Facelift RS3 Lowering options

V6_Man

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I think I have found the reason for the knocking. The plastic casing on the front springs was taken off before they were fitted. They said the originals didn’t have it so they thought it should come off. Have the wheels professionally aligned this morning and they told me this had been done. Booked in for Monday to get this sorted.

Interesting as I was going to create a new thread to ask for some opinions. My A3 is 8V, Sportback Sport but without Sport suspension. It is neither am S or an RS but have had this creaking noise issue at low speeds especially on these ones:

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The car has been with Oxford Audi 4 times since I bought it in April and is going in again on 21st. I can see that the car has the plastic casing however, as you mentioned removing it will make the car creak like a bit*h. I am considering lowering as an option maybe on Pro-Kit.

My question to you us dudiwering fix the issue for you, what did you do to fix it.


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larbel

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I think I have found the reason for the knocking. The plastic casing on the front springs was taken off before they were fitted. They said the originals didn’t have it so they thought it should come off. Have the wheels professionally aligned this morning and they told me this had been done. Booked in for Monday to get this sorted.

I highly doubt that's the reason, but keep us posted if it fixes it? The plastic casing is there to prevent creasing when going over bump etc, but not a certain must... And you're experiencing low speed creasing WHILE turning? My installer did everything correctly and with the rubber sleeve intact, but mine's still making the clicking sound when turning at very low speed, even after replacing the strut mount and bearing on 2nd check. It's actually a pretty wide spread problem for SOME lowering springs and pretty sure I just found the reason after going back and forth with Eibach Germany, I have the fix, but waiting for back stocked new bearings just in case, will post if it's the case if I'm able to fix it then.
 
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Car fitted without spring sleeve was noisy as hell when turning the wheel at low speed/standstill
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Sleeve fitted to spring and car is quiet
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Justin Whitehouse

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Thanks. I have to drive 140 miles to MRC on Tuesday but can’t get the springs done until the afternoon. Will this apart from the noise do any damage, doesn’t make any noise when driving at any speed?
 

larbel

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Car fitted without spring sleeve was noisy as hell when turning the wheel at low speed/standstill
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Sleeve fitted to spring and car is quiet
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Would have to disagree, the sleeve is there as a pre-caution, majority of the lowering springs out there H&R, VWR, 034 etc etc, none of them come with sleeves and not necessarily make any noise at lower speed/standing still when turning, the sleeves are there to eliminate possible VERTICAL movement creaking, it just has nothing to do with turning, and certainly won't be noisy as hell without. There's a simple logical explanation for the clicking/creaking noise at low speed turning which I'll post once I have confirmation after the bearing comes in... Not trying to be a smart a$$, but there's a reason why I can't post now...
 

Justin Whitehouse

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Would have to disagree, the sleeve is there as a pre-caution, majority of the lowering springs out there H&R, VWR, 034 etc etc, none of them come with sleeves and not necessarily make any noise at lower speed/standing still when turning, the sleeves are there to eliminate possible VERTICAL movement creaking, it just has nothing to do with turning, and certainly won't be noisy as hell without. There's a simple logical explanation for the clicking/creaking noise at low speed turning which I'll post once I have confirmation after the bearing comes in... Not trying to be a smart a$$, but there's a reason why I can't post now...
Why not.
 
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T-800

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Would have to disagree, the sleeve is there as a pre-caution, majority of the lowering springs out there H&R, VWR, 034 etc etc, none of them come with sleeves and not necessarily make any noise at lower speed/standing still when turning, the sleeves are there to eliminate possible VERTICAL movement creaking, it just has nothing to do with turning, and certainly won't be noisy as hell without. There's a simple logical explanation for the clicking/creaking noise at low speed turning which I'll post once I have confirmation after the bearing comes in... Not trying to be a smart a$$, but there's a reason why I can't post now...

Maybe you aren’t trying to be a smart ****.....am not bothered.

However I have first hand experience of the RS3 with these pro springs fitted without the sleeve and it does indeed make noise when turning the wheel.
At low speed and indeed at a standstill.
As soon as the sleeve is fitted the springs make no noise.

Even some MSS now come with the sleeve
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larbel

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Maybe you aren’t trying to be a smart ****.....am not bothered.

However I have first hand experience of the RS3 with these pro springs fitted without the sleeve and it does indeed make noise when turning the wheel.
At low speed and indeed at a standstill.
As soon as the sleeve is fitted the springs make no noise.

Even some MSS now come with the sleeve
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Not really sure if we’re talking about the same noise, and honestly, that’s really not what these sleeve are for, mine has the sleeve and it’s still making the creaking at low speed turns... but as long as it works for you :)
 
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Not really sure if we’re talking about the same noise, and honestly, that’s really not what these sleeve are for, mine has the sleeve and it’s still making the creaking at low speed turns... but as long as it works for you :)

I understand what you are saying about the vertical issue and why the sleeve is there, all I’m saying is in my experience when these sleeves are left off the RS3 eibach pros the noise from the steering at low speed and indeed at a standstill is terrible, it can be heard inside the car and when you turn the wheel with your fingers touching the spring, you can ‘feel’ the noise through the spring coil your fingers are touching........
 

larbel

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I understand what you are saying about the vertical issue and why the sleeve is there, all I’m saying is in my experience when these sleeves are left off the RS3 eibach pros the noise from the steering at low speed and indeed at a standstill is terrible, it can be heard inside the car and when you turn the wheel with your fingers touching the spring, you can ‘feel’ the noise through the spring coil your fingers are touching........

I totally get what you’re saying too, and I know it’s your experience and understanding, but the sleeve might not have been the cause of your noise neither is my supposedly fix, low speed turning noise could be the top nut not tighten to spec giving the bearing and spring some play and the noise.. So, it might have been when you install the sleeve you also tighten it enough to eliminate the play but not cause of the sleeve... Just my 2 cents...
 

Justin Whitehouse

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I have the Sportsline not the Pros but don’t suppose this makes any difference. There are other things to check on mine and they are being looked at this morning now so will report back. Thanks for all the thoughts.
 
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I totally get what you’re saying too, and I know it’s your experience and understanding, but the sleeve might not have been the cause of your noise neither is my supposedly fix, low speed turning noise could be the top nut not tighten to spec giving the bearing and spring some play and the noise.. So, it might have been when you install the sleeve you also tighten it enough to eliminate the play but not cause of the sleeve... Just my 2 cents...

Top nut torqued up both times.

Second time only difference was the plastic sleeve, noise stopped.

There is no play in the spring or top bearing once the strut is reassembled properly.
 

larbel

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Top nut torqued up both times.

Second time only difference was the plastic sleeve, noise stopped.

There is no play in the spring or top bearing once the strut is reassembled properly.

There’s a purpose for each component, all I’m saying is the sleeve is for vertical movement creaking, there’s just no mechanical connection for these sleeve to have been able to elminate any turning noise... just saying... bottom line, you’re all set, that’s what it counts right? Am really not trying to stir up or argue on anything, I’ll just stop here hehe
 
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There’s a purpose for each component, all I’m saying is the sleeve is for vertical movement creaking, there’s just no mechanical connection for these sleeve to have been able to elminate any turning noise... just saying... bottom line, you’re all set, that’s what it counts right? Am really not trying to stir up or argue on anything, I’ll just stop here hehe

I agree Larbel

Sleeves are to stop slap/drag

All my point was ever stating is that I found leaving the sleeve off caused them to make noise.

Even eibach technical said the sleeve must be left on and in the exact position it is shipped in, which is pretty much where the factory foam cup inset finishes the sleeve starts and goes around 1 full coil.....

I was surprised too by how the sleeve made such a difference to the turning motion of the strut, when in reality the spring is fixed into the strut, probably the fact that the bottom 2 coils are rubbing as the strut pivots /angle changes and the sleeve stops them rubbing.....
 

Justin Whitehouse

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So I now have the sleeve on both front springs and it has made a massive difference but still have a slight noise on the left hand side when stationary/slow moving. I’m hoping that I can bed it in by taking it for a good run tomorrow both to and from MRC....
 

Justin Whitehouse

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Well the creaking issues are still there but I think I have found the answer or at least the Audi tech told me of a raised issue by Audi on this problem which sounded very plausible. If you look the image, part 3 has the issue so the fix is to grease the top of this and the bottom of the mounting and supposedly this resolves the issue...... Told I don't have to dismantle to do this so will jack the car up lift the dust casing and apply the grease. Fingers crossed this works but makes far more sense than the bearings being worn on a car that has done 4000 miles...............
 

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FBF01

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Emmanuele Springs fitted earlier today
 

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FBF01

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Looks much better!

Yeh. Does look good. Was thinking of raising the rear 5mm as the front gap does look slightly bigger in comparison , but chuffed with the result
 
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Better photo here...
 

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Bazz-RS3

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Does anyone have any experience with vibrations after lowering and mounting spacers 10mm each side? I mounted a H&R set with H&R spacers but when doing 150km/h the car vibrates.
 

MaxBoostMRC

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Does anyone have any experience with vibrations after lowering and mounting spacers 10mm each side? I mounted a H&R set with H&R spacers but when doing 150km/h the car vibrates.
That sounds like the wheels are out of balance.
 

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1664Hatter

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Same issue on mine. Plastic sleeves fitted but making the same noise as above at very low speed/turning the wheel at standstill..

Anyone manage to fix this?
 
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