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Should the UK stay in the EU?

ScottishA4B9 May 10, 2016

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Should the UK stay in the EU?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    56.9%
  3. Not sure

    9.8%
  1. ScottishA4B9

    ScottishA4B9 Registered User

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    Hey Folks.

    So what do you all think. Should the UK stay in the EU?

    What are you reasons for saying no or yes?
     
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  3. Lavis89

    Lavis89 Well-Known Member Regional Rep

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    I have no idea! All i can see is a lot of facts and figures based on educated guesses when it comes to the economics side of things. Being able to deport people convicted of spreading extremism without the european court of human rights getting involved would be nice but i've got a lot of reading to do before i can confidently cast my vote.
     
  4. Raiden

    Raiden Registered User

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    Damned if you, Damned if you don't.

    Not matter what happens where all doomed. What will change honestly???
     
  5. joinerman

    joinerman Registered User

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    Won't matter if we all vote out, there will be so much wheelin & dealin & skulduggery going on behind the scenes we will stay in. jmo
     
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  6. rum4mo

    rum4mo Registered User

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    Being only slightly cynical(?) I'd reckon if we leave there will be lots of money to be made by enterprising businesses - probably mostly based abroad but claiming to be working for us!

    One interesting thing I heard the other day, the reason why Germany was helped encouraged to be either leading the EEC or co-leading it was basically down to making sure that they had reasons for behaving after they seemed to have been a bit naughty twice in the last 100 years!!
     
  7. Alex Richardson

    Alex Richardson Registered User

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    It doesn't matter. If we all vote for YES or NO it will not impact in government's decision.
     
  8. TonyH38

    TonyH38 Registered User

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    If we stay in we will regret it, the unelected bureaucrats of the E.U. Will make our lives here as hard as possible.
     
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  9. A4B9

    A4B9 Registered User

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    Have you got any proof of this? Sounds like nothing more than scaremongering to me, it's in nobody's interest to make life difficult if we stay in

    And those unelected bureaucrats you speak of are British civil servants sent out to Brussels by our elected government to look after our interests

    Next you'll be telling us we'll be invaded by Turkish migrants if we stay in
     
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  10. Jake 61

    Jake 61 Teacher of bad things..! Gold Supporter VCDS Map User

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    What I don't understand, is why David Cameron was so against the EU 12 months ago, (along with George Osborne), and now it is the best thing since sliced bread.

    None of them could lie straight in bed.
    Nor could they tell us how to without at least half a dozen u-turns.
     
  11. paul20v

    paul20v Audi fanatic

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    Couldnt agree more .
     
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  13. 45bvtc

    45bvtc The Older I Get The Better I Was Supporter Gold Supporter

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    I'm OUT! We're OUT!

    And 5-reasons why - for starters:

    1) I cannot understand why French and Spanish fishermen can catch 10x more fish in our waters than our own fisherman - have you ever seen noticed the differences between the French and Spanish trawlers and our rusty tubs!

    2) The waste of (our) monies spent on infrastructure projects like the Spanish Ciudad airport costing billions but unused and now left to rot: and if you need to see more of where money is spent go watch the cycling tours of France and Spain and see the road infrastructures there and compare them with ours; I mean, even the Germans send development cars here as our roads are so appallingly bad - if they ride OK in the UK they'll ride OK anywhere...

    3) Two parliaments: one in Brussels and one in Strasburg - the French obviously needing the one in Strasburg, France: our bumbling EU Bureaucrats waste time and (our) money each and every month flitting between Brussels and Strasburg with everything except the kitchen sink; it's pathetic, and we're paying for it...

    4) And our UK contribution to support Spanish bullfighting, because it's traditional: scumbags...

    5) And the Americans; the Americans seem sooo desperate for us to be in so even if reasons 1 to 4 are/were insufficient I can assure you 100% that this last one works for me; the only reason the Americans want anything is for their own self interest (feels soooo much better now): I don't trust America; I don't think I ever have

    Note: does anyone know what "our special relationship with the US" is 'cos I for one don't; our so called 'friends' still have a ban on our beef and lamb exports (?)

    OK, back in 1975 I voted 'IN' to a Common Market to enable goods and services to be harmonised across the community but what we have now in 2016 is a looooong way from that aspiration and we've moved into a political minefield with way too many unelected and unaccountable travelling money grabbers - the classic example here being the Kinnock family

    And RS3copilot agrees with ALL of the above so that's the two of us OUT!
     
  14. Jake 61

    Jake 61 Teacher of bad things..! Gold Supporter VCDS Map User

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    Well said, John. I didn't want to get all political on a forum I enjoy using, (and use to get away from all life's nonsense). But.....
    Back in 1975, things were a lot different to the arguments being put forward now and with today's arguments being put to the country, I don't think we would have had anything to do with it back then.
    What I read recently had nothing to do with the greater good and more to do with money, interference from the United States going back as far as the post-war years and what five of the worlds most powerful families have to do with it.
    These people could wipe out third world debt at a stroke, but will not.
    They finance all of the conflict on this planet, so they can control a very high percentage of the money. (And oil).
    They control all of the banks and the gold reserves.

    Europe, yeah, lovely place and people just the same as us, led by idiots who do what they're told by these people;

    http://humansarefree.com/2015/06/5-most-powerful-families-that-secretly.html

    I'm out by the way.
     
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  15. donfresh

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    OUT!! dont let the media use their scare tactics on you to make you want to stay in. it benefits the elite only.
    we can govern ourselves, don't need some random suits in Belgium telling us what to do. We will still be able to trade freely with any country inside and out the EU. The EU is slowly crumbling as we speak, time to jump off this sinking ship
     
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  16. Lavis89

    Lavis89 Well-Known Member Regional Rep

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    I think if we did leave the EUs days will be numbered, wont take long for other to start wanting out. (unless we leave and totally fudge it up)
     
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  17. 45bvtc

    45bvtc The Older I Get The Better I Was Supporter Gold Supporter

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    I agree with the last three contributions whole heartedly: Jake 61, donfresh, and Lavis89; as Jake said "didn't want to get all political" but providing arguments are 'constructive' and don't decline to a slagging off of individuals then I think this thread an ideal place to debate this question.

    I've wanted out for a long time as what we have is not what we voted for; a number of politicians have come along and reneged on their faithful promise to allow us current UK residents a vote and I'm content that Cameron has given us that opportunity.

    As for this "special relationship" well that certainly needs to be redefined as 'only when of benefit to the US of bl**dy A'

    OUT and lets start trading with the rest of the World... [​IMG] Bye Jaques...

     
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  18. jojo

    jojo Looking for Boost! Staff Member Moderator

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    It's a tough one from my point of view. From an Economy point of view, IN, from a Domestic point of view, OUT. Really depends on which boat you are on, and which one effects you the most?

    I'm still undecided at this moment in time.
     
  19. RS3 S.

    RS3 S. Registered User

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    I'm voting out, so is my wife & just about everyone I've talked to about it.
     
  20. Wastegate86

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    I'm out but I'm lucky to have guaranteed job security.
    If I didn't then id probably vote the other way....too much uncertainty!
     
  21. Scottyg

    Scottyg Registered User

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    Simple one word answer. OUT
     
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  22. JBS3

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    OUT, we managed through two world wars without Brussels telling us what to do.
    Don't see why we can't now.
     
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  23. ScottishA4B9

    ScottishA4B9 Registered User

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    So what do people think the out come will be?
     
  24. Scottyg

    Scottyg Registered User

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    I think it will be stay. I hope not but.........all I need to know is I cast my OUT vote!
     
  25. Jake 61

    Jake 61 Teacher of bad things..! Gold Supporter VCDS Map User

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    I also think Remain will succeed, but like Scottyg, my vote was also for out.
    The aftermath is going to be very interesting and very similar to the independence vote in Scotland recently. Close to half of the UK are going to be upset by the outcome, just as a very high percentage of Scots were with the indy results.
    Where do we go from here...? If we leave, I think the Euro Project is doomed. Sweden will call for their own referendum and probably leave, closely followed by the Dutch. From there on, the rest will follow.
    If we remain, then I think the Conservative Party will have a huge rift to heal and no amount of Amber Rudd telling Sir David Dimbleby that she and Boris Johnston are good, will wash. The Tories have sold one and other right down the line, I don't think they can possibly function as a Government after this.
    One thing is for sure, the next few days won't be boring, either way.
     
  26. A4B9

    A4B9 Registered User

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    I really do fear what the future holds if we vote to leave
     
  27. Techen

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    Looks like the leave vote is gaining some major speed now, GOOD! Time for change :D
     
  28. desertstorm

    desertstorm Moderator Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

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    Remain are back in front :) . Nice and quiet here at work tonight ,we can't do anything as there is an embargo on network change so not a lot to do except watch the way this develops.
     
  29. Techen

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    The only real reason remain are pulling back is scotland, Once scotland is out the way I expect to see leave with a major lead.
     
  30. desertstorm

    desertstorm Moderator Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

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    Looks like you may be right, will need to fill the car with fuel and get to Tesco and stock up on milk and bread on the way home :) .
     
  31. ScottishA4B9

    ScottishA4B9 Registered User

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    @desertstorm I never thought about fuel! No doubt the fuel companies will use whatever result as an excuse to out fuel prices up like they always do!!!

    Leave winning at the moment. Hope that keeps going that way!
     
  32. jdp1962

    jdp1962 Grumpy Old Man

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    Did I read that right? The first voting area to declare a result was Gibraltar?
     
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  34. shady-ninja

    shady-ninja Registered User

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    what a sad day for politics and goodbye to human rights
     
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    jdp1962 Grumpy Old Man

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  36. shady-ninja

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    Scotland and northern Ireland now will break off UK.
    the break off will be strong and have bad consequences.
     
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  38. shady-ninja

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    how can you sell your national assets abroad and stay out of EU?
    does not make sense.
     
  39. pburv

    pburv Registered User

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    :cheerful:
     
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  40. Techen

    Techen Registered User

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    If scotland breaks off from the rest of the UK am leaving to move into england. Screw that, time to open brand new trade deals and make some real money. Loose human rights too? Thats a good one, that will surely get passed by mps!
     
  41. shady-ninja

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    techen. I commend you on your choice.
    just remember why EU was set up in the first instance.
    remember your history.
    treaty of Rome.
    it was only just over seventy years ago.
    England participating in Euro 2016.
    its all about creating peace and not fighting each other.
    this will be a million times worse than the credit crunch and black Wednesday (1992).
    Cameron has failed again just like he failed as one of the three wise men who
    advised Norman Lamont chuck billions of ££££ in less than 24 hours for nothing,
    thereby netting speculators like George Soros over a billion in less than 12 hours.
     
  42. shady-ninja

    shady-ninja Registered User

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    there you go, David Cameron has just resigned as prime minister.
    what do you have to say now.
    expect turmoil.
     
  43. shady-ninja

    shady-ninja Registered User

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    British governments have sold major assets abroad such as British Telecom, Electric, British gas, the railway lines, bus services, banks, car manufacturers like Jaguar, Aston martin, Rover, Land rover, Mini, MG, Rolls Royce, Bentley, TVR, British aerospace/British airways, British steel and many more.
    the government even toyed with the idea off selling UK motorways.
    the sale of these assets has led to job losses.
    now Britain has voted to leave, what stops these companies to move manufacturing plants and infrastructure
    to another country (lock stock & barrel) outside Britain.
    How can you sell off your assets and expect to successfully bargain with other countries.
    How can the government sell off assets and expect keep to electoral manifesto (electoral promise).
     

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