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REVIEW: Tesla M3P

oliquattro Jul 23, 2019

  1. oliquattro

    oliquattro Active Member

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    Hello,

    Test drove a Model 3 Performance for about 45 mins today. Here are my thoughts. Full and honest review, no bias even though I’m getting one.

    Appearance and image:

    SUBJECTIVE VIEW; Looks great in person. Front has brilliant presence and reminds me of an old Porsche. Back end is a bit meh. Interior is minimal and very comfy, however, the white colour is not for me. I test drove the grey one; it does look better in person.

    The laminated, skeletal, glass roof is divine and adds integrity to the structure. Can also support four times the cars weight. It was extremely sunny today and I didn’t notice glare in the cabin or off the display. I usually where sunglasses but I intentionally didn’t this time. No issues there in high summer sun. May have some issues in low level winter sun reflecting off the screen but I can’t say for sure.

    If you are tall, no problem. My two passengers were 6’3” and 6’1”. The glass roof allows taller passengers more comfort as there is no headliner.

    Technology:

    Way too much to talk about. Sentry mode is very cool! The interface is so easy.

    Charging:

    With 40Amp home charger you’ll get 24 miles charge in one hour. I only do 20-30 miles a day and overnight charge 8 hours will provide around 192 miles.

    If you have no option but to plug your Tesla into a 3 pin plug (13A), then you will get 8 miles an hour. Enough to charge at a friends house for example and get home, or get to a supercharger on a long journey. However I will probably never have to visit a petrol station again apart from very long journeys.

    If you are doing over say 250 miles in a day; it will automatically guide you to a supercharger. These are ridiculously high powered and can do 80% charge in 18 minutes. You get 5000 free supercharger miles too.

    Considering you should probably take every 250 miles or so, I don’t think waiting 15 mins is an issue. Grab a Burger King. I recommend the chilli cheese bites.

    Range wise; the salesman was totally honest and said they get 250 miles out of a full charge on that demo car. He said on motorway they are easily getting 300 miles. Of course in a demo car they will demonstrate acceleration, so 250 miles is better than expected.

    Cost to charge a full tank is a few quid. In some town centres it’s free. You can also get dual tariff economy 7 at home, paying 50% less for electricity at night.

    Anyway enough of the boring stuff.

    Power:

    Unbelievable. I don’t need to go on about this and get my thread deleted again. It has to be experienced to be believed. McLaren, neck-snapping quick. Perfectly linear. Very fun but you have to be extremely switched on and responsible.

    Handling:

    I set the car to Sports handling. I didn’t go into Track Mode because didn’t want hard regeneration during the test drive which would be uncomfortable for passengers.

    It feel like a BMW 3 series. It feels solid, like a big metal unwavering block. The turn-in is dramatically sharp and virtually no body roll. It’s so sharp it reminded me almost exactly of my old BMW E90 or E82 135i (on non run flats). The chassis is solid. It feels like a German car from behind the wheel; solid, tight and refined. Similar turn-in but less body roll. Absolutely no apparent loss in traction.

    The dampers are excellent. I honestly can’t say anything negative about the handling or I would do. I can confirm the steering wheel material feels a bit cheap in your hand, but I can get over it.

    It doesn’t feel crashy or hard at all.

    Braking:

    Now this is where it suffers. The brakes are no way as sharp as my S4 for example. The weight of the car is very apparent when you brake. This is the biggest negative for me. You don’t get any dramatic movement in the chassis/suspension but you can tell the car is struggling to slow down. I’ll be honest I didn’t test the brakes very hard but they are definitely not BMW/Audi level. Mainly due the weight of the car. But like I said I didn’t stomp the pedal, just required more depression than I’m used to.

    The brakes themselves are large but probably the only thing I would modify on the car. I had the exact same feeling in the Model X; it was too fast for the brakes IMO. Stupid fast, if there is such a thing.

    Build quality:

    Overall great I couldn’t see anything poor quality.....apart from an area under the bonnet where they missed spraying inside the honeycomb structure. I can live with stuff like this, but it’s a cut corner nonetheless. Photo attached of that. There is so little to go wrong in the interior and drivetrain because everything is super minimal. Doors and handles are solid.

    Overall:

    Better than I expected. The handling and power are the winners. Braking is the only department where this Tesla will suffer compared to an equally sized car. There is one thing seeing loads of positive reviews online, but actually driving the car was sensational. It’s the most progressive car I’ve ever been in.

    Best thing about it; nobody even knows what it is. Hardly anyone even took a second glance. Maybe two people.

    I asked Tesla again about their lease prices and it’s simply cheaper to use a different company and compare prices yourself. Just the way it is.

    Anyway, don’t want to cause any problems here just give a frank and honest review about the Model 3 P because I’ve actually driven it. If this upsets anyone again I’ll delete the whole thread, it’s just a car.

    Thanks!


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  3. DaveW

    DaveW Well-Known Member

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    Thanks @oliquattro - I remember asking for a thorough review and you've delivered that and more.

    I'm glad its lived up to your expectations and hope you don't have to wait too long for yours to arrive

    It sounds great and I hope you post some pics and an update on your own vehicle

    Thanks for taking the time and effort :icon thumright:
     
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  4. oliquattro

    oliquattro Active Member

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    Thanks. Bad news: they said up to 4 months delivery.

    Good news: it’s more likely to be 6-8 weeks.

    It was better than I expected in terms of handling. Brakes were the only let down compared to a lighter car.
     
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  5. oliquattro

    oliquattro Active Member

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    Couple more pics.

    There is a boot underneath the boot! It’s super boring but yeah loads of storage space. Looks really good in black but not for me.

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  6. oliquattro

    oliquattro Active Member

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    Here are latest quotes from drive electric, they said ok to share. These are the brand new quotes with government grant included.

    TESLA MODEL 3 PERFORMANCE IN GREY, BLACK INTERIOR. No self drive, just standard autopilot.

    24, 36 and 48 month deals below. ZERO DEPOSIT.

    You can get this even cheaper if you just go for standard white colour.

    Considering the amount I spend on petrol, oil, servicing, filters, tax etc I should be much better off going for the Tesla.

    I am going for 36 month deal @ £679 per month no deposit. September delivery confirmed.

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  7. desertstorm

    desertstorm Moderator Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

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    That paint finish under the bonnet doesn't look very good to me, suppose they don't want to put too much paint on though just adds to the weight. Same kind of thing applies to the braking system really, most of the braking in normal use is done by regenerative means to recharge the battery. Having big old cast iron heavy brakes to drag around which are only used when wanting to stop really quickly just adds to the amount of extra weight the car needs to drag around.
    With that flat front and all that paint I think it would suffer from stone chips quite bad and the front number plate really looks like somebody forgot about it. The steering rim looks a little on the chunky side. Interesting to see what kind of real world mileage you get from the car especially in the winter when you are using more lights and the heater.
     
  8. oliquattro

    oliquattro Active Member

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    Yeah the only thing I would upgrade is the brakes, but as it’s a lease I wouldn’t bother and probably not allowed anyway. The regenerative braking is really special.

    I think the reason paint is missed under the bonnet is because of the honeycomb structure, it would have to be painted in two separate parts because it’s so intricate. I guess it’s welded and sprayed as one piece by robot.

    That was the only thing that looked remotely “bad quality”.
     
  9. AndrewW

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    Good to read your review!

    I managed to get a short test drive in one of these last Friday whilst with a friend (he's considering one - still an option after the test) and would echo your comments about the handling, the low centre of gravity makes for a really impressive ride and zero body roll, also the comments about the brakes, I wasn't going necessarily hard and still felt that the car was running away under braking.

    Looks wise I think they're boring as sin (a good thing to some people as you say) and still didn't enjoy the experience of driving it, the power delivery is awesome but just feels too 'clinical', I find it hard to put into words but it just lacked any excitement for me.

    I'll be honest, it's better than I was expecting, but not enough to sway me away from petrol just yet.
     
  10. El-Cap

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    I seriously considered one of these before ordering another A7.

    Things that put me off were the displays - or lack of them. Forget not having a heads up display - there is nothing behind the steering at all which really put me off. The thing that out me off most is the charging network.

    I don’t mind the looks although it inside reminds me of a concept car - it almost didn’t look like it has enough to function! I could have been tempted by a Model S but they are eye-wateringly expensive. The 3 isn’t exactly cheap either when suitably specced and the excess mileage rate is brutal!

    I think in the right circumstances it would be very good. Maybe next time for me.


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  11. A4A4

    A4A4 Owner of a Shiny Daytona

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    Just how the reg plates fit, is enough to put me off. Especially the front ones. lol
     
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  13. oliquattro

    oliquattro Active Member

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    To be fair you’d only be seeing the rear reg plates

    :)

    Sorry late reply, got the car it’s brilliant and extremely quick!!!!
     
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  14. DaveW

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    Glad you're happy with it, it'll be interesting to hear what it's like to live with in a daily basis, in terms of range/charging.
    I saw a grey one parked up yesterday and it was very nice, although I wasn't a fan of the wheels though.
     
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    Couldn’t live with that interior.
     
  16. oliquattro

    oliquattro Active Member

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    It’s brilliant. I just charge it every night at home I’ve not had to visit a petrol station in ages. Range anxiety doesn’t exist to be honest.

    I tried a supercharger and they’re super quick (and free 5000 miles). Drove to Bristol and back up north no problem.

    So cheap to fill up lmao

    I still have my S4 and it’s going back in January. I just drive it every now and then to keep it alive lol. Nowhere near as quick or exciting as the Tesla.
     
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    oliquattro Active Member

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    What interior lol?
     
  18. Andy101

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    The one I looked at had the build quality of a 1970's fiat compared with a C7 A6. Performance is quite something though. Let us know how may miles you get out of a set of rubber! Out of the question for me as range is an issue.
     
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  19. oliquattro

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    The only thing that feels shoddy on mine is the cover over the cupholder/storage area.

    I got an update recently, now does 0-60 in 2.9 seconds. Didn’t even have to pay for a remap! Cheers Elon.
     
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    If it wasn't for the range I think I could put up with the cup holder cover given the blistering performance! Do you carry sick bags?
     
  21. oliquattro

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    To be honest it terrifies my girlfriend and you can punish passengers if you accelerate without warning. Comedy car really. One friend said his life flashed in front of his eyes! Lmao.
     
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  22. DaveW

    DaveW Well-Known Member

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    I suppose its early days, but has your electricity bill gone up much?
     
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    oliquattro Active Member

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    Not sure on exact amount it’s a quarterly bill but I’ll update. I set my charger up through an Economy 7 tariff, so it charges overnight at half the rate of normal electricity.

    I can also charge during the day if I want at a slightly higher tariff (15p per kWh day vs 8p per kWh night) but I never do.

    I charge the car every couple of days overnight just to keep it topped up.

    Weird not going to a petrol station!
     
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  24. Bryant1998

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    Step dad picked up his new tesla model 3 performance last week, he took me out it in today...

    Only thing I can compare the acceleration to is rita at Alton towers! Insane, even in ‘chill’ mode it would probably do most cars in its class 3L and below.

    Build quality does actually seem very good considering the slating they’ve had on here, didn’t check the paintwork too much as it’s a bit dirty anyway seeing as weather is so ****.

    Interior really is nice though, very soft leather seats, nice suede/alcantara door inserts etc. Really feels quite premium and high tech, the gloss black centre console bits are all going to be carbon which will look nice. Also, that full panoramic roof is insane.

    Overall I genuinely think I’d have one, it rolled a fair bit in corners but then again it’s not an RS5 or C63S so it’s only to be expected from what is essentially a 3 series, but it’s a really comfy place to be and overall nice car

    [​IMG]
     
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  25. oliquattro

    oliquattro Active Member

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    Looks beautiful!

    Yeah most people who slate Tesla have never driven one. Got no issues with mine. Best car I’ve had.

    I hope he’s enjoying it as much as me!

    There is a new £2000 acceleration boost upgrade coming to the model 3. I reckon they might be pushing 0-60 in 2.2 seconds after the upgrade! It can be retrospectively installed too, kinda like an over the air remap.
     
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  26. CHEZ

    CHEZ moderately amusing Supporter

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    Heard lately that the 'leather' on the seats is in fact plastic.
    Pvc seats in a 50k car !!!!
    Put me right off my sirloin that did.
     
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    Bryant1998 Well-Known Member

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    Plastic is a broad term to be honest, they are incredibly cushioned and feel like leather, I wouldn’t complain if it was my car
     
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    It’s not as bad in the flesh as the model X (imo)
    I think it looks a bit like the Porsche panamera or whatever it’s called, it’s already ludicrously fast but I’m sure he’ll still do the upgrade
     
  29. CHEZ

    CHEZ moderately amusing Supporter

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    Yep, especially when it is lol
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    Just what a pvc seat will be like after 100k worth of sweaty ar5e miles just adds to the questionable build quality I think.

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  30. Bryant1998

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    I’m going to state the obvious here, nobody cares! Who genuinely cares that their seats are leather? If they’re comfy and feel like leather who cares?

    I’m not having a go but if people are willing to move from petrol to electric, a bit of leather won’t matter to them lol
     
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    CHEZ moderately amusing Supporter

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    Totally understand, and point taken.
    But on a 50k car with leather look seats, it's just cheap imo.
    They could be made of polystyrene for me, but I just think it just lets the quality down.
    What next? Remould tyres and wind down windows?
     
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    CHEZ moderately amusing Supporter

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    I love the Tesla 3
    Actually considered one.
    I would never buy one but would lease one as the interior and fittings are the achilles heal on this car.
    I feel they won't age too well.
    Hate to think the thing I worked hard to pay for had rattled itself loose and fell apart after 3 years, which I suspect they will.
    Time will tell.
    Also depreciation is questionable.
    Which makes leasing a good option to test the water.
    Nothing to lose
     
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  34. Bryant1998

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    Depends on the quality of the fake leather, if it doesn’t crack as much over same use as leather and is just as comfy then it’s an upgrade in my eyes. I think it really depends on how much value you put on having ‘real’ leather. By the sound of it, you value it a lot lol
     
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    CHEZ moderately amusing Supporter

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    Lol, nah just seen plastic seats in busses and cheap cars of the 80's and what happened to them over time.
    They split and stretch etc.
    Modern cars that use 'leather', like Audi's actually have a pvc coating over them.
    So technically my ar5e is actually sitting on plastic when I drive, albeit only 10 microns of it, but it's the stuff underneath that makes for a decent long lasting interior that is strong and supple that can last and won't warp in extended extreme temperatures .
     
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  36. oliquattro

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    Scraping the barrel speculating about how Tesla’s synthetic “Pleather” will wear after 100K miles.

    Who cares. My lease is 10,000 pa anyway lol and under warranty.

    Sorry to go off topic. But I also ordered a Cybertruck, tri motor. Should be funny, no?
     
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    Who cares about leather seats? I'd have thought most people would prefer leather over pvc although perhaps that is the vegan option given the #climatemergency ;)

    TX.

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  38. CHEZ

    CHEZ moderately amusing Supporter

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    Never actually had hands on experience with a Tesla.
    Hey @oliquattro , what's the weight of the doors like?
    Do they feel substantial?
    Do they make a nice noise?
    It's these little things I like
     
  39. Bryant1998

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    Don’t think I explained myself fully, I don’t like car seats except for full leather. When shopping for my S3 I tried the half alcantara half leather seats and hated them. What I mean is if it feels like leather and is good quality, then the only bonus of a real leather seat is the fact you can say it’s ‘real leather’
     
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    All that matters is that they are wipe clean. Nibbling away at a 2 second 0-60 will undoubtably lead to passenger 'accidents'.

    In many ways Tesla are leading the pack, pushing boundaries. In years to come leather will be increasingly niche. Get used to it. It is now an option on the 2020 A6 rather than standard.

    Some of the synthetic leather on the market these days is superb. The vast majority of punters would not know the difference.

    ................................... ............... .....................VV with full leather :) VV
     
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  41. oliquattro

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    Honestly who gives a sh** what material their bum touches? Poo comes out of it.

    It’s part of Tesla’s design ethic to not use leather. You get compensated by having a car that will destroy pretty much everything on the road.

    At no point do I get in my supercar-slaying Model 3 and think “oh I miss leather”. That’s what my sofa is for :)
     
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    CYBERTRUCK THOUGH!

    Sorry again to go off topic but...

    CYBERTRUCK!!!
     
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    ^^ Can't argue with that fella.
     

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