Revo Stage 1 tuned A4 B9 2.0TSi v Stock B9 S4 - Impressive!!

Revo Steve-W

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Hi Steve
Is there a release date for the 3.0 tdi 272ps remap or any info

Thanks
 

Revo Steve-W

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Hi Steve
Is there a release date for the 3.0 tdi 272ps remap or any info

Thanks

We don't work to release dates, software is released as soon as development completed globally and we are 100% happy, more than often on newer models, we are awaiting the complete stock files from Audi for development too, before we can start.

Also, because we create full files which are ECU I.D and version specific, rather than generic, we'll need to know your exact ECU I.D and version number from your own car.

I would advise visiting your local Revo dealer, and asking them to check your ECU I.D/version number and seeing if we have developed the file for your car yet and if not, then they'll be able to update you once it is available - http://www.revotechnik.com/dealer-locator
 

Daggerit

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I think it's impressive performance from that remap, but also think that the S4 was sandbagged a bit... Everyone I've spoken to has found that the S4 is faster than stated figures but this saloon seems to be slower than the quoted figures somehow (0-62pmh is 4.7s stock so should be even less to 60)? My stock Avant is faster than this when measured with a V-box, for example.

I'm not putting down the actual product or performance gained, just that the comparison seems a little off is all. And that I look forward to the S4 software if that's the gains you manage out of the 2.0T. Just don't compare it to an RS6 and say it's faster once the software is released... :tonguewink:
 

Revo Steve-W

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I think it's impressive performance from that remap, but also think that the S4 was sandbagged a bit... Everyone I've spoken to has found that the S4 is faster than stated figures but this saloon seems to be slower than the quoted figures somehow (0-62pmh is 4.7s stock so should be even less to 60)? My stock Avant is faster than this when measured with a V-box, for example.

I'm not putting down the actual product or performance gained, just that the comparison seems a little off is all. And that I look forward to the S4 software if that's the gains you manage out of the 2.0T. Just don't compare it to an RS6 and say it's faster once the software is released... :tonguewink:

Yes, it's very impressive and this was just Stage 1, Stage 2 is now underway.

It was good to show our A4 B9 development car against our out the box S4 for comparison, whilst we had our S4 to hand, real wold comparisons are important.

The figures we use, are as we find, not taken from a brochure.
 

Dippy

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Yes, well done with that tune. However neither car looks like it had an aggressive start - no LC used?
 

Revo Steve-W

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I imagine you left out the 30-70 for the S4 because it was faster?

We're not saying it's quicker, however as you can see in the video, the A4 was pulling harder than the S4 and was the quicker car, the termination speed was around 120Mph, however the S4 starts to gain on the A4 120 - 140Mph upwards as has the legs, not taking anything away from the S4. We're just impressed how quick this baby A4 B9 is at Stage 1 and what better way to show this, than a real world drag race v it's big sister.
 

Revo Steve-W

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Yes, well done with that tune. However neither car looks like it had an aggressive start - no LC used?

Both were launched with LC.
It's a raw video, never looks the same as in the real world. No smoke & mirrors used here.
 

terminator x

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Now that would be most annoying if pulled up at a set of lights!

TX.

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Daggerit

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Less power .Less torque and heavier car .....! Didn't add up

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Hence why I asked the question. Also fewer gears so I'd have thought that would allow more acceleration from the S4? Don't know the distance in this video but people are running 12s quarters at 112mph in the S4 saloon so by that maths the 2.0T should run high 11s? Not sure that really adds up to me?
 

Revo Steve-W

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Less power .Less torque and heavier car .....! Didn't add up

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This is exactly why Revo develop software in the real world on the tarmac, rather than chasing numbers on a Dyno.
Higher peak numbers, do not always equate to a quicker car -
http://www.revotechnik.com/support/technical/peak-power-figures-explained

So many things to take into account, even down to wheel/tyre rolling radius.

This was just a quick video to show how good the Stage 1 A4 B9 really is once tuned with Revo Stage 1, nothing more, not a race as such or anything overly complex.

We are more than positive that the S4 B9 will see huge gains too once we complete development, putting it back in front once Revo'd.
 
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cuke2u

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I'm not interested in 0-62 figures as I feel they aren't what it is all about, it is the 30-70mph that is more like real world testing as suggested by Car_Allowance.
Is there anything for the 190ps engine?
 

france71

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These re-maps look great but what to say to your insurer? They generally want to punish these modifications hard?

Then what does Audi say when you need warranty work and they see you have been upping the engine output and putting additional stress on the car components? I think they can tell even if you remove the chip before seeing them.

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Revo Steve-W

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I'm not interested in 0-62 figures as I feel they aren't what it is all about, it is the 30-70mph that is more like real world testing as suggested by Car_Allowance.
Is there anything for the 190ps engine?

Exactly why Revo develop complete software files on track and road for drive ability, rather than chasing dyno or performance figures.
 

Revo Steve-W

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These re-maps look great but what to say to your insurer? They generally want to punish these modifications hard?

Then what does Audi say when you need warranty work and they see you have been upping the engine output and putting additional stress on the car components? I think they can tell even if you remove the chip before seeing them.

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Some insurance companies offer discount for tuned cars, as they see it that you're into cars and will care far more about your car than someone who uses it purely as a commuting tool, but as always there are so many factors to take into account, such as age, area, driving history, NCB and of course which company you go with. The likes of Flux, Sky etc are always a good starting point.

Tuning a car always comes with the possibility of forfeiting warranty, however the great thing for us having specialised in VAG cars for over 16 years, is that they are reliable and it's rare to see issues. Revo is highly developed and tested, interestingly you could purchase an Audi from North America a few years ago from the Audi main dealer which came with Revo software.

We always advise customers to stock flash their car via a local Revo dealer prior to visiting a VAG dealer, and although nobody should ever say it's warranty safe (as who knows what can change) , the fact remains that in all my years with Revo, I've never heard of a car that's had Revo and then being flashed back to stock before a dealer visit having a warranty claim rejected on it and we have over 400 dealers globally.
 

Revo Steve-W

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Audi will know when the car has been remapped through a TD1 that gets generated http://www.revotechnik.com/support/sales/is-revo-software-undetectable
What is a concern is whether the DSG DL-382 can actually handle the torque as the maximum is 400Nm, from what I have learned from page 9 here https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjcw7WJ8fzXAhXRzKQKHeSzB-8QFgg-MAM&url=https://estore.ricardo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/TNsep14.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1xs3kHqOC4-chz-e3U2QWh. This remap exceeds that.

As said, Revo do months of development and testing globally, much of which is on track and subjecting vehicles to far more abuse than they'd ever see in a life on the road, ensuring that our software will not have any adverse effect upon the mechanical components. And although they'll be able to take it, just because your vehicle is tuned, doesn't mean you have to drive it hard and abuse it 24/7.
 

cuke2u

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As said, Revo do months of development and testing globally, much of which is on track and subjecting vehicles to far more abuse than they'd ever see in a life on the road, ensuring that our software will not have any adverse effect upon the mechanical components. And although they'll be able to take it, just because your vehicle is tuned, doesn't mean you have to drive it hard and abuse it 24/7.
That goes without saying, and I personally have had two remaps and one tuning box on different vehicles. So do you guys have information on the maximum torque the 2.0l petrol engine stronic gearbox can take? It has been a matter of great debate here and in other forums..
 

Revo Steve-W

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That goes without saying, and I personally have had two remaps and one tuning box on different vehicles. So do you guys have information on the maximum torque the 2.0l petrol engine stronic gearbox can take? It has been a matter of great debate here and in other forums..

Forums are always a place of land mines and debate, as I say Revo software has undergone a lot of development time and will not have an adverse effect upon a vehicle mechanically and will be well within tolerances from our experience.

If in doubt and you are the type of person to spend your time worrying about warranty issues, or otherwise, then I would advise to leave it stock. Those who use or have used Revo or other proven software before however will only confirm what I've already said previously.
 

cuke2u

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Thanks Steve, always good to debate these kind of things...
 

Revo Steve-W

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This was just a quick video we did whilst out testing and had both cars together, nothing more, just to give an idea of how well the A4 B9 now goes.

If you have an A4 B9 2.0TSi, or even S4 B9 for that matter Revo offer a 30 day money back, return to stock guarantee, giving you 100% peace of mind and if for any reason at all you are not completely satisfied, we'll refund you. Simple as that.
 

Revo Steve-W

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Video doesn’t make sense tho when the b9s4 saloon times at 4.2s to 60 on a Vbox

Does it matter what the figures are, as those will always differ and open to many factors, as I've said it was to show how well the Revo'd Stage 1 A4 B9 goes and was a good way to show such when we had both cars on the runway. Both cars were standing start, LC used etc.
Not sure why it can't just be accepted that, yes that's cool the A4 has good legs on it, end of story.
 

Spaceman_RS3

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Does it matter what the figures are, as those will always differ and open to many factors, as I've said it was to show how well the Revo'd Stage 1 A4 B9 goes and was a good way to show such when we had both cars on the runway. Both cars were standing start, LC used etc.
Not sure why it can't just be accepted that, yes that's cool the A4 has good legs on it, end of story.
It’s your video that makes a a big deal of the number Steven
 

cuke2u

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As steve is saying, a good remap is not about numbers it is about drivability. The video is just illustrative because how else can you show a comparison between a perfomance car with that of remapped ordinary saloon..
 

Revo Steve-W

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As steve is saying, a good remap is not about numbers it is about drivability. The video is just illustrative because how else can you show a comparison between a perfomance car with that of remapped ordinary saloon..

Thank you for being on the same page:peace:
 

Spaceman_RS3

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As steve is saying, a good remap is not about numbers it is about drivability. The video is just illustrative because how else can you show a comparison between a perfomance car with that of remapped ordinary saloon..
By posting the correct times.
 

cuke2u

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The times are what Audi state, I guess you can be pedantic and say the s4 can do quicker times than that but what the hell. It is illustrative.
As I said before, it is the 30-70 times that would be more 'real world'.
 

Daggerit

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And I'll just clarify, I have nothing against Revo at all. In fact I really like them and I'm sure that the A4 is seriously fast too! I just don't like being *potentially* misled is all, hence the push back against this video from me. So don't take it personally at all. :)
 

Revo Steve-W

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I’m not sure why you have a different page, however this is simply about putting two cars side by side in the real world, so the figures in my mind are insignificant, it’s how they actually performed that counts, which is what the video shows.

Certainly not trying to mislead anyone and stock figures again become insignificant in the real world, like we’ve heard some are saying they’ve seen a 4.2 on a stock S4.
0-60’s will differ based on the conditions, tyres, driver, all sorts of things. It wasn’t about racing the cars as such, again as said just to show how well the development is coming on.

If anyone has Revo software and is disappointed for any reason at all, yes we’d be very shocked, we offer a 30 day money back guarantee & until you’ve had Revo software on your own car & felt how good it is for yourself then no amount of looking at numbers or figures is going to come close.
 

Daggerit

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I can see what the figure confusion is now, there are two different 0-60’s quoted, depending upon models.

That's what I was going to say, you'd looked at the Avant and I'd checked the Saloon. :tearsofjoy:

Well if there's really not been any sandbagging and that's how the two cars performed on the day then I'm very interested to see how the S4 performs with a map. When that happens it would be good to see it against a stock S4 and then also against the tuned A4. :)
 

Skatman

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I know this is my first post, and I apologise for that (I'm not a troll, I can assure you), but I'm with Daggerit et al on this.

I've currently got a boring-as-hell Merc C220D and I'm waiting on the delivery of my S4 Avant, but previously I did quite a lot of work on my VW Scirocco 2.0 TSi. I had a Neuspeed P-Flo intake, Carbino Stage 2 Intake pipe, uprated engine mount inserts, a whiteline anti-lift kit, and both a Revo and APR Stage 1 remap on the car (installed at different times - obviously) - all fitted by AwesomeGTI in Irlam, Greater Manchester (who I heartily recommend for anyone by the way). My peak BHP went from around 220 stock (on a rolling road) to 265 and around 330 Lb/ft of torque. My 0-60 time went from around 6.2 stock (not the quoted 6.7 by VW) to 5.7. So I'm very familiar with the qualities and behaviours of remapping engines.

However, I find the figures in this video to be suspect because this is the S4 saloon version with a claimed 0-60 of 4.7 seconds. As with almost every single example of any VAG I've ever driven or seen, this is usually a very conservative estimate and is usually wrong, but wrong as an overestimate. Most people with the saloons I've seen are hitting 4.3-4.5 without much trouble. As a result, I really struggle to believe the 0-60 time quoted in the video for the S4.

The A4 does weigh about 120Kg less however, so this could account for some of the discrepancies.

Either way, it's an impressive performance from the A4 and I look forward to seeing the results of the stage 1 on that (perhaps something to mark down for my near-warranty expiration point).

As a side-note, I'm still waiting for my confirmation e-mail to come through to my e-mail address, as a result I can't do a proper introduction post!

Cheers,

Skat
 
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