S3 stage 2 v RS3 stage 1

billyali86

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Bud, I'm a construction manager not a bank manager! :sneakiness:
The car is fine, it goes well as it is so I'll not be going elsewhere as Revo have a good reputation .. for now . :thumbs up:

Understood, as long as your happy with it :)
 

NevMan

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agree, especially on a cooler day like under 23 deg :cold::whistle2::whip::thumbs up:
 

James 123

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Just my input here. I went from a stage 2 s3 which was immensely quick. I then bought a pfl rs3 got it mapped immediately of Mrc ( just what you do isn’t it! ) My s3 wasn’t slow by any means, by the time I sold it, it was approaching 400bhp whereas my rs3 came out at 428bhp but with a tonne more torque and the difference is literally night and day. This is 19 months ago but I can literally still remember getting in after the remap, noticing the difference and thinking **** a brick this is quick. I guess I’m kinda saying an s3 stage 2 is obviously a serious machine, but a mapped rs3 is totally on the next level.
 

terminator x

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I was just looking at vbox numbers I saw while ago on stage 2 HO mk7R and very impressive.

0-60 in 3.1
0-100 in 7.4
62-124 in 8.6

That's no slouch at all. Hence why min difference in normal driving speeds. Top end power will be where your RS3 would pull away. I agree though in this case if the s3 had upgraded IC in summer that would be huge advantage.
Good post, amazed at those times. Can see how even a tuned 3 would struggle in the real world.

TX.

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NevMan

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Revo maps are going to be as good as any. @Kristijan Sabljar has been testing extensively with Revo and been getting some great times.

I'm currently running Revo stage 1 on the TTRS and it goes very well.
Understated as always @Doc. Goes like s*** off a shovel you mean :blackrs4:
 

E15

Registered User
Ok.
I spoke to a Revo technician, Chris, who was very knowledgeable, professional and patient.
Apparently my car is set on 95 ron, the lowest setting, because I use Momentum but when I've run a couple of tanks of V Power then the setting will be raised to 98 ron, 100 Ron being the highest setting. Revo trialled their engines on V Power and said that I'd get better gains so that's what I'm gonna do. At the moment my car will be between 440-450 bhp but with the more consistent V Power, it should make 480-485.
Chris said the Momentum ron can fluctuate whereas V Power is more stable..

I'll give it a go..
 

NevMan

Well known member
I don't have a GTR tho... :chuncky:

A LOT of the owners in here run momentum too. Don’t know why they can’t just dial up to 98 map with you running momentum, surely it is your choice/decision
 

E15

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A LOT of the owners in here run momentum too. Don’t know why they can’t just dial up to 98 map with you running momentum, surely it is your choice/decision

Totally understand but as Revo advise V Power then I'll try it. I believe MRC recommend Momentum and if they'd mapped my car, I'd have stuck with it...
 

Marshy

Settled in
So have you had your car switched over to the 98 map?
I’d be interested to hear your opinion if it actually makes a difference switching to V-power.
When I ran my previous Golf R stage 2 I found it actually went better on Momentum than v-power.
I really do hope it’s as simple as that but look forward to your opinion
 

E15

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So have you had your car switched over to the 98 map?
I’d be interested to hear your opinion if it actually makes a difference switching to V-power.
When I ran my previous Golf R stage 2 I found it actually went better on Momentum than v-power.
I really do hope it’s as simple as that but look forward to your opinion
No mate, I've got to use a couple of tanks of V Power before re-setting it.
 

Marshy

Settled in
No mate, I've got to use a couple of tanks of V Power before re-setting it.

Sorry, I read that but then reverted back to your earlier post saying you’d get it done today hopefully!
It’s been a long day and my brain did t register
 
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terminator x

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Ok.
I spoke to a Revo technician, Chris, who was very knowledgeable, professional and patient.
Apparently my car is set on 95 ron, the lowest setting, because I use Momentum but when I've run a couple of tanks of V Power then the setting will be raised to 98 ron, 100 Ron being the highest setting. Revo trialled their engines on V Power and said that I'd get better gains so that's what I'm gonna do. At the moment my car will be between 440-450 bhp but with the more consistent V Power, it should make 480-485.
Chris said the Momentum ron can fluctuate whereas V Power is more stable..

I'll give it a go..
£1.30 a litre vs £1.50 though ... deep pockets needed!

TX.
 

FBF01

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My car runs Momentum (99ron) and APR have me on the 98ron map...all’s good :icon thumright: as per the dyno :friendly wink:
 

D0C

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I'm sorry, but Revo are talking complete b0ll0x. I rate them well but no idea why they have your car set on 95 RON when you're using Momentum 99. As @Powerenhancer commented in great detail, he's never seen Momentum drop below 99 RON. Also, MRC are very happy with it and I've had no issues.
 

E15

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I'm sorry, but Revo are talking complete b0ll0x. I rate them well but no idea why they have your car set on 95 RON when you're using Momentum 99. As @Powerenhancer commented in great detail, he's never seen Momentum drop below 99 RON. Also, MRC are very happy with it and I've had no issues.

I was told it was something to do with the 'knock back'??
I've no idea but the car goes better now than stock but if there's more to have, I'll have it.
 

Phil3

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The “more to have” part will be when you have the car tuned to the 98 map... saying you have to use V Power is a load nonsense... I’d be heading back tomorrow and saying you want the 98 map loaded and stop messing around with the 95 one!
 

Slowracer

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Just my input here. I went from a stage 2 s3 which was immensely quick. I then bought a pfl rs3 got it mapped immediately of Mrc ( just what you do isn’t it! ) My s3 wasn’t slow by any means, by the time I sold it, it was approaching 400bhp whereas my rs3 came out at 428bhp but with a tonne more torque and the difference is literally night and day. This is 19 months ago but I can literally still remember getting in after the remap, noticing the difference and thinking **** a brick this is quick. I guess I’m kinda saying an s3 stage 2 is obviously a serious machine, but a mapped rs3 is totally on the next level.

A car with a good wallop of lowend torque (like the pre FL RS3) will feel fast on the the street.
 

NevMan

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The “more to have” part will be when you have the car tuned to the 98 map... saying you have to use V Power is a load nonsense... I’d be heading back tomorrow and saying you want the 98 map loaded and stop messing around with the 95 one!

Completely agree, get 98 map which is obviously going to make a difference “even” with Momentum. Surely you would do that 1st as otherwise you do two tanks of v power have map changed, notice the difference and only ever use v power.
 
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E15

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Completely agree, get 98 map which is obviously going to make a difference “even” with Momentum. Surely you would do that 1st as otherwise you do two tanks of v power have map changed, notice the difference and only ever use v power.

I like that...

But....

If I take my car to a tuning specialist and they recommend something, who am I to challenge them?

I'll speak to Chris again on Monday and see what he says ...
 

Phil3

Registered User
It’s an odd situation as they’re telling you, you should only use one tyre of petrol as seemingly the maps are very sensitive to it...

...that said, you’re currently running 99ron fuel on an 95ron map, if they are that sensitive then that can’t be a good thing?!


Of course that won’t be the case, but it’s just based on the same nonsense they are telling you... to me it sounds like they have set you to the wrong map and are trying to justify their mistake by “blaming” you for using the “wrong” type of fuel

It’s an awkward one mate, if I were you, as I’m sure you’re thinking too... i’d just want the 98 map on and away you go!
 

S3_Sanni

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Just my input here. I went from a stage 2 s3 which was immensely quick. I then bought a pfl rs3 got it mapped immediately of Mrc ( just what you do isn’t it! ) My s3 wasn’t slow by any means, by the time I sold it, it was approaching 400bhp whereas my rs3 came out at 428bhp but with a tonne more torque and the difference is literally night and day. This is 19 months ago but I can literally still remember getting in after the remap, noticing the difference and thinking **** a brick this is quick. I guess I’m kinda saying an s3 stage 2 is obviously a serious machine, but a mapped rs3 is totally on the next level.

Did you do any 0-60, 60-120 runs??


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S3_Sanni

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Going back to momentum vs v power lol.. ive never tried momentum as ive always been told v power is better.. when you guys use momentum what do you notice, better economy or does it drive better/feel quicker?


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Kristijan Sabljar

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Trying to keep up with all this . So to make summary from all this.

My rs3 was first rs3 with Revo 1 beta
Stock had 413hp/510nm
Stock 0-62mph 3.9 sec
Stock 62-124mph 9.5 sec

This car biggest enemy is heat. If iat gets up u loose timing. Loosing timing = less power.

So i tested all 95 mode (for bad fuel) 440hp . After switching 98 file car is mental like u flashed it twice.
On 95 ron car is getting heat much quicker, egt is raising so its not really good even for atock car .

98 ron i use most of time

470-480hp/580-600nm
0-60mph 3.3 average
62-124mph fastest on 15 celzius 7.8 on 28 celIus 8.0 , 35 celzius 8.2

After 10 pulls car has same performances its hot but not too hot. Also car has protection so when iat gets high timing drops = less power.

Warming car, thenleaving your car on sun parked 15 min on 30 celzius iat is 60 celsius i was shocked . So yes when u start driving it dropa but its so f... Dam sensitive to heat.

On 100 mode on 15 celzius
62-124mph 7.6 sec 7.8 sec on 22 celzius

95 ron is really weak so at least 98 i recomned. Now i did 10000km with revo and ultra happy, doing track , drag, fast road and here is 35+ now.

Any way go for log and change mode
 

Behind The Bins

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Trying to keep up with all this . So to make summary from all this.

My rs3 was first rs3 with Revo 1 beta
Stock had 413hp/510nm
Stock 0-62mph 3.9 sec
Stock 62-124mph 9.5 sec

This car biggest enemy is heat. If iat gets up u loose timing. Loosing timing = less power.

So i tested all 95 mode (for bad fuel) 440hp . After switching 98 file car is mental like u flashed it twice.
On 95 ron car is getting heat much quicker, egt is raising so its not really good even for atock car .

98 ron i use most of time

470-480hp/580-600nm
0-60mph 3.3 average
62-124mph fastest on 15 celzius 7.8 on 28 celIus 8.0 , 35 celzius 8.2

After 10 pulls car has same performances its hot but not too hot. Also car has protection so when iat gets high timing drops = less power.

Warming car, thenleaving your car on sun parked 15 min on 30 celzius iat is 60 celsius i was shocked . So yes when u start driving it dropa but its so f... Dam sensitive to heat.

On 100 mode on 15 celzius
62-124mph 7.6 sec 7.8 sec on 22 celzius

95 ron is really weak so at least 98 i recomned. Now i did 10000km with revo and ultra happy, doing track , drag, fast road and here is 35+ now.

Any way go for log and change mode
Which to me makes it even more bizarre that a Revo agent would even bother with a 95 ron file in the UK, who would sacrifice 40 bhp to save a couple of pound
 

Kristijan Sabljar

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Which to me makes it even more bizarre that a Revo agent would even bother with a 95 ron file in the UK, who would sacrifice 40 bhp to save a couple of pound
Maybe logs werent good for 98 ron abd just to be safe he decidced to do 95 mode until he changes fuel (i dont know fuel in UK which is best )
 

FBF01

Registered User
21c. Muggy. Ludicrously slow traffic. Air con on. 11.1mpg. Didnt get above 10mph for 55mins of a 60min trip home. Eventually opened up and I pretty much floored it, given it was stage 1, felt no quicker than in standard form. The intercooler is in desperate need of being replaced. Woeful!
 

Slowracer

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21c .... we’ve had above 21c in winter here.

I bought my car in winter a couple of months ago and apparently we’re heading for a hot summer, it’s not unusual for high 20s to mid 30’s, so not looking forward to being robbed of my power.

How do these cars cope in really hot climates where temps are consistently 35c+, surely Audi would have thought about design for these areas.

APR have just released their intercooler and they claim a 25hp atw increase just by bolting it in.
 

billymc92

2018 Ara Blue Facelift RS3
21c .... we’ve had above 21c in winter here.

I bought my car in winter a couple of months ago and apparently we’re heading for a hot summer, it’s not unusual for high 20s to mid 30’s, so not looking forward to being robbed of my power.

How do these cars cope in really hot climates where temps are consistently 35c+, surely Audi would have thought about design for these areas.

APR have just released their intercooler and they claim a 25hp atw increase just by bolting it in.

Yes they will claim that but will be nowhere near that if you were to chuck it on the dyno
 

FBF01

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I was up at Crail earlier and managed an 11.5 on the 1/4 mile. Slight headwind if that makes a difference ha. All 4 wheels were lighting up by all accounts at launch from those watching. Be sure to confirm exact details Monday or Tuesday. Really wanted 11.3 but hey ho

Was our performing the Revo car too with an updated intercooler. Saw him record high 11s twice and a time in the 12s. Supposedly running 485.
 

FBF01

Registered User
So my APR stage 1 car (475bhp and 505lb ft) vs a Revo stage 1 with upgraded intercooler and intake (485bhp and sure it was 475lb ft).

Best two times below.

APR
60ft 1.77
1/8 7.4@98.7
1/4 11.55@119

60ft 1.87
1/8 7.56@97.8
11.73@121

Revo
60ft 1.99
1/8 7.7@95.9
1/4 11.85@121

60ft 2.01
1/8 7.96@96.2
1/4 12.19@118.7
 

billyali86

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I was up at Crail earlier and managed an 11.5 on the 1/4 mile. Slight headwind if that makes a difference ha. All 4 wheels were lighting up by all accounts at launch from those watching. Be sure to confirm exact details Monday or Tuesday. Really wanted 11.3 but hey ho

Was our performing the Revo car too with an updated intercooler. Saw him record high 11s twice and a time in the 12s. Supposedly running 485.

FFX? I was there too and saw an rs3 going down the strip a few times
 

FBF01

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FFX? I was there too and saw an rs3 going down the strip a few times

Yeh, that’s was me! Saw you also, with the BM lot all polishing your motors on the grass. Some boy was snowflaming his motor from what looked like his boot lol. That’s commitment!
 
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