Facelift RS3 FL Depreciation

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Have any facelift owners dared brave to find out what their car is worth trade price?

As we all know, the RS3 if you keep it for the full 3/4 year term has very strong residuals, £26k and £23k respectively which going from the base £45k price represents a healthy retained value. 57% retained value after 36 months, no complaints there.

However, something very strange has happened in the RS3 market over the last few months and intial trade prices have literally fallen off a cliff.

The trade price for a 4 month old RS3 Saloon on the Audi valuation tool in excellent condition is £35,300, £34,000 for good and £32,800. We buy any car are coming in below all of those.

There are now sub £40k cars being listed on Audi used. WTF. (Albeit a poverty spec car)

What on earth is going on? How can a 4 month old RS3 be worth £35k trade when the 36 month residual is £26k? That essentially means the bulk of the depreciation has already happened and there’s only £9k left to fall for the remaining 32 months.

Audi offered virtually no discounts and some poor buggers have spent £55k on them without any kind of discount. These cars now are worth to the trade only £35k having dropped £20k from list price only 4-5 months ago. I suspect with a good spec however, Audi dealers would probably stretch a few £k over and above that £35k figure.

It’s almost like someone at CAP have entered the figures wrong, the trade prices come from somewhere and everyone else just jumps on the bandwagon.

Of course, this doesn’t mean anything much to those that are planning on keeping their cars for the full term. Perhaps those that chose the PCP path will infact need to use the protection of their initial strong GFV’s and those that have paid cash with no GFV protection are at risk of depreciation keeps plummeting how it has been doing.

Reading the latest discount thread, some people are managing 10%+ off the cars now, probably the reason why this initial depreciation has fallen off a cliff.

No real purpose to the thread other than the shock should you dare find out what Audi would give you back for your car.

If you’re planning on selling the car then it looks like the private sale will be your only sensible option.
 
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Blimey. I thought PFL RS3's were just about to dip under £30k.

Must be a blip. If not, they represent a superb used buy.
 
I personally think the RS3 is over priced and dealers have bought in bulk filling their allocation hoping to sell them at fullish list, but because they are so expensive people just cant justify/afford them so there is a glute, new cars have to be registered and sold on, used cars have to go to shift the newer cars and so on.
 
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Trying to look at trade in prices for cars that new are always going to make your eyes water... you’ve paid the new car price so you’re going to take a huge hit selling this early... as you would with any car! Seems a bit of an odd one to try and work out prices now... unless you are actually in a position to sell up
 
Trying to look at trade in prices for cars that new are always going to make your eyes water... you’ve paid the new car price so you’re going to take a huge hit selling this early... as you would with any car! Seems a bit of an odd one to try and work out prices now... unless you are actually in a position to sell up
I think Leo is just making the point that trade in prices seem even more brutal than in the past and as perhaps would have been expected.

Looks like a £10-15k hit at least after just a few months ownership.

I'm sure RGB will stick the blame squarely at the Brexit door. Throw in perhaps an oversupply following the positive reviews in the press and voila.
 
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I think Leo is just making the point that trade in prices seem even more brutal than in the past and as perhaps would have been expected.

Looks like a £10-15k hit at least after just a few months ownership.

I'm sure RGB will stick the blame squarely at the Brexit door. Throw in perhaps an oversupply following the positive reviews in the press and voila.

Yep I get that mate... I think while cars can still be ordered new, and while Audi have pre registered cars sitting on their forecourts then prices are never going to be the best... just my personal thoughts anyway haha
 
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Yep, exactly Doc. It’s just an observation that it seems much worse than normal.

Normal is not a £52k spec car (which most of the decent cars are) dropping to £35k in 4-5 months. Even if you got a basic bog standard car with no options, it’s still a £10k drop from £45-35k. In addition, bare in mind the very strong 3-4 yr residuals on the RS3 making it even more bizarre. They can’t possibly fall much more as they would then get out of sync with where Audi are pricing them in 2020/2021.

It’s also relevant for those that may need to sell early for whatever reason or for those who have insured without gap. Crash the car and you could be up sh*t creek.

TTRS’s for example are valued at £42-43k from their initial £52k base price after 18 months.
 
As I have found myself potentially back in the market I have been looking at replacements - I have not seen any FL cars below £40k - those that were close to it were pure vanilla spec.

Mind you, the difference between the FL and PFL performance is so minor I would be looking at a PFL 16 plate in the early £30s compared to a poor spec FL.
 
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Only the insane would sell a car bought from new at less than 6 months old though?!

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I personally think the RS3 is over priced and dealers have bought in bulk filling their allocation hoping to sell them at fullish list, but because they are so expensive people just cant justify/afford them so there is a glute, new cars have to be registered and sold on, used cars have to go to shift the newer cars and so on.
I wish this were the case, but we have one spec car I have seen in the city, every other one has been a factory order
 
The ones with a similar specification : electric seats, advanced key, top speed increase etc are all launch Audi demonstrater models.

If your considering one of these then the cost to the dealers was approximately 38k - May help your negotiation.
 
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2 yeas ago i checked when mine was about 5 months old. It was still worth about the same as i paid then the drop started to happen.
 
As I have found myself potentially back in the market I have been looking at replacements - I have not seen any FL cars below £40k - those that were close to it were pure vanilla spec.

Mind you, the difference between the FL and PFL performance is so minor I would be looking at a PFL 16 plate in the early £30s compared to a poor spec FL.

I beg to differ the FL is faster, recently drove a PFL and it's lazy in comparison.
 
Can only speak about where i stay and is meant to be the oil capital off europe but you see a lot off Rs3 old and new and i woukd say at least 98% are all pcp and not owned .
 
I can't imagine there is that much difference and, having been on a spirited drive with Dan, there didn't appear much lag tbf.
 
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I beg to differ the FL is faster, recently drove a PFL and it's lazy in comparison.
Lazy in its handling? Certainly in a straight line there's nothing in it. I couldn't tell any difference. Mine was dyno'd at 383ps and you can't realistically notice that difference on the road.
 
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Only the insane would sell a car bought from new at less than 6 months old though?!

TX.

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You calling me insane? :p

Actually it was 9 months - and my car sold quickly within a week gone from the Audi used cars listing.
 
You calling me insane? :p

Actually it was 9 months - and my car sold quickly within a week gone from the Audi used cars listing.
I think TX was talking about the nosebleed depreciation taking it off the forecourt only to do the same again 6 months later.....
 
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How do you get onto the Audi used car listing please . Cheers

Actually someone should hack the Audi site so we can list our own cars! But that’s not what I meant unfortunately I PX with the dealer but was keeping an eye on the listing.

My cars list price was £53,565. I have done 4000 miles and just plugged it into Audi valuation tool and came out with £35,200. I believe my GFV is £21,113 after 4 years and 52k miles.
 
Audi valuation here..

https://www.audi.co.uk/used-cars/part-exchange.html

This is what any Audi dealer will give you as a minimum and you can use this when negotiating. It’s the best valuation tool and beats WBAC and others hands down.

As the cars are so new, I guess the majority would fall into excellent condition.
 
Can only speak about where i stay and is meant to be the oil capital off europe but you see a lot off Rs3 old and new and i woukd say at least 98% are all pcp and not owned .

Lol, do those cars on finance wear a PCP badge on the back ;)

Even millionaires lease and finance their cars whilst keeping their capital earning money. There’s pros and cons to both ways of purchasing a car, cash vs finance. With what I’ve seen so far on the depreciation front, those Audi GFV’s may well need to be relied on if they keep taking a battering.

I think the cars will even out now though, they obviously can’t drop below PFL RS3 trade prices and they need to maintain a gap above S3 trade prices. I suspect the £35,200 valuation for all these 67 reg cars will likely be very similar in a further 6 months time.
 
Just plugged mine in for a laugh - £35,200 in excellent condition. £32,700 in average - I would say mine is below average given what has happened to it! £20k depreciation on that tool (aptly named in my opinion) in 3 months. This is just an Audi service to set you up to be ripped off in px discussions. A disgrace.
 
It is a disgrace but unless you sell privately or to a smaller independent trader you’re pretty much screwed.

For a car with a £50k+ spec, I would think you could probably get £40-42k for it through a number of smaller independent dealers who are happy to make smaller profits on. No denying that the higher spec cars are all being listed still at £45k+, smaller independent dealer might purchase for £42k and sell for £46k whereas Audi would purchase for say £38k and sell for £46k+

As said though, if you ride out the term depreciation is actually pretty good and the above is irrelevant.
 
I think part of the problem is Audi appear (for once) are struggling to shift cars in the volumes that they have been used to.

I think that for the last few years they have been in the driving seat with long lead order books up to 6 / 7 months and they could dictate.

Now the market has changed, not so many people buying and this is hitting thier target / historic sales.

I have been bombarded in the last 6 months from Audi with marketing campaigns and invites to change our cars.

Clearly some of this may hit residuals too.
 
I think the cars will even out now though, they obviously can’t drop below PFL RS3 trade prices and they need to maintain a gap above S3 trade prices.
I think part of the issue is the change in car tax rules. It’a a pretty big change in tax for the first five years of ownership, and we are clearly still talking about that time frame. I’m not sure I could justify a car costing over 40k in the new regime.

ETA: this impacts the relative running costs of new / nearly new FL versus slightly older PFL and hence secondary market value in my opinion.
 
I think part of the issue is the change in car tax rules. It’a a pretty big change in tax for the first five years of ownership, and we are clearly still talking about that time frame. I’m not sure I could justify a car costing over 40k in the new regime.

ETA: this impacts the relative running costs of new / nearly new FL versus slightly older PFL and hence secondary market value in my opinion.


Good point - that is another factor for sure.

How much is the car tax on a FL RS3 - circa £500 per year ?

That is crazy considering FL owners only pay £280 per year.
 
I can't imagine there is that much difference and, having been on a spirited drive with Dan, there didn't appear much lag tbf.
I purposely left a 2 second gap Tony:tearsofjoy:
But boy did we light up the dartford tunnel that afternoon :boom::boom:
 
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Yes, car tax on the facelift is £140 with an additional £310 supplement for the first 5 years of ownership.

A complete pis*take if you ask me as when the cars are worth £26k at 3 yrs, a new owner is penalised for the initial list price of the car exceeding £40k once upon a time many moons ago. This will no doubt affect the market later on down the line. Just now, not so sure really, if someone was considering FL vs PFL would an extra £170 pa tax put them off?
 
As a test, I listed my car on Tootle to see what independent traders would offer for my car. Tootle's guided price is £34-35k and it gives you a warning that you're asking too much but nevertheless I wanted to test.

Car List price November 2017 - £52,500
Audi valuation price March 2018 - £35,200

Due to the high spec on my car, 75% of traders come in over book price with offers between £37-39k.
20% offered bang on what Tootle suggested at £34k. This included SSC (Shak's Specialist Cars) - I was so infuriated by this offer that I wanted to mail them as when I went onto their website they have a near identical specced car for sale at £53k.

https://www.s-s-c.co.uk/used-audi-rs3-cars-in-yorkshire

So they wanted to buy my car at £34k and put it straight on their forecourt at £53k. Now I know traders need to turn a little profit, but that's a £19k difference there. Robbing bast*rds.

I then had a few calls from Audi dealers in the south of England with the best offering £42k for my car and he was honest and said he would relist at £47,500. (Now that I don't mind as by the time they paid for a driver. picked the car up, fuel, advertising fees and any other associated costs in turning it to Audi used and then the negotiation of the new buyer, they would probably only make £3-4k off my car)

Still though, the above exercise shows that even selling to the trade, some dealers will appreciate its worth. Audi Synter group offered £42k on my car with the Audi valuation tool giving a £35,200 valuation.

Privately, if you can be ar*ed waiting on attracting a cash buyer then again you could probably get a bit more.
 
As a test, I listed my car on Tootle to see what independent traders would offer for my car. Tootle's guided price is £34-35k and it gives you a warning that you're asking too much but nevertheless I wanted to test.

Car List price November 2017 - £52,500
Audi valuation price March 2018 - £35,200

Due to the high spec on my car, 75% of traders come in over book price with offers between £37-39k.
20% offered bang on what Tootle suggested at £34k. This included SSC (Shak's Specialist Cars) - I was so infuriated by this offer that I wanted to mail them as when I went onto their website they have a near identical specced car for sale at £53k.

https://www.s-s-c.co.uk/used-audi-rs3-cars-in-yorkshire

So they wanted to buy my car at £34k and put it straight on their forecourt at £53k. Now I know traders need to turn a little profit, but that's a £19k difference there. Robbing bast*rds.

I then had a few calls from Audi dealers in the south of England with the best offering £42k for my car and he was honest and said he would relist at £47,500. (Now that I don't mind as by the time they paid for a driver. picked the car up, fuel, advertising fees and any other associated costs in turning it to Audi used and then the negotiation of the new buyer, they would probably only make £3-4k off my car)

Still though, the above exercise shows that even selling to the trade, some dealers will appreciate its worth. Audi Synter group offered £42k on my car with the Audi valuation tool giving a £35,200 valuation.

Privately, if you can be ar*ed waiting on attracting a cash buyer then again you could probably get a bit more.

So the moral of this story is NEVER EVER buy a car from S S C !!
 
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I think part of the problem is Audi appear (for once) are struggling to shift cars in the volumes that they have been used to.

I think that for the last few years they have been in the driving seat with long lead order books up to 6 / 7 months and they could dictate.

Now the market has changed, not so many people buying and this is hitting thier target / historic sales.

I have been bombarded in the last 6 months from Audi with marketing campaigns and invites to change our cars.

Clearly some of this may hit residuals too.

This is the point . The mkt for cars is slowing , all be it from tremendous levels over last few years . Interest rates are moving higher all be it subtly. There is over supply as manufacturers adapt to the new level of demand . Once the stock has cleared ( some people will bag a good deal ) prices will normalise . So as others have pointed out , over 2 or 3 years of ownership no real impact . You need to get out tomorrow ? You will be impacted relatively to where we were a few months ago . So don’t write it off without GAP or if you need your job to pay for it don’t upset the boss . Other than just keep driving it , my view .


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When I was looking to change my golf gti pp at 1yr old I got offered 16k by bmw and 17k by vw the book price on the car was 37k yet vw had a golf gtd on their forecourt for 24k that was 6 month older and 10k miles more than mine! Wbac said it was too new but I put the details in a few days back and they offered 20k and it’s now 2yr old when u order my car next September 2019 for March 2020 it will be 4yr old and even 4yr old cars are fetching 17k

Moral of the story is don’t sell within first 2yrs stick it out no matter what so you don’t get shafted!
 
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So the moral of this story is NEVER EVER buy a car from S S C !!
I remember when a mate of mine was looking to buy an 8P S3 a few years back, he was beaten to quite a few decent spec private sale cars by SSC. They were going straight up on their website for a good few £k more and in some cases above dealer prices!
 
I remember when a mate of mine was looking to buy an 8P S3 a few years back, he was beaten to quite a few decent spec private sale cars by SSC. They were going straight up on their website for a good few £k more and in some cases above dealer prices!
Not anymore!
 
The 'trade price' you are quoting is based off CAP Clean which doesn't take any spec into account.

I've seen a few facelift cars in auction recently and they've made £4 - 5k over CAP with half decent spec.

Remember virtually every dealer has a demo at the moment as well so there certainly is an influx of cars in the current market place which will always distress price.
 

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