S3 8V vs S3 8P3 Stage 2+

[Forbzeeee]

Hi all,

Sorry if this question has been asked but I couldn't find a conclusive answer using search.

My question is how does the new S3 8V compare to an S3 8P3 Stage 2+? Has anyone made the move from old to new? If you have owned, or been in both then I'd really appreciate your feedback.

My current car is a 3 door DSG 8P3 running Stage 2+ and I am approaching 3 years of ownership therefore need to get something new(er). I have test driven the S3 8V but it is hard to compare. The new one feels more nimble and sure-footed but how would it compare head to head?

My local dealer is currently looking for an 8v for me but I need to take my car back to standard before selling so I do not want to go through all of that (plus the expense of having the upgrades removed) to be underwhelmed.

Looking forward to your feedback.

 

[coddy85]

I'm not so sure about direct comparison. Don't forget for as little as £400 the 8V can be upped to ~350bhp with just the tuning box.

 

[Forbzeeee]

Good point. Do you know how this affects 0-60 times or 30-70 times? I would be good to hear from anyone running a tuning box. Was the difference night and day in the same way it was going from standard S3 8p to Stage 1?

 

[coddy85]

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/its-gone-even-quicker-audi-s3-0-60-3-59-0-100-8-45.230041/

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/audi-s3-performance-figures-vbox-pbox-1-4m-thread.221569/

Have a look here, Leo has gone seriously fast! A good read all the way through.

 

[veeeight]

This thread talks more about comparisons between the 8P and 8V platform, it's more than just engine power....
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/honest-opinions-8p-s3-v-8v-s3.208508/

 

[Forbzeeee]

Thanks Coddy85 and Veeeight.

 

[Forbzeeee]

I've read both threads and I am now more unsure than I was before. Still can't find any stage 2+ owners who have purchased an S3 8v. I am loving Leos thread though.

I am just about to spend £35k vs keeping mine which is already paid off and still puts a smile on my face when I drive it but its 5 years old and warranty expires in Jan.

Veeeight, what did you have before your 8v? I am guessing you had a v8 at some point too but can't imagine moving from v8 to this

 

[tankclark]

Revo 2+ S3 (daily settings) vs S3 (8v):

 

[veeeight]

Veeeight, what did you have before your 8v? I am guessing you had a v8 at some point too but can't imagine moving from v8 to this

I had a MY2011 S3 8P Black Ed. I don't regret the move to the 8V.

 

[Dazzeroo]

I've had two stage 2+ 8P's and ive now ordered an S3 saloon which doesn't arrive until March unfortunately.

Ive test driven the 8V S3 hatch and would say the performance is comparable (to a stage 2+ 8P) to be honest. The power delivery of the 8V however is incredibly linear in comparison to the older model.

I would love to have a go in a mapped 8V and will undoubtedly map mine when I get it

 

[RobH_S3]

I used to have a stage 2+ Cupra okay not an S3 but same engine and quicker than an 8p once up and moving. Ive had my S3 mapped now and it has a full tbe and it would be at least as quick as my cupra even once up and moving so deffo quicker then a 2+ S3.

I think realistically a stock 8v would be similar to a stage 1 8p S3 or a stock RS3. A stage 2+ 8p would leave a stock 8v with out doubt.

Where are you based can have a run in mine if you like?



Looking at that video id say maybe a stock 8v would comparable to stage 2ish. The mk6 gets a jump because it cheats with the beeps but the mk7 flys past 80mph+

 

[veeeight]

^ When are we getting a review of the Unicorn map please

 

[RobH_S3]

Shortly want some vbox results to back things up but the weather isnt playing ball and ive just been busy

 

[A3_Rider]

What a dilemma for you!

I had the 8P 3.2 instead of the S3 so no tuning possible otherwise I would have had the S3 and definitely modded. A bit older now so won't be doing any mods.

If you're looking at purely engine performance the stage 2 should be on par if not ever so slightly better than a stock S3, however once you start mods on the 8V it enters a whole new territory, just take a read of the threads linked.

If it was me, I would'nt bother, the 8P S3 DSG is still plentiful performance, nice and new looking. I changed car as mine was past 7 years and felt tired of me!

 

[s3_trev]

Revo 2+ S3 (daily settings) vs S3 (8v):

Is that supposed to be a standard 8v? If so there is something not quite right with that..

 

[RobH_S3]

Yeah it's an 8v with rubbish interior and different body work...

 

[s3_trev]

I've had two stage 2+ 8P's and ive now ordered an S3 saloon which doesn't arrive until March unfortunately.

Ive test driven the 8V S3 hatch and would say the performance is comparable (to a stage 2+ 8P) to be honest. The power delivery of the 8V however is incredibly linear in comparison to the older model.

I would love to have a go in a mapped 8V and will undoubtedly map mine when I get it

Really? Is there not a good 50bhp difference advantage to the 8P Stage 2+?

 

[RobH_S3]

Really? Is there not a good 50bhp difference advantage to the 8P Stage 2+?

Its not all about power though is it? The new S3 is 100kg lighter than the previous 8p. Still a stage 2+ 8p would be quicker then an 8v definitely.

 

[Dazzeroo]

Really? Is there not a good 50bhp difference advantage to the 8P Stage 2+?

The 8Ps were both manual cars and somewhat heavier...the 8V auto is a very quick car indeed from the factory, you only need to look at the performance stats

 

[Vtec Abuser]

I agree with Rob - Stage 2+ 8P would definitely be quicker than stock 8v. That vid isn't accurate at all and I heard that the S2+ car was on default settings (ie B0 F0 T0), so not worth paying attention to IMO.
This gives you a better idea (albeit Golf 7R's).






One question to the OP - Surely if you have a fairly heavily modded 8P then you have plans to mod the 8v if you buy one?!?! If so then I can't see what your dilemma is tbh. The 8v obviously has a much better platform to build from and a simple map makes it as quick (if not quicker than the S2+ 8p). Any mods over that are just a bonus!

 

[Forbzeeee]

The 8Ps were both manual cars and somewhat heavier...the 8V auto is a very quick car indeed from the factory, you only need to look at the performance stats

My 8P is auto

 

[Bronquito]

I had an S3 8P HB tunned with Revo Stage 2+. Now I have an S3 8V sedan chipped with Revo Stage 1. From de begining, before REVO, the new one seems quicker for me than the "old one". I don't miss it at old. Is just another car, other specs... Evolution.