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S3 stage 2 v RS3 stage 1
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I could feel the difference with stage 1, much better than stock, but this is about an S3..
I did about 30 miles this morning with a stop halfway through so wouldn't expect heat soak or any other soak tbh and maybe it didn't happen and that the S3 was just ****** quick.
I'm no technician, don't log anything and just drive the thing.
I like my car, I like the way it goes now but I was just surprised it didn't leave the S3 in acceleration that's all.
I'll speak to the dude tomorrow to see if he was sand bagging and I'll have a chat with Revo as I'm not disappointed with cars stage 1..
I can feel a new bike coming on. .
Coming from a MK7 Golf R Apr stage 2 to my pfl I found the RS3 much slower.
I think my pfl is equivalent to a stage 1 Golf R.
Your car being 400 bhp standard you should’ve been somewhere between stage 1 + 2 but to be stage 1 you should’ve pulled away.
The S3 tuned the same as the R and the extreme most it’d make is 410-415bhp but more than likely 390-400bhp
Seems odd to be so close unless your cars making a bit less than expected.
I think my pfl is equivalent to a stage 1 Golf R.
Your car being 400 bhp standard you should’ve been somewhere between stage 1 + 2 but to be stage 1 you should’ve pulled away.
The S3 tuned the same as the R and the extreme most it’d make is 410-415bhp but more than likely 390-400bhp
Seems odd to be so close unless your cars making a bit less than expected.
Daz’s stage 2 Apr made 393
Think Apr quote 389 so somewhere around those figures.
Revo are much less.
Think Apr quote 389 so somewhere around those figures.
Revo are much less.
Wow didn’t realise the S3 was only 381!!!
You should’ve ripped him a new ********,
Think I’d be getting my money back and trying Apr.
You should’ve ripped him a new ********,
Think I’d be getting my money back and trying Apr.
Stage 2 Golf R’s/ S3’s are 11.7-11.8 best at 115-117mph or so. Stock facelift RS3 car should be doing it in the same time, around 11.7 at around the same terminals.
Stage 1 FL cars on 99 octane should be doing the 1/4m in 11.1-11.2 at around 124-125.
Difference between an 11.1 @ 125mph and 11.7 @ 116 is significant. People see 0.6secs of a difference and think “oh there’s not much of a difference then” - At what time was the quicker car doing 116mph or how much additional time would the slower car need to reach 125mph?
Regardless, Stage 2 2.0t cars are just stock RS3 quick.
If a Stage 1 FL RS3 is struggling to pull away then something somewhere is amiss. (Clearly)
Dyno figures are just bollo*s. Stopped wasting my money on them many years ago. Vbox, Dragy and timeslips and terminals are much more reliable.
Stage 1 FL cars on 99 octane should be doing the 1/4m in 11.1-11.2 at around 124-125.
Difference between an 11.1 @ 125mph and 11.7 @ 116 is significant. People see 0.6secs of a difference and think “oh there’s not much of a difference then” - At what time was the quicker car doing 116mph or how much additional time would the slower car need to reach 125mph?
Regardless, Stage 2 2.0t cars are just stock RS3 quick.
If a Stage 1 FL RS3 is struggling to pull away then something somewhere is amiss. (Clearly)
Dyno figures are just bollo*s. Stopped wasting my money on them many years ago. Vbox, Dragy and timeslips and terminals are much more reliable.
What about getting the car on a dyno somewhere to see what it is producing?
A least you’d know and could make any decisions from there.
A least you’d know and could make any decisions from there.
What was your 1/4m time again? Are you not the guy that was confused with his oil temp readings vs IAT’s a month or so back? Comparing your oil temps against someone with a FMIC? If so, please bow out of this discussion gracefully.
I actually find this thread comical as it indirectly proves the point that needs proving and you guys are arguing Black is White pretending you know what you’re talking about.
I have a friend with a Stage 2 Golf R, I’ll try get a video of us together from a 30-130 to show you the difference between a Stage 1 2.5t vs a Stage 2 2.0t.
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Stage 1 is a big difference. My car pulls like a train now. However, as @Leo-RS says, the standard intercooler is very poor.
As for the stage 2 S3's, I've seen them running low 3's to 60mph and they'll probably be in the 8's to 100mph. A stage 1 RS3 could have as little as half a second advantage which when trying to test two cars on the road from a roll can be down to reaction time, and would also mean you're not going to walk away from the S3.
Add in the fact that the S3 I assume has a decent intercooler and can do repeated runs in high temps without unduly affecting performance, against an RS3 with an engine that is known to run very hot, even when tootling along, and I'm not surprised it was close.
Finally, when I had my stage 1 PFL I came up against what I assumed at the time to be a stage 2 FL S3 (certainly not standard, modded exhaust and loud etc) and we had to get up to some extreme speeds* before I could even pull a few car lengths on him.
In summary @E15 I wouldn't be disappointed or surprised. If you're so inclined, get an intercooler upgrade. It'll give an extra 10-20bhp and will mean all that power whatever the weather
Oh, and your car will sound 100x better than that terrible sounding engine in the S3/Golf R's!
*private track
I think you'll find you are the one that made all the presumptions, if you recall. I knew exactly what I was talking about.
Just because you write increasingly long replies, doesn't make them any more credible than what anyone posts on here.
No, you were mystified with oil temps not intake air temps. (You need to log these with VCDS) But let’s not go there.
That’s true, my opinion is just that, an opinion but it is based on tens of hours of logging the car with VCDS to see what the maps are doing behind the scenes.
Voorhees, no bun fight. If there’s any doubts of an intercooler there are some facts and figures below in the links.
APR...
https://www.goapr.com/products/intercooler_mqb_25tfsi_rs3.html
Or this one from Forge...
https://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/Intercooler_for_Audi_TTRS_8S_2017_Onwards--product--1636.html
E15, no, it won’t at those temps.
Summer is near ending so come October time onwards heatsoak won’t be as much of an issue in the U.K.
Over and out on this one
Who said anything about racing?
Is there a law against roll on comparisons on an empty road?
Leave it out mate......
Video evidence required else it’s waffle lol
So you just drive around sensibly 100% of the time?? Me thinks negative
Very odd (in my opinion) comments. You appear to be the 1st that thinks Stage1 is a waste of time and money. Bizzare comments about equipment not coping, and then comparing 5 pot to lighter 4 pot with Stage2...apples and pearsBut I wasn't doing 'runs', I was driving on the road!
Getting stuck behind cars and other traffic and certainly not accelerating flat out for no more than a few seconds, so I stick to my opinion.
If an FL RS3 intercooler cannot cope with a stage 1 during 23 degree ambient temperatures it has been a waste of time and money!
Why offer something that the oe equipment cannot cope with?
***. I only commented on my surprise that the S3 wasn't 'blown away', and how come a standard S3 intercooler had no such issues?
Jesus H Christ..
I said that it SEEMS to be a waste of money IF the oe intercooler can't cope with temperatures over 23 degrees..
So in your superior opinion, would you expect a lighter, 4 pot stage 2 S3 to stay with a stage 1 RS3?
I certainly wouldn't...
Apples and pears my ****...
jeez, take a chill pill. just think it is weird that you are saying OE IC "can't cope" with temp over 23 deg.
Was the car not pulling anymore?
Not superior at all mate, on the contrary, I know f'all. but I would expect (again only my opinion) a decently tuned S3 or R or similar 4 pot to more or less stick with Stage1 RS3, until you really get some open road/track etc. Roundabout to roundabout, with traffic etc, not really going to "pull away"
Anyway, I will get back in my box
Was the car not pulling anymore?
Not superior at all mate, on the contrary, I know f'all. but I would expect (again only my opinion) a decently tuned S3 or R or similar 4 pot to more or less stick with Stage1 RS3, until you really get some open road/track etc. Roundabout to roundabout, with traffic etc, not really going to "pull away"
Anyway, I will get back in my box
I think Doc summed it up well. A stage 2 s3/MK7R HO is a ****** fast road car. I've seen 11.5-11.6 1/4 mile times plenty of times and low 3s 0-60. It doesn't surprise me that at normal driving speeds there wouldn't be much difference.
I think if the S3 had upgraded IC and ambient temps high would have had big advantage too. After reading this I looked up APR and their Upgraded IC gained 26hp and lbs over stock on stage 1 tune. If I was wanting to push car harder in the summer months on stage 1 RS3 I'd definitely be upgrading the IC and that comes from someone running stock IC on stage 2 HO tune on MK7R. I have scan gauge and monitor my inlet temps on that and no point pushing car when temps over 25 deg c IMO.
I'm in Aust and have E85 readily available so if I had RS3 it would be E85 tune with upgraded IC and intake. I have no doubt that would be incredible.
I think if the S3 had upgraded IC and ambient temps high would have had big advantage too. After reading this I looked up APR and their Upgraded IC gained 26hp and lbs over stock on stage 1 tune. If I was wanting to push car harder in the summer months on stage 1 RS3 I'd definitely be upgrading the IC and that comes from someone running stock IC on stage 2 HO tune on MK7R. I have scan gauge and monitor my inlet temps on that and no point pushing car when temps over 25 deg c IMO.
I'm in Aust and have E85 readily available so if I had RS3 it would be E85 tune with upgraded IC and intake. I have no doubt that would be incredible.
I’ve been putting my stage1 against the following:
2017 911 911.2 GTS 450bhp
2017 M4cp 525bhp
2016 M3 430bhp
2014 Lotus Exige S 370bhp
2010 911 997 GT3 440bhp
All these cars are owned by friends and all races have been from Dig and from 2nd and 3rd gear pulls, all a win for the RS3 and most of them comfortable too, the closest test was the 2017 GTS that was about a car length in it but that’s more than likely down to Porsche superior aerodynamics.
2017 911 911.2 GTS 450bhp
2017 M4cp 525bhp
2016 M3 430bhp
2014 Lotus Exige S 370bhp
2010 911 997 GT3 440bhp
All these cars are owned by friends and all races have been from Dig and from 2nd and 3rd gear pulls, all a win for the RS3 and most of them comfortable too, the closest test was the 2017 GTS that was about a car length in it but that’s more than likely down to Porsche superior aerodynamics.
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I'm the most chilled person you'll never meet chook but it's just that, again, I wrote IF the intercooler can't cope..
If it can't cope then a stage 1 is a waste of time and money imo. What's the point of having 50-80 bhp available IF the oe intercooler can't cope and the system reels back the increased power?
Even the UK gets over 23 degrees most years..
Still waiting for the dyno graph but having spoken to Ecotune this morning, the car made 503lbs ft... 
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I can understand the s3 keeping pace if your car was standard but if you are mapped then something is not right.
But then people expect the difference between a 380 and 480 car to be massive on the road, its not. Not until you get to some silly speeds anyway
But then people expect the difference between a 380 and 480 car to be massive on the road, its not. Not until you get to some silly speeds anyway
