Revo remap stage 1 complete

As3newbiE

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i thought I'd write a little review on my new remap by a local revo dealer.

Anybody who isn't sure about making the jump and having it done, trust me you will not be disappointed. My 2014 S3 8v is now an absolute animal.

The throttle response and torque is unreal, this car was quick before but now is unreal. All carried out by mg autos in Ripley (Derbyshire).

The owner who carried out the remap was brilliant (Matt) answered all my questions and gave very sound advice and knew all there was to know.

Can't wait for my new intake to arrive and my turbo muffler delete.

Regards Brett
 

Rob2k68

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Go to hear you're experience of the Revo stage 1 - couldn't agree more totally transformed my car too much more smiles per mile !!!

Was at stage 1 for 15,000 miles and it never missed a beat then finally gave into temptation and went stage 2.

Intake will help with throttle response and intake noise (and looks the mutts nuts !!!) but don't expect miracles from the TMD but it's ok for what it is and what it costs.

Would recommend a Turbo Inlet Pipe as your next mod either CTS or the Turbo Technics one which is easier to get hold of from Awesome GTI.

Revo TCU map also steps things up to the next level with better timed and smoother gear changes.
 

As3newbiE

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Did you go for the miltec down pipe and intercooler for your stage 2 upgrade.

It's all quite new to me, even though I'd like to think I'm engine savvy as much as I need to be still like to learn if I can

Regards Brett
 

Rob2k68

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Did you go for the miltec down pipe and intercooler for your stage 2 upgrade.

It's all quite new to me, even though I'd like to think I'm engine savvy as much as I need to be still like to learn if I can

Regards Brett

I did mate, Milltek sport cat down pipe to OEM system with the Revo intercooler which is direct fitting no cutting away of the bumper needed.

My mods are in my signature, if viewing on a phone turn to portrait mode to display. Feel free to ask anything though we're a helpful bunch on here ;o)
 

Forbzeeee

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Glad to hear that you're impressed. I have been Revo S1 for a few thousand miles now and agree that it has totally transformed the car. Brilliant bang for buck imo.... However, Stage 2 is calling me :)
 

Rob2k68

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Glad to hear that you're impressed. I have been Revo S1 for a few thousand miles now and agree that it has totally transformed the car. Brilliant bang for buck imo.... However, Stage 2 is calling me :)

LoL Dooooooo ittttttt !

Stage 2 = Mental midrange. You don't notice it a lot around town other then slightly better throttle response but on the open road it pulls hard and pushes you back in your seat. It's a bloomin quick car alright !!

Would recommend some sort of brake upgrade for stage 2 ;o)
 

pburv

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LoL Dooooooo ittttttt !

Stage 2 = Mental midrange. You don't notice it a lot around town other then slightly better throttle response but on the open road it pulls hard and pushes you back in your seat. It's a bloomin quick car alright !!

Would recommend some sort of brake upgrade for stage 2 ;o)
You sound like old Arnie...lol
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Rob2k68

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Does the turbo inlet pipe not come in the full mqb intake kit or am I being a complete numpty..

The silicon inlet pipe that comes with the full Revo intake goes from your air box to the turbo inlet pipe - sometimes referred to as the elbow. It's this plastic inlet pipe on the turbo itself that very restrictive. An after market non restrictive elbow will yield 9-13bhp.
 

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This is the CTS version on the left, original on the right :-

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As3newbiE

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You can visually see how the neck is far slimmer on the factory one..looks like my next purchase me thinks.

Thanks for that Rob2k68

Will get some pics up this weekend after a good clean and intake fitted
 

Rob2k68

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You can visually see how the neck is far slimmer on the factory one..looks like my next purchase me thinks.

Thanks for that Rob2k68

Will get some pics up this weekend after a good clean and intake fitted

Yeah, get some pics up :friends:
 

Forbzeeee

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LoL Dooooooo ittttttt !

Stage 2 = Mental midrange. You don't notice it a lot around town other then slightly better throttle response but on the open road it pulls hard and pushes you back in your seat. It's a bloomin quick car alright !!

Would recommend some sort of brake upgrade for stage 2 ;o)

You're a bad influence on my wallet lol...

I am just building my hardware list which looks like this at the moment:

Eibach Sportline Springs - Ordering this week
CTS Turbo Inlet - Ordering this week
Revo Carbon Air Intake -
Milltek High Flow Downpipe -

I need to decide on an Intercooler and now brake upgrade.

@Rob2k68 A couple of questions for you...

What made you choose a Revo IC over Wagner?
Did you notice the difference made by the Revo Turbo Muffler Delete? Was it just throttle response and sound or power gains too?
Did you test your car with just the Eibach Sportlines or did you get the ARBs done at the same time? Which of the two made most difference?

@As3newbiE Sorry to hijack your thread but I am hoping answers to the questions above will be beneficial for you too :)
 

Rob2k68

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You're a bad influence on my wallet lol...

I am just building my hardware list which looks like this at the moment:

Eibach Sportline Springs - Ordering this week
CTS Turbo Inlet - Ordering this week
Revo Carbon Air Intake -
Milltek High Flow Downpipe -

I need to decide on an Intercooler and now brake upgrade.

@Rob2k68 A couple of questions for you...

What made you choose a Revo IC over Wagner?
Did you notice the difference made by the Revo Turbo Muffler Delete? Was it just throttle response and sound or power gains too?
Did you test your car with just the Eibach Sportlines or did you get the ARBs done at the same time? Which of the two made most difference?

@As3newbiE Sorry to hijack your thread but I am hoping answers to the questions above will be beneficial for you too :)

:nogarors4: Car is going to be epic :salute:

The Revo I/C is direct fit so no cutting away of bumper - it's also £150 cheaper which almost paid for the installation ;o). It's a fairly big job and your air con will need to be re-gassed, can be done without but bit more fiddly.

TMD gained marginal response and noise, with my boost/charge hoses intake noise was already quite loud - could have more of an impact on its own or in combination with intake elbow.

I have another Revo MQB carbon intake for sale - £120. Check it out in the for sale thread in this section think it's one of the stickies.

Sportlines were a great mod, gave the car a decent stance and improved handling but most of all cut 90% of the bounce out - is yours a Sportback ? Also still work well with mag ride and 19s

ARBs went on about a year later but made just as much of a change, wish I'd had them on earlier. It's most cost effective to have them done together while the fronts disassembled and you'll also only pay for laser alignment just the once. Some say you only need an uprated rear ARB to reduce the understeer but I went for the pair again Eibach as they're linen lined poly bushes and two position adjustable.
 

Forbzeeee

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Thanks for your reply, very useful info!!

Mine is a 3dr hatch. As the TMD is only £80 I might as well get that done as well as the intake elbow and carbon intake. I am definitely going for sportlines (I have got to eliminate some of that bounce) but need to decide on the ARBs... It does make sense to do them together though.

Looks like I will be going for a Revo IC too. Cheers @Rob2k68
 

Rob2k68

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Revo TCU (Transmission Control Map) is also worth doing for stage 1 or 2 - much smoother and better timed gear changes now the engine and gearbox are talking the same language! Clutch plate clamping pressure is increased and no more annoying kickdown when in manual mode.
 

prt57

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You're a bad influence on my wallet lol...

I am just building my hardware list which looks like this at the moment

Revo Carbon Air Intake -

My son had the Revo carbon intake on his Golf 7R and he was disappointed. Even though he fitted it carefully, a number of rub marks appeared on the carbon fibre from other pieces of hardware. In the end he sold it.
You can get a similar effect regarding getting air directly into the filter box by cutting out the blanked off sections in the oem front unit above the grill with a drill or a dremel then smoothing with a file. Once back in the car you cannot see where you have been working but you can push your fingers through the opening exactly the same as the left hand side that feeds cold air to the engine. At the end of the day if you want to return the car to original, the oem air scoop costs about £26.00 which is a lot less than the Revo part. Also he now uses the turbo technics TIP
 

Forbzeeee

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I don't mind the hijack, nice to hear about different views and products.

On a good note, just purchased my cts turbo inlet pipe, 2nd hand, 1 month old off eBay £85..

Bargain
That is a bargain indeed. Let me know if you notice the difference after you've installed it.
 

As3newbiE

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Yes I thought it was, seeing as it was roughly £160 for a new one direct from cts..

Will do, my full mqb carbon intake and revo tmd should arrive Tommorow so I'm hoping to fit all 3 on Sunday.

Follow this with a wash and some pics, weather dependant
 

scoss

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I've been thinking about getting a DTUK box but now having second thoughts which brought me to search for old threads such as this.

I have a Revo garage that is also a VAG specialist. However they don't have a rolling road. Is the RR essential for a S1?

Lastly in terms of selling your car on, would this not harm the resell value? Plus the inability to get a warranty for it should the new owners wish?
 

jungle650

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I've been thinking about getting a DTUK box but now having second thoughts which brought me to search for old threads such as this.

I have a Revo garage that is also a VAG specialist. However they don't have a rolling road. Is the RR essential for a S1?

Lastly in terms of selling your car on, would this not harm the resell value? Plus the inability to get a warranty for it should the new owners wish?


If you want to chase numbers use a Rolling Road. However....For the Revo tune you do not need to visit a RR. The map is generic however I would expect them to take a few runs out in the car on the road to data dump and check everything is as expected and potentially tweak where necessary. aka Street tune. The map will give you all the drivability you will need. Everyone who has used them seems very pleased.

Selling your car is an interesting point and one which is often overlooked or not discussed at length.

For sure a mapped car is going to appeal to a smaller demograhic than a stock car. The benefit of using a recognised tuner, whether that be Revo or someone else is that people who are looking for a type of tuned car, will know its been done properly with good support and back up. (Unicorn / MRC etc for me also fall into this category). The reason why so many choose Revo is the excellent reputation they have, both from R&D perspective, world wide dealer support and the free software updates. Therfore hopefully negating any turbo/ engine issues where a warranty might be very important. So in short a mapped car will have a smaller demographic, therefore might be valued less, but you will enjoy it more whilst you own it, and if completed with a known Tuner with quality parts etc its more likely to have a decent value- as you will have done the things that a future buyer would potentially want, with respected parts/ maps. Cars can ofcourse be flashed back to stock as well for future resale. However there is a caveat.

Warranty.

A mapped car can be flashed back to stock but that will show at the main dealer ODIS system ( I think thats what its called) , yes cars get flashed when updated by an Audi dealer but those are tracked and recorded. Those done by a tuner are not. 99% off the time it will make zero difference, however its always that 1% and that mythical forum thread post that everyone clings to/ is worried about. This may or may not cause a warranty issue and continues to be a discussion point across many forums. Thats the main reason many people go down the tuning box DTUK / JB1-4 /MTM/ ABT route. But in short if you change anything from stock on a car you could have a problem with that component warranty or related part, most dont, but if in any doubt / financial concern leave well alone.

Mechanical Sympathy

Another area people often over look. If you rag a car from day one, from cold startup, constant launches etc you are increasing chances of mechanical failure. Look after a car and treat it well , feed it quality fuel and you stand a better chance of having a reliable , trusted car which will be easier to live with and potentially sell at a future date.

Its horses for courses, but Revo is one of the good / better options which are available if you are thinking of tuning a car.

Jungle
 
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Rob2k68

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If you want to chase numbers use a Rolling Road. However....For the Revo tune you do not need to visit a RR. The map is generic however I would expect them to take a few runs out in the car on the road to data dump and check everything is as expected and potentially tweak where necessary. aka Street tune. The map will give you all the drivability you will need. Everyone who has used them seems very pleased.

Selling your car is an interesting point and one which is often overlooked or not discussed at length.

For sure a mapped car is going to appeal to a smaller demograhic than a stock car. The benefit of using a recognised tuner, whether that be Revo or somone else is that people who are looking for a type of tuned car, will know its been done properly with good support and back up. The reason why so many choose Revo is the excellent reputation they have, both from R&D perspective, world wide dealer support and the free software updates. Therfore hopefully negating any turbo/ engine issues where a warranty might be very important. So in short a mapped car will have a smaller demographic, therefore might be valued less, but you will enjoy it more whilst you own it, and if completed with a known Tuner with quality parts etc its more likely to have a decent value- as you will have done the things that a future buyer would want, with respected parts/ maps. Cars can be flashed back to stock as well for future resale. However there is a caveat.

Warranty.

A mapped car can be flashed back to stock but that will show at the main dealer ODIS system, yes cars get flashed when updated by an Audi dealer but those are tracked and recorded. Those done by a tuner are not. 99% off the time it will make zero difference, however its always that 1% and that mythical forum thread post that everyone clings to/ is worried about. This may or may not cause a warranty issue and continues to be a discussion point across many forums. Thats the main reason many people go down the tuning box DTUK / JB1-4 /MTM/ ABT route. But in short if you change anything from stock on a car you could have a problem with that component warranty or related part, most dont, but if in any doubt / financial concern leave well alone.

Mechanical Sympathy

Another area people often over look. If you rag a car from day one, from cold startup, constant launches etc you are increasing chances of mechanical failure. Look after a car and treat it well and you stand a better chance of having a reliable , trusted car which will be easier to live with and potentially sell at a future date.

Jungle

Good post Jungle.

My oil temp is at least 80 before getting heavy with my right foot ! The latest revision of the Revo map has safeguards build it and will limit boost until the oil has reached its optimal temperature.

I've only ever launched it once - it's much more fun getting it rolling so the car beside you has 3/4 car length on you then applying the gas LoL.

On a tuned engine be kind. I change my oil every 6,000 miles and have replaced the plugs with NGK race plugs that run one step cooler. Haldex oil and brake fluid have also been replaced well ahead of the service schedule.
 

scoss

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Thanks for your incite. I would really like to experience the extra performance with my 150 8v.
I intend to keep the car for quite a few years. It's only done 50k and I'm really happy with it. Warranty aside I would opt for a real remap with a well known company such as REVO as opposed to a tuning box. I don't exactly kane the car so I'm never gonna abuse it.
My heart is saying get the remap but my head is staying keep stock. But I'm thinking I'd miss out on so much fun!
 

scoss

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Good post Jungle.

My oil temp is at least 80 before getting heavy with my right foot ! The latest revision of the Revo map has safeguards build it and will limit boost until the oil has reached its optimal temperature.

I've only ever launched it once - it's much more fun getting it rolling so the car beside you has 3/4 car length on you then applying the gas LoL.

On a tuned engine be kind. I change my oil every 6,000 miles and have replaced the plugs with NGK race plugs that run one step cooler. Haldex oil and brake fluid have also been replaced well ahead of the service schedule.

Would you recommend an oil change every 6k with a stage 1 map? Also how often do you have to get revo updates and are they free? Are these optional? Or is this revo refining the existing map?
 

Rob2k68

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Would you recommend an oil change every 6k with a stage 1 map? Also how often do you have to get revo updates and are they free? Are these optional? Or is this revo refining the existing map?

I use Castrol Edge long life so it's me being a bit OCD but look at the posts on servicing and you'll see that's it's very inconsistent on the service intervals for when Audi will change the oil.

The updates are very rare to be honest due to the lengthy test and development program and Revo only releasing a product when they are 100% happy with it. Never had an update to my stage 1 map but I 've had one update on my stage 2 map which was due to a discovery during stage 3 development which allowed them to increase the mid range torque.
 

scoss

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I use Castrol Edge long life so it's me being a bit OCD but look at the posts on servicing and you'll see that's it's very inconsistent on the service intervals for when Audi will change the oil.

The updates are very rare to be honest due to the lengthy test and development program and Revo only releasing a product when they are 100% happy with it. Never had an update to my stage 1 map but I 've had one update on my stage 2 map which was due to a discovery during stage 3 development which allowed them to increase the mid range torque.

Ok, out of interest the whole warranty issue does not concern you?

I assume you'd totally recommend the stage 1? How much did it add to your insurance?
 

Rob2k68

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Ok, out of interest the whole warranty issue does not concern you?

I assume you'd totally recommend the stage 1? How much did it add to your insurance?

I've had a door latch replaced under warranty :tearsofjoy:

Yeah it's a risk but you may never use your warranty but it's there in case. As has been said many times before once you modify things be prepared to waiver your warranty on that particular system - there's always the option to flash back to standard but there is no cast iron guarantee that Audi won't question anything.

I plan on keeping my car 3 years maybe more holding out for the next platform rather than the face lift or RS3 route so it won't have a warranty at time of sale. I have every single petrol receipt showing that it's had Tesco Momentum fuel in it, receipts for every mod and a spreadsheet showing at what mileage each were installed. Where work was not done by myself (suspension, downpipe and intercooler) then I have invoices from VAG specialists that have done the work rather than the local back street garage. This and a main dealer service history should hopefully demonstrate to a potential new owner that the car has been cherished and beyond well maintained.

Stage 1 totally transforms the car its hard to put into words the extra ooomph it gives whilst still maintaining OEM smoothness and drivability. It's chalk and cheese - when I had my map taken off a week before it's first service I really didn't enjoy the car. So now I have a car the stops, corners and goes far better than it ever did, yep at a fair bit of cost it also serves as a hobby, but everyday I really enjoy driving it and it just keeps getting better and better.

Edit: oh yeah insurance, mine went up by £150. Some companies let you get to 370bhp without any extra charge it really depends who you are with.
 

scoss

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I've had a door latch replaced under warranty :tearsofjoy:

Yeah it's a risk but you may never use your warranty but it's there in case. As has been said many times before once you modify things be prepared to waiver your warranty on that particular system - there's always the option to flash back to standard but there is no cast iron guarantee that Audi won't question anything.

I plan on keeping my car 3 years maybe more holding out for the next platform rather than the face lift or RS3 route so it won't have a warranty at time of sale. I have every single petrol receipt showing that it's had Tesco Momentum fuel in it, receipts for every mod and a spreadsheet showing at what mileage each were installed. Where work was not done by myself (suspension, downpipe and intercooler) then I have invoices from VAG specialists that have done the work rather than the local back street garage. This and a main dealer service history should hopefully demonstrate to a potential new owner that the car has been cherished and beyond well maintained.

Stage 1 totally transforms the car its hard to put into words the extra ooomph it gives whilst still maintaining OEM smoothness and drivability. It's chalk and cheese - when I had my map taken off a week before it's first service I really didn't enjoy the car. So now I have a car the stops, corners and goes far better than it ever did, yep at a fair bit of cost it also serves as a hobby, but everyday I really enjoy driving it and it just keeps getting better and better.

Edit: oh yeah insurance, mine went up by £150. Some companies let you get to 370bhp without any extra charge it really depends who you are with.

So you still have an Audi warranty and you get it taken off before each service? Don't they recognise that it's been remapped?
 

Rob2k68

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So you still have an Audi warranty and you get it taken off before each service? Don't they recognise that it's been remapped?

I left it on during the last service - nothing was said but I bet he enjoyed the test drive :tearsofjoy:

Could massively vary between Audi garages so don't take this as a given.
 

scoss

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I left it on during the last service - nothing was said but I bet he enjoyed the test drive :tearsofjoy:

Could massively vary between Audi garages so don't take this as a given.

Ha, my main issue would be paying £300 plus a year for a warranty and then it not being valid. Do revo take maps off for free and then reinstall? If not how much do they charge?
Sorry for all the questions.
 

Rob2k68

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Ha, my main issue would be paying £300 plus a year for a warranty and then it not being valid. Do revo take maps off for free and then reinstall? If not how much do they charge?
Sorry for all the questions.

No worries at all.

The Revo dealer charged me £40 total to have the map taken off, standard map put on and the Revo map to be put back on a week later just to cover their labour. I doubt this is a fixed price so best to discuss this with your local reseller.
 

deanshaw24

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:nogarors4: Car is going to be epic :salute:

The Revo I/C is direct fit so no cutting away of bumper - it's also £150 cheaper which almost paid for the installation ;o). It's a fairly big job and your air con will need to be re-gassed, can be done without but bit more fiddly.

TMD gained marginal response and noise, with my boost/charge hoses intake noise was already quite loud - could have more of an impact on its own or in combination with intake elbow.

I have another Revo MQB carbon intake for sale - £120. Check it out in the for sale thread in this section think it's one of the stickies.

Sportlines were a great mod, gave the car a decent stance and improved handling but most of all cut 90% of the bounce out - is yours a Sportback ? Also still work well with mag ride and 19s

ARBs went on about a year later but made just as much of a change, wish I'd had them on earlier. It's most cost effective to have them done together while the fronts disassembled and you'll also only pay for laser alignment just the once. Some say you only need an uprated rear ARB to reduce the understeer but I went for the pair again Eibach as they're linen lined poly bushes and two position adjustable.

The intercooler is a fairly time consuming job, but it's nice and simple if you take your time, took me about 2 hours start to finish and i didn't mess around draining the a/c gas. Just swung the condenser out the way.
 
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