse than it's platinum cousin. Some manufacturers claim that due to conductivity of material and strength they will show better wear rates, stronger sparks, and put less strain on the coil packs, but what's important in modified applications is consistency of performance, and durability due to increased intensity of operating parameters.

    In some respects the platinum plug is the better plug for day to day use as it's ground is better protected with it's copper core than the BKR plug. For racing / track application and outright durability the BKR plug is the overall best choice as in extreme conditions it's less likely to drop a tip, however it will not run as smoothly as a copper core plug so is not the recommended plug for fast road use.


    5) Why go a stage cooler?

    When modified turbocharged cars run more boost, the temperatures within the piston chamber will increase significantly. This puts far greater exposure onto the plug, and very often by running either a cooler plug, or changing the plug gap (trial and error), it is likely you will be able to achieve better consistent performance where less pre-ignition occurs.

    A cooler plug is visually identifiable from a warmer plug as the insulator is thicker (see below '6' heat plug on the right, '8' plug on the left).

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    It is generally accepted that a cooler plug is likely to cause less damage than a hotter plug. A cooler plug will just foul up, whereas the hotter plugs can cause catastrophic engine failure if they are to over heat. Which would you prefer, a failure due due a foulled plug or a rebuild?!

    Obviously the aim is to get the best performing plug, so if you do a lot of track work then an 8 is likely to be the safer bet, whereas if you tend to use your S2+ car as a shopping car / school bus for local journeys in the main then 7's may be adequate.

    As engines become more advanced and have leaner burn cycles the plugs seem to be getting colder and colder, and so I'm told some Fiats are now running '9' plugs (I'd imagine the new Multi Air technology LINK engines which give upto 20% more power for the same CC)


    6) Plug gapping

    Plug gapping can be a mechanism to fine tune the running of a car with turbo modifications. As the plug tips are generally precious metals and very delicate it is strongly recommended that GREAT CARE is taken when gapping plugs. If you are unsure of what you are doing, get someone qualified to do it for you (dropping a ground electrode into your chamber is never going to be a good idea, and if you damage the tip when you gap it the plug is basically a write off anyway). Only consumer plugs can be gapped, and the general convention of gapping might see a tuned car dropping from 0.8mm to 0.6mm, or an NA to forced induction conversion going from 1.1m to 0.9mm.

    OEM Audi recommended gap for stock spec plugs in OEM engine set up: 0.8mm


    7) My plugs have a red tinge to them, should I be concerned?


    NGK have noted that more recently the insulators on plugs have a more reddish tinge to them than they have in the past. The thinking behind this to date is that as this cleans off, it is likely to be down to additives within the fuels supplied to forecourts and is not a cause for concern.


    8) So to summarise

    If you choose to stray from the OEM manufacturer recommendation as part of an upgrade or modification path, always engage with a qualified tuning agent to ensure you get the best advice or support. It appears there are a range of options available to us, but as none of these plugs have been put through up to 4 years back to back intensive testing, none of the alternative recommendations can be guaranteed to offer a defined improvement in running or reliability and it is very much a case of suck it and see. Lets all hope the advent of corona plugs is not too far away!!!


    9) And finally...

    A huge thank you goes out to Mick at NGK/NTK UK for coming back to me so quickly with such useful insight which at least means we have a clear list of possible part numbers to test out (at our own risk!), the definitive OEM part number, the recommended gap, and some very useful pointers are food for thought. Top mark guys, great customer service.
     
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  3. warren_S5

    warren_S5 Moderator Moderator VCDS Map User

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    And another thing:

    I hear (but cannot be 100% certain), the plugs now offered as service parts by Audi are of a lesser quality than the aftermarket plugs you can buy from other suppliers. Supposedly it's to increase margin due to fixed service cost price reductions, and if the rumours are true they may have even less precious metal materials within the construction. Now whilst I can't validate this 100%, I would suggest should this be the case you are better off buying plugs from one of the forum sponsors, or someone like OPIE Oils as the likelihood is you will end up with a better quality plug that the OEM supplied unit. If I get any more concrete facts about this I'll post them up.
     
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    Unitronic Fear is just a word!

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  5. batch

    batch Well-Known Member Team Glacier Audi S3 quattro

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    Thanks Warren, good stuff.
     
  6. _G_

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    Beautiful thread! Thanks for this. I'm running BKR8EIX which is a slightly colder plug. With a remap alone the engine temp used to be slightly over 90 on the gage until I put these babies in.
     
  7. Artimus

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    Very informative, Thanks Warren. :icon_thumright:
     
  8. JJ.Foulds

    JJ.Foulds Well-Known Member

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    The spark plugs reduced your overall engine temp? im confused. lol

    JJ.
     
  9. turbonutz

    turbonutz Active Member

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    Disapate heat better? A dont get it to?
     
  10. GSXROLLIE1

    GSXROLLIE1 Member

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    Would I be ok to run br8 plugs on a stage 2 map
     
  11. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Warren's write up made for some very good advice.

    My own experience was to stick with stock plugs all the way to where mine is now,and simply change them more often than Audi would recommend,and so far the only problem we ever had was trying a colder plug at 500bhp+,and getting a misfire for the effort.

    Stick with what you have,unless there's some very good reason to change.
     
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  13. GSXROLLIE1

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    It just says a br7 for stage 1 and br8 for stage 2 plus.

    Only reason I'm thinking about it as the dealer has told me they need to be in there for when it's mapped.
     
  14. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Depends very much on your tuner and why they think it's required.
    If they won't do it without then either have them fit the plugs or fit them yourself,but my point is that when I ran revo software,it wasn't necessary,and even with a Syvecs ECU and far more boost than Stg2+,it wasn't required either.

    I think some tuners may run different settings on timing,which may push the temps etc up a bit,but that's down to how they run the engine.
     

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