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S3 stage 2 v RS3 stage 1

E15 Aug 5, 2018

  1. billyali86

    billyali86 Well-Known Member

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    Understood, as long as your happy with it :)
     
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  3. X3man

    X3man Well known member Gold Supporter X3 M40i Carbon Black

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    agree, especially on a cooler day like under 23 deg :cold::whistle2::whip::thumbs up:
     
  4. James 123

    James 123 Active Member

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    Just my input here. I went from a stage 2 s3 which was immensely quick. I then bought a pfl rs3 got it mapped immediately of Mrc ( just what you do isn’t it! ) My s3 wasn’t slow by any means, by the time I sold it, it was approaching 400bhp whereas my rs3 came out at 428bhp but with a tonne more torque and the difference is literally night and day. This is 19 months ago but I can literally still remember getting in after the remap, noticing the difference and thinking **** a brick this is quick. I guess I’m kinda saying an s3 stage 2 is obviously a serious machine, but a mapped rs3 is totally on the next level.
     
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  5. D0C

    D0C Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team Panther Audi RS3 TTRS

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    Revo maps are going to be as good as any. @Kristijan Sabljar has been testing extensively with Revo and been getting some great times.

    I'm currently running Revo stage 1 on the TTRS and it goes very well.
     
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  6. penetrator

    penetrator Well-Known Member

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    I’ve got the Revo tune and it’s epic.
     
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  7. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member

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    Good post, amazed at those times. Can see how even a tuned 3 would struggle in the real world.

    TX.

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  8. X3man

    X3man Well known member Gold Supporter X3 M40i Carbon Black

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    Understated as always @Doc. Goes like s*** off a shovel you mean :blackrs4:
     
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  9. E15

    E15 Active Member

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    Ok.
    I spoke to a Revo technician, Chris, who was very knowledgeable, professional and patient.
    Apparently my car is set on 95 ron, the lowest setting, because I use Momentum but when I've run a couple of tanks of V Power then the setting will be raised to 98 ron, 100 Ron being the highest setting. Revo trialled their engines on V Power and said that I'd get better gains so that's what I'm gonna do. At the moment my car will be between 440-450 bhp but with the more consistent V Power, it should make 480-485.
    Chris said the Momentum ron can fluctuate whereas V Power is more stable..

    I'll give it a go..
     
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  10. dc911

    dc911 Member

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    If you go over to the gtr owners they all run momentum on their tuned cars as they have seen better results and a more consistent fuel than v power
     
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  11. E15

    E15 Active Member

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    I don't have a GTR tho... :chuncky:
     
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  13. X3man

    X3man Well known member Gold Supporter X3 M40i Carbon Black

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    A LOT of the owners in here run momentum too. Don’t know why they can’t just dial up to 98 map with you running momentum, surely it is your choice/decision
     
  14. E15

    E15 Active Member

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    Totally understand but as Revo advise V Power then I'll try it. I believe MRC recommend Momentum and if they'd mapped my car, I'd have stuck with it...
     
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  15. Marshy

    Marshy Settled in Team Sepang Audi RS3

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    So have you had your car switched over to the 98 map?
    I’d be interested to hear your opinion if it actually makes a difference switching to V-power.
    When I ran my previous Golf R stage 2 I found it actually went better on Momentum than v-power.
    I really do hope it’s as simple as that but look forward to your opinion
     
  16. E15

    E15 Active Member

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    No mate, I've got to use a couple of tanks of V Power before re-setting it.
     
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  17. Marshy

    Marshy Settled in Team Sepang Audi RS3

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    Sorry, I read that but then reverted back to your earlier post saying you’d get it done today hopefully!
    It’s been a long day and my brain did t register
     
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  18. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member

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    £1.30 a litre vs £1.50 though ... deep pockets needed!

    TX.
     
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  19. E15

    E15 Active Member

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    I don't drive it daily so it's not an issue bud..
     
  20. FBF01

    FBF01 Well-Known Member

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    My car runs Momentum (99ron) and APR have me on the 98ron map...all’s good :icon thumright: as per the dyno :friendly wink:
     
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  21. D0C

    D0C Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team Panther Audi RS3 TTRS

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    I'm sorry, but Revo are talking complete b0ll0x. I rate them well but no idea why they have your car set on 95 RON when you're using Momentum 99. As @Powerenhancer commented in great detail, he's never seen Momentum drop below 99 RON. Also, MRC are very happy with it and I've had no issues.
     
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  22. E15

    E15 Active Member

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    I was told it was something to do with the 'knock back'??
    I've no idea but the car goes better now than stock but if there's more to have, I'll have it.
     
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  23. Phil3

    Phil3 Well-Known Member Saloon Team Nardo Audi RS3

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    The “more to have” part will be when you have the car tuned to the 98 map... saying you have to use V Power is a load nonsense... I’d be heading back tomorrow and saying you want the 98 map loaded and stop messing around with the 95 one!
     
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  24. dc911

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    So if you put v power in it rather than momentum how will they know?
     
  25. Slowracer

    Slowracer Active Member

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    A car with a good wallop of lowend torque (like the pre FL RS3) will feel fast on the the street.
     
  26. X3man

    X3man Well known member Gold Supporter X3 M40i Carbon Black

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    Completely agree, get 98 map which is obviously going to make a difference “even” with Momentum. Surely you would do that 1st as otherwise you do two tanks of v power have map changed, notice the difference and only ever use v power.
     
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  27. E15

    E15 Active Member

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    I like that...

    But....

    If I take my car to a tuning specialist and they recommend something, who am I to challenge them?

    I'll speak to Chris again on Monday and see what he says ...
     
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  28. Phil3

    Phil3 Well-Known Member Saloon Team Nardo Audi RS3

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    It’s an odd situation as they’re telling you, you should only use one tyre of petrol as seemingly the maps are very sensitive to it...

    ...that said, you’re currently running 99ron fuel on an 95ron map, if they are that sensitive then that can’t be a good thing?!


    Of course that won’t be the case, but it’s just based on the same nonsense they are telling you... to me it sounds like they have set you to the wrong map and are trying to justify their mistake by “blaming” you for using the “wrong” type of fuel

    It’s an awkward one mate, if I were you, as I’m sure you’re thinking too... i’d just want the 98 map on and away you go!
     
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  29. S3_Sanni

    S3_Sanni Active Member VCDS Map User

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    Did you do any 0-60, 60-120 runs??


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  30. S3_Sanni

    S3_Sanni Active Member VCDS Map User

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    Going back to momentum vs v power lol.. ive never tried momentum as ive always been told v power is better.. when you guys use momentum what do you notice, better economy or does it drive better/feel quicker?


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  31. Kristijan Sabljar

    Kristijan Sabljar Well-Known Member

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    Trying to keep up with all this . So to make summary from all this.

    My rs3 was first rs3 with Revo 1 beta
    Stock had 413hp/510nm
    Stock 0-62mph 3.9 sec
    Stock 62-124mph 9.5 sec

    This car biggest enemy is heat. If iat gets up u loose timing. Loosing timing = less power.

    So i tested all 95 mode (for bad fuel) 440hp . After switching 98 file car is mental like u flashed it twice.
    On 95 ron car is getting heat much quicker, egt is raising so its not really good even for atock car .

    98 ron i use most of time

    470-480hp/580-600nm
    0-60mph 3.3 average
    62-124mph fastest on 15 celzius 7.8 on 28 celIus 8.0 , 35 celzius 8.2

    After 10 pulls car has same performances its hot but not too hot. Also car has protection so when iat gets high timing drops = less power.

    Warming car, thenleaving your car on sun parked 15 min on 30 celzius iat is 60 celsius i was shocked . So yes when u start driving it dropa but its so f... Dam sensitive to heat.

    On 100 mode on 15 celzius
    62-124mph 7.6 sec 7.8 sec on 22 celzius

    95 ron is really weak so at least 98 i recomned. Now i did 10000km with revo and ultra happy, doing track , drag, fast road and here is 35+ now.

    Any way go for log and change mode
     
  32. Behind The Bins

    Behind The Bins Well-Known Member

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    Which to me makes it even more bizarre that a Revo agent would even bother with a 95 ron file in the UK, who would sacrifice 40 bhp to save a couple of pound
     
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  34. Kristijan Sabljar

    Kristijan Sabljar Well-Known Member

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    Maybe logs werent good for 98 ron abd just to be safe he decidced to do 95 mode until he changes fuel (i dont know fuel in UK which is best )
     
  35. Phil3

    Phil3 Well-Known Member Saloon Team Nardo Audi RS3

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    Mistake by the agent?
     
  36. FBF01

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    21c. Muggy. Ludicrously slow traffic. Air con on. 11.1mpg. Didnt get above 10mph for 55mins of a 60min trip home. Eventually opened up and I pretty much floored it, given it was stage 1, felt no quicker than in standard form. The intercooler is in desperate need of being replaced. Woeful!
     
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  37. Slowracer

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    21c .... we’ve had above 21c in winter here.

    I bought my car in winter a couple of months ago and apparently we’re heading for a hot summer, it’s not unusual for high 20s to mid 30’s, so not looking forward to being robbed of my power.

    How do these cars cope in really hot climates where temps are consistently 35c+, surely Audi would have thought about design for these areas.

    APR have just released their intercooler and they claim a 25hp atw increase just by bolting it in.
     
  38. billymc92

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    Yes they will claim that but will be nowhere near that if you were to chuck it on the dyno
     
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  39. FBF01

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    I was up at Crail earlier and managed an 11.5 on the 1/4 mile. Slight headwind if that makes a difference ha. All 4 wheels were lighting up by all accounts at launch from those watching. Be sure to confirm exact details Monday or Tuesday. Really wanted 11.3 but hey ho

    Was our performing the Revo car too with an updated intercooler. Saw him record high 11s twice and a time in the 12s. Supposedly running 485.
     
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    So my APR stage 1 car (475bhp and 505lb ft) vs a Revo stage 1 with upgraded intercooler and intake (485bhp and sure it was 475lb ft).

    Best two times below.

    APR
    60ft 1.77
    1/8 7.4@98.7
    1/4 11.55@119

    60ft 1.87
    1/8 7.56@97.8
    11.73@121

    Revo
    60ft 1.99
    1/8 7.7@95.9
    1/4 11.85@121

    60ft 2.01
    1/8 7.96@96.2
    1/4 12.19@118.7
     
  41. Kristijan Sabljar

    Kristijan Sabljar Well-Known Member

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    I did with Revo 1 all stock 11.4 and 60 ft 1.88 which is bad. On vbox i got 10.98 with colder weather and warmer tires
     
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  42. billyali86

    billyali86 Well-Known Member

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    FFX? I was there too and saw an rs3 going down the strip a few times
     
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  43. FBF01

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    Yeh, that’s was me! Saw you also, with the BM lot all polishing your motors on the grass. Some boy was snowflaming his motor from what looked like his boot lol. That’s commitment!
     
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