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since when has an A8 been the more economical option....

Flynn89forever Nov 28, 2020

  1. Flynn89forever

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    normally post over in the S5 B8 forum here but having retired the S5 from daily use i bought a new daily and having had to use the S5 as an everyday car since the company car went back the fuel costs with the mileage i'm doing has been horrendous.... and i really don't want to be putting this daily mileage onto the poor thing.....
    So the hunt was on for something a lot more economical.....
    So what's a petrolhead to do who has an obsession with Audi V8's???
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    Well it is technically a lot more economical than the S5.....
    It is a 2007 A8, decent condition, low miles... but needs some love
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    Not a huge fan of the wheels but they are in good condition, needs spacers and lowering (has the air suspension so can do that with VCDS)
    Electric everything.... and even has a full Alpine system in the rear and screens in the headrests for the children in the back....
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    Plans? clean it and make the paintwork better....
    and a remap just because....
    then hunt for stuff to make it OEM+
    rear lights on the drivers side need replacing
    clean out the drain tubes and scuttle area as it's a rain forest of crud waiting to leak.
    Huge amount of car for not a lot of money
     
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  3. Flynn89forever

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    it is a nice place to be.....
     
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    Nothing more frustrating than buying a new car and wanting to get stuff done and the weather being dismal... wet.... and just bleaugh
    The outside of the house whilst flat, it wasn't flat enough.... what's a man to do? go use the 100,000 sqft facility he works in.
    The mission this morning was to get the suspension lowered via VCDS. There are many online "how to's". The one thing none of them mention is when you need to take your actual wheel centre to arch dimension.
    Once you've gone into the actual Adaption phase and the car has raised and lowered and it is the actual point of changes the dimensions, that is the point to actually measure the gap, just before you change the measurements...
    I went for a 20mm lower at the front and 15mm at the rear.
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    armed with the trusty laptop and VCDS all plugged in.....
    before dropping it down
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    and after.... subtly different. I have a set of S5 wheels to go on, with spacers.... but the weather.... say no more
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    The A8 has the TV tuner installed, my first ever Audi that has ever had this feature.... so of course it needs the speed limiter removing for VIM.
    I found a great tutorial on how to remove the VIM
    https://trick77.com/tools/mmi2g_vimcode.php#bottom
    Just follow it to the letter and it worked perfectly.
    Then got home and the weather is still..... bleaugh
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    So, the list of things which need attention. In no particular order
    drivers side rear lights need replacing
    drivers side front fog lamp needs replacing
    Brake hoses need changing out for a set of Hel Performance brake lines and the whole system purged and bled.
    Wheel spacers and wheels swapping out, i will need to swap the tyres from these wheels to the new ones as they are 255/40-19 as fitted and the new wheels are 255/35-19
    The interior needs a ****** good clean, the leather wants deep cleaning and the steering wheel is shinier than the bodywork and feels disgusting, same with the gearknob
    Keys need new batteries, on my old S8 i had a new key made based on a Bentley keyfob, i'd like to look into doing that again as it was a lovely key.
    Arch liners all need removing and deep cleaning behind, definitely not the weather at present.
    Paintwork needs a thorough clay barring and polish.
    Remap... because it has turbo's and is an easy upgrade.
    Interior lights need all swapping out for LED.... will be going the tried and trusted route of using good old Trupp.
    The interior window switches can be swapped out for the chrome tipped versions as fitted to the facelift A3 Sportback..... so that's on the list.
    plus whatever other retrofits i can find
     
  5. Flynn89forever

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    a fantastic quick break in the awful weather had this big yellow glowy thing make an appearance.....
    Good time to tackle the awful steering wheel..... only a quick hit
    I'll revisit and redye also when i have more time
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    what we started with, minging and felt awful
    gearkbob was no better
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    quick rub and wipe with my normal go to cleaner
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    30 minutes later
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    much much better... smells better in there too
     
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    With a little decent weather this weekend, i tried the S5 wheels, hated it....
    I had a spare set of spacers, so stuck them on with the original wheels and gave them a thorough deep clean... they came up like new, not a kerbing in site.... i think i've decided i actually like them.... funny old world.
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    20mm on the rear, 15mm on the front, need to drop it a little more.....
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    i was curious what the scuttle area was like.... knowing that 99% of car owners don't tend to clean the inner workings of their car....
    Prepare yourself... it was grim, proper grim....
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    Armed with TFR, a brush, a hose and a full Haz-Mat suit, i dived in
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    can now see the paintwork colour in there lol....
    The whole engine bay was TFR'd and then a thorough splashing of 303 and a wipe later
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    All the plastics which go over the scuttle area were also cleaned and 303'd
    I then Clayed the car, well a first hit..... **** me it's a big car...!!!!
     
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    having a bit of a hunt for what can be tweaked OEM style i saw a thread where someone had swapped out a set of chrome switches from an S5 steering wheel.... well for once i had something in stock having had a spare wheel for my S5 from ages ago....
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    what we started with...
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    and the switches... but ******... first issue... steering wheel was from a manual car, so no flappy paddles. hmmmmm....
    So i took one switch to bits, there is a tiny torx bit on the reverse. With that undone the front unclips from the rear case. Could i just swap the fascia over?
    nope, wouldn't clip in.... ******... would i be lucky enough that i could swap the inner PCB boards from the chrome, to the none chrome.....
    yup...!!! woohoo
    I always have the engine running so i can rotate the wheel so the screws will be at 12 o'clock
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    Do not disconnect the airbag with the engine running, or the ignition on...!!!
    to get the switches out you need to remove this trim piece, after you have removed the airbag (with ignition off).
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    all inner gubbings swapped over and built back up and airbag back in and all now nice and chromey....
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    chrome window switches needed from an A3 8P Sportback next....
     
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    Very nice car. How much did you get it for if you don't mind me asking?
     
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    Get for what?
     
  10. Mkay315

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    How much did it cost for you to buy the car?
     
  11. Flynn89forever

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    Plenty on Autotrader to see what the market sells them at....
    What I actually paid is between me and the person I bought it from
     
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    as curiosity always gets the better of me, out into the garage this morning and dug through the box of parts....
    AMI is definitely MOST, so is compatible...!!!
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    Just need to find out what cable i need to connect it as OE to the A8.... any suggestions???
    Having a play about with other things... the Alpine system wasn't working.... screens would illuminate and DVD's would cycle but nothing was playing... started with all the basics. All new batteries in the remote control and both headphones was all it needed....
    Got to love a cheap fix
     
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    Jobs for the weekend..... weather is bound to stuff it up

    AMI install, MOST retrofit cable ordered
    Update to SW 5570, discs ordered
    Aux heater pump install

    Whilst the wheels, arch liners and bumper are off I plan clean.... I have some Raceglaze aluminium deox which I’ll try to bring some resurrection to the brake calipers.
    However I think a full brake rebuild will be the best way forward.... the brake discs are ok, just cruddy and look bad. They function as needed... just aesthetically displeased
     
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    A subtle PM offered me a list of parts to undertake the pre-heater conversion....
    a good conversation struck up and a decent agreement on a fair price for the new parts
    and they arrived safe and sound today.... many thanks - you know who you are
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    all that was missing were the hose clips, so with part number in hand, they were ordered from my local Audi dealer... they arrive tomorrow....
    Weather permitting for Saturday
     
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    a late night trip out to the garage to find the hose clamps.... i'd had a stash of them left over from another project..... 4no required and found.....
    and picked up the update disc today from my local Audi dealer.....
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    at least the update disc install won't be hindered by the weather hahaha
     
  17. +robster+a7+tdi

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    nice big bus, im guessing by year its a 6 speed aisin auto box fitted ? i had a mappad casa 3.0 v6 with this box in my old my08 q7 and it went quite well for the size of it . is the 4.2 a big difference ?
    anyway enjoy
     
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    it is the 6 speed....
    The 4.2 is a world away from the 3.0..... at least compared to the 3.0tdi A5 I once had
     
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    Why is it simple jobs always escalate into bigger jobs hahaha
    one of the bulbs had gone out for the rear number plate lights, quick email to Trups for a set of LED's (and also a set for the front side light whilst at it). and a pair duly arrived yesterday.
    Went to unscrew the screws and all 4 heads sheared in the aluminium housing....
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    so, total boot lid strip down to extract the handle and it's always fun with a pistol drill drilling steel screws out in aluminium... the drill has a tendency to follow the path of least resistance and wander off...
    No such worries, time and patience and a steady hand....
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    drilled and retapped to the correct M3 size
    sadly i didn't have the correct Audi screws, but i did have some M3 stainless cap heads so they will do for now....
    The lens need replacing so when i order a new set, i'll order the correct AUdi screws as well....
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    all built back up....
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    whilst in the boot i added LED's to the boot lights
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    a comparison of LED (left) and original (right), i've used these before in other cars and it illuminates the recess's of the boot far better.... i'd had these LED's also from Trup's but from a previous project i never used them on.
    front LED sidelights fitted....air filter top housings removed to gain access to the back of the lamps and swapped out...
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    i am always amazed by how people look after their cars prior to my ownership.... on one side the air filter was a genuine Audi item, date stamp 2008, on the other side some pattern part of some unknown brand, date stamp 2017....
    Then onto the software update... car came with 3340, it is a long boring ordeal....
    start at disc 1, notice the time stamp
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    disc 1 complete, onto discs 2, run disc 2 twice and then onto discs 3...
    all done and updated to 5570
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    notice the end time stamp....
    tomorrow if the weather holds it's time for the pre heat pump....
     
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    Mission pre heat today...
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    There are plenty of good guides online on how to do this, so i won't reinvent the wheel..... i'll just add my findings
    set the suspension to lift and set it to Jack on
    onto axle stands and wheels off, front part of the wheel arch liners off and undertray off...
    remove the bumper....
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    lots to clean within but that's for another day....
    remove the drivers side air filter housing and the headlight
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    it's fiddly getting the aux heater out.... when removing the exhaust on the rear of it be careful when removing it, it's aluminium onto steel.... it will break if you strain it....
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    it does eventually come out
    where the new pump mounts you need to drill out and tap, i did mine M6 as i had a nice Titanium M6 button head bolt...
    Build up the new pump and connect the pipes and connect the wiring...
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    and that's it.... build it all back up and refill the coolant you lost.... about 2 litres comes out when you disconnect the pipes....
    Then onto the inside to do the codings....
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    It gives you additional settings with the HVAC setup on the MMI
    and when the timer is set you get 2 little icons on the dash display....
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    I did set the timer to come on and watch the measuring blocks to watch the pump cycle on and off when playing with the settings....
    Can't wait to see it's effect tomorrow morning.... looking at the timer it appears it needs to be set for each day rather than being able to set a weekly schedule.... i'll have to investigate that.....
     
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    having used Trupp's at EM Tuning for all my LED's since forever on a lot of Audi's i was surprised to have a bulb warning chime up for the LED sidelights...
    It was borderline, sometimes it would chime, other times it would stay silent... weird!!!
    So a quick email to Trupp's to ask if he'd come across it, yes came the instant reply... stick a set of resistors in...
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    I'd previously bought a set for my VW CC bought a pair of these from Trupp's....
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    all assembled and job's a goodun' no more chimes.
    Onto another niggle today, since buying the A8 the windscreen washers weren't great, there was ****** all pressure and it dribbled out...
    first thoughts were the jets - nope all clear
    thinking it was a dying pump, strip down to investigate
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    normally would swap the pumps to test if a duff pump but the A8 had to have a different pump for the windscreen and headlights.... electrical connection and hose connection are both different.... ******
    So, unclipped the hose and pressed go... dribble dribble...!!! ******
    Took the pump out of the bottle and put it into a cup of water..... stupidly had the outlet point at my crotch... cue suddenly looking like i'd wet myself but the pump worked as it should.... hmmmm
    It was then i remembered that previous Audi's had a filter where the pump sits in the bottle....
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    That'll be the issue then.....!!!
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    washed both the windscreen filter and the headlight filter and all built back up and now can see through a clean screen.....!!!
     
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    Looks like you've been busy mate, A8 getting as much attention as your S5 does. :thumbs up:

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    Lol, thanks... always good to be busy

    A bit of holiday time during this festive season meant i was able to revisit the Aux Heater install.... whilst it had made a difference and had reduced warm up a time a bit, the more i thought about the more it wasn't making me think WOW, what a difference......
    So i Googled, and read.... and read a bit more.... and then for good measure, read it all again. None of the install guides mentioned an additional coding requirement on the Auto HVAC side of things....
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    Channel 21 on Adaptions, change your 0 to 1, press save....
    What does that do, i hear you ask???
    well once you have rebooted your MMI it gives you another additional setting to turn on
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    It now gives me the engine preheat option, rather than just aux heat and aux vent.
    Time will tell if it makes a further improvement...
     
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    Ebay has kept me occupied over the Christmas break.....

    When fitting the new spacers, 2 of the wheel bolts on one back hub didn't feel great, so peace of mind i have ordered a new hub.
    Also on route....
    Complete brake discs and pads front and rear, whilst in there have also ordered a set of HelPerformance brake lines to replace the aged originals
    As no knowledge of when last done, i have a complete engine service kit coming. All filters including fuel filter....

    A new set of Pirelli P Zero's are on route as well as this is fitted with an aged set of Vredestein's#, which are over 6 years old.

    but the most fun will come with the arrival on the new ECU reprogrammer... i used to tinker back in the day and well with the advent of a new turbocharged car it would be rude not too....
    Have order a V54 FGTech Galletto 2.....

    The sat nav disc is the original 2007 item, so a 2020 version is also on route....

    Should all keep me busy for a day or 2 when it all arrives....
     
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    good reading, always appreciate posts like this.
    always good to have people that contribute pictures , time and effort on thier projects to show the next guy their pitfalls and success.
    i will be keeping an eye on the progress.

    i fitted a set of hel lines to my a7 a few weeks ago and posted my work if you fancy a 5 min read

    https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/a7-brake-failure.422419/#post-3637620
     
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    Well Mr Postman has been busy, parts have been slowly arriving...
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    I was going to tackle the brakes yesterday, as despite the cold the sun was out and it was dry.... went to prep the brake discs as these ones were uncoated and i always like to paint the unswept areas as it makes them look better for long as i cannot stand rusty, cruddy brake discs.... Having checked earlier in the week that i had plenty of satin black paint, like a knobhead i failed to check that i had the correct zinc primers.... lockdown prevented going and getting any, so will have to wait for Mr Postman and another dry weekend... Once i'd got over the tantrum i went inside and sulked....
    Whilst sulking yesterday i started to look at the ECU programmer i bought, seems i need a laptop now with Windows 7, of the 3 laptops in the house all are Windows 10, so couldn't even play with that...!!!
    Today i wanted to do the service. Car into service position
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    Under tray removed, of course it was covered in historic oil leaks, crud and just was plain manky.... I'd read on another thread how effective (and very cheap) a product called EnlbowGrease was at dissolving this type of crud. I'd attached Amazon and bought 3 squirty bottles for the amzing price of £3.00 delivered for all 3, yes that is £1 a bottle....
    ****** brilliant stuff.... was even better than my normal Rhino TFR.
    I will keep an eye on this area to make sure i don't have an oil leak, the car doesn't use any oil but the engine should be oil tight....
    Oil dropped, filter changed etc.... everything cleaned up underneath and rinsed down.
    Air filters changed, so at least now i have a matched pair....
    The pollen filter had a date stamp of 2007.... surely this would have been changed during at least a main dealer service????
    It was certainly filthy under there and looked undisturbed...!!!
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    now all replaced and cleaned and hit with 303 to protect the plastics.
    Fuel filter replaced, again with a ****** 2007 date stamp..... FFS and to bring damnation down onto me, of course i got caught in a sudden downpour
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    Under all the covers, it was a bit dusty and no signs of any oil leak from above... i cleaned and treated all the aluminium parts and cleaned and again hit with 303 to protect.
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    Even the sun came out to celebrate the finished results...!!!
    One lot of jobs ticked off the list at least....!!!
     
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    Quick note on the number plate lights, the broken screws are a common issue. I had broken screws too bodged in the past which bubbled the paint. Ended up replacing the trim and the lights but I'm afraid the problem will happen again in the future. I would stick to stainless if you can rather than the Audi originals. I will be replacing my screws when I get time to check out which size I need
     
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    They are an M3 thread, I used a 10mm long cap head
     
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    in other news though i've been cheered up with the arrival of these 4 lumps
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    So, finally having sorted a Windows 7 laptop i went back to installing the software and updating the drivers and we now have the computer communicating with the Galletto and able to see the cars ecu.... and there i stopped.... a couple of thing stopped me
    Snow and it being miserable outside
    A battery on the laptop not being the most robust and needing the power lead on it at all times
    I discovered that the battery on the A8 isn't optimal and whilst the car starts fine, if you sit with the ignition on for any short length of time it runs flat instantly, so to proceed it needs a charger connecting to maintain the electrical current.
    Knowing how easy it is to brick an ecu i want to wait until the weather is better and get set up comfortably and not have any electric disruptions for fear of it dying, or spiking and bricking the ecu and immobilising the car for daily use....!!!
    However i feel it has made a (small) step forward..... and the seller finally admitted that the plug they sent was incorrect so i am expecting a plug adapter so i can bench flash as well if needs be.....
     
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    one thing i do intend doing though prior to any map install is data logging the standard car.... for a couple of reasons

    a/ to ensure MAF's are reading correctly and to see what figures they are running
    b/ to ensure there are no boost leaks
    c/ to ensure the wastegate control circuits are working
    d/ to have a baseline for figures once the new map is on
     
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    another piece of the puzzle arrived safely in the post today
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    full interior LED kit from EMTuning.... i asked Trupp's if he had anything to offer for the revers lights, knowing the bulb is unique to Audi.
    "give me a couple of weeks" came the reply.....
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    direct replacement for the standard Audi halogen lamp....
    fitting report soon and i can rid the outdated yellowness of the standard interior lamps.....
     

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