R8 diesel

Amchlolor

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My own definition of 'supercar' isn't the likes of an R8,911 etc.
They're too affordable (relatively..) and common.
So 'supercar', to me, means some multi-hundred thousand pound piece of exotica I'm only likely to see on the telly, or at a show.
911's are pretty common up here, as are R8's (the local dealer has, allegedly, sold the most R8's in the country, something like 32).
 

auroan

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Eeek, bowfer we agree.
 

motorbikez

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auroan said:
Well on that note, I think a mini is a super car then.
 

mikep

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I'd have one, and put a 'Tractor Power' logo on the back....

1000Nm of torque will give a serious shove in the back at 70, 80, 90 etc etc and 25mpg? Pass the cake.

In 10 years time there'll be electric/hydogen powered supercars, so what the hell has the fuel got to do with it? Acceleration is where it's at.
 
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Moisty

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Matt said:
Yep fair point but in this case I suspect the diesel is going to be the one with the superior performance over the petrol R8

I do not disagree with that (mainly because I don't know).
I suppose my original question is taken in the context that there is already a petrol version.

But what if my point was that these two variants were being built from scratch today and we were comparing apples with apples, the petrol variant would be more powerful, so why would you go for the diesel?


I do understand why people go for a diesel when you are spending £20k. But what if you are spending over £100k, what attraction does diesel hold?

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Moisty

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Just nicked this from Pistonheads....


"You see a beautiful sports car in the hotel entrance. The well groomed owner slides into the firm, leather covered sports seats. Places the key into the light ignition barrel, reaches for the stunningly crafted alloy starter button and as the engine roars into life... GRAAANK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK"

F***in DERVS !!


Not saying it is my view, just that it amused me!

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auroan

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Well the person who commented on pistonheads obviously hasn't heard the V12 TDI running then.

And I can say from experience, standing next to a new M5 doesn't inspire confidence when you start it. If anything the V10 petrol engine sound like a bag of spanners on a fast spin..... very much like pre 2007 diesels.
 

DaveS3Turbo

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This is a deinate production car. Has been confirmed by audi.

Whoever wouldn't have one of these is crazy I think.
 

Issac Hunt

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Torque levels approaching 1000Nm? Ill take the diesel over the petrol any day:icon_thumright:
 

trims

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Moisty said:
Who on earth is the customer?

What type of person would buy a supercar with a diesel engine and what could their reasons be?

I am not having a go at a diesel car, I genuinely cannot fathom out who would purchase such a vehicle!

My brother-in-law has already ordered one. :)
 

motorbikez

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Issac Hunt said:
Torque levels approaching 1000Nm? Ill take the diesel over the petrol any day:icon_thumright:


So would I.:yes:
 
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Moisty

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motorbikez said:
So would I.:yes:

So if you have 2 supercars, 1 is powered by diesel, the higher performing one is obviously powered by petrol. For what reason would the diesel be the choice?

The exhaust note? Unlikely

The flexibility of the engine? LOL

The sound of the engine? Ha Ha

The mpg? Oh yes, that'll be it!



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Issac Hunt

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Moisty said:
So if you have 2 supercars, 1 is powered by diesel, the higher performing one is obviously powered by petrol. For what reason would the diesel be the choice?

In the case we are talking about here, The R8, The diesel version is faster. This would be why I would choose the diesel.

If another petrol R8 were to be launched that was quicker than the V12 diesel then I'd choose that. But in this case I'd go diesel as the V12 diesel will be faster than the 4.2 V8 petrol.

All this 'petrol is best' talk is ******** in this case IMO.
 

yak

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Issac Hunt said:
Torque levels approaching 1000Nm? Ill take the diesel over the petrol any day:icon_thumright:

Well, to be honest, I was rather disappointed. Mercedes is providing these numbers with their turbocharged petrol engines, and even they are limited, since the gearbox can't take enough torque.

Since same torque can be achieved with petrol, what's the point of diesel? And whoever said that M5 sounds **** in idle, sure. But when it's running, no diesel can match it's high-rev sounds.

At least to me, sports car should sound like one as well. And having huge rev-band gives thrilling to the driving. Why do you think bikes are so much fun? ;) And no, HDs are not.

- Yak
 
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Moisty

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Issac Hunt said:
All this 'petrol is best' talk is ******** in this case IMO.


Then you may have missed the point as I do not think anyone is saying that. I believe they can both be best depending on your requirements. If my requirement was for high performance, then yes, of course I would want petrol. That does not make petrol the best in any situation.



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motorbikez

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Moisty said:
So if you have 2 supercars, 1 is powered by diesel, the higher performing one is obviously powered by petrol. For what reason would the diesel be the choice?



The flexibility of the engine? LOL


The mpg? Oh yes, that'll be it!

I'm just stating my personal preference you got a problem with that, I happen to like the characteristics of diesel cars, torque ,yes better mpg whats wrong with wanting to put less money into the chancellors pocket.
and stopping every couple of hundred miles to fill up.
 
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Moisty

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motorbikez said:
Moisty said:
So if you have 2 supercars, 1 is powered by diesel, the higher performing one is obviously powered by petrol. For what reason would the diesel be the choice?



The flexibility of the engine? LOL


The mpg? Oh yes, that'll be it!

I'm just stating my personal preference you got a problem with that, I happen to like the characteristics of diesel cars, torque ,yes better mpg whats wrong with wanting to put less money into the chancellors pocket.
and stopping every couple of hundred miles to fill up.

A problem with that? :)

We are talking supercars. I just genuinely don't understand the desire for a diesel in this category of car.
If you like, the opposite of that is why would I want a petrol car if I was looking for a vehicle that I could extract the most miles per gallon from.
 

Amchlolor

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Moisty said:
motorbikez said:
A problem with that? :)

We are talking supercars. I just genuinely don't understand the desire for a diesel in this category of car.

Depends what you mean by "desire".
I doubt anyone has been sitting with their cheque book primed, wishing Audi would make a diesel version.
But if they make one that is able to compete with the petrol, with some of the side benefits that diesel can bring, I dare say there will be a few say "why not".
Audi evidently think there's a market for it, otherwise they wouldn't commit the millions it will inevitably cost to do it.
If nothing else, Audi are evidently confident the racing adage 'win on Sunday, sell on Monday' will work with their LeMans winning engine.
 
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Moisty

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bowfer said:
Moisty said:
But if they make one that is able to compete with the petrol, with some of the side benefits that diesel can bring, I dare say there will be a few say "why not".

Yes, I suppose that is the real point isn't it "IF they can make one that is able to compete with the petrol".

I understand that the prototype is competetive with the petrol, but will the petrol have moved on too far by the time the prototype becomes a production vehicle (if indeed it does)?


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auroan

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Moisty said:
We are talking supercars. I just genuinely don't understand the desire for a diesel in this category of car.

No we're not. The R8 is not a super car.... I think you don't understand that category.
 
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Moisty

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auroan said:
No we're not. The R8 is not a super car.... I think you don't understand that category.

Well I think you do not understand the question as we are talking about perception or viewpoint. Whether the car is a supercar or not is not fact. Evo believe it is a supercar for example but that does not mean it is or it isn't.
Top Gear compare with Lambo and 911, that does not mean it is or isn't a supercar.

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Amchlolor

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Moisty said:
Well I think you do not understand the question as we are talking about perception or viewpoint. Whether the car is a supercar or not is not fact. Evo believe it is a supercar for example but that does not mean it is or it isn't.
Top Gear compare with Lambo and 911, that does not mean it is or isn't a supercar.

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The comparison with a Lambo can only come from the fact they are both mid-engined and both 'built' by Audi.
Pricewise, they're miles apart.
Cheapest Lambo is £127K.
 
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Moisty

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bowfer said:
The comparison with a Lambo can only come from the fact they are both mid-engined and both 'built' by Audi.
Pricewise, they're miles apart.
Cheapest Lambo is £127K.


Indeed they are seperated by price. Not sure if there is a point there or not?




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auroan

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"it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarified atmosphere of its own."[
 
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Moisty

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auroan said:
"it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarified atmosphere of its own."[


In your opinion, absolutely! All I am saying is that is not fact, just your point of view.


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Amchlolor

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Moisty said:
Indeed they are seperated by price. Not sure if there is a point there or not?

It's a pointless comparison.
I you're looking at £127k Lambos, are you going to bother with the R8?
Hardly.
You're in a different buying league.
An R8 would be something to use in the winter, to keep the Lambo clean.
 
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Moisty

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Found this somewhere, sums it up for me.

"The term supercar was coined to describe extremely expensive, extremely beautiful and extremely fast cars. But the proper use of this term is often subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. There is no clear definition of what characteristics a car must have to be a supercar. What constitutes a supercar is often a matter of opinion. Also, the use of the term is heavily dependent on the era - a car that is considered to be a supercar at one time may lose its superiority in the future. "


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Moisty

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bowfer said:
It's a pointless comparison.
I you're looking at £127k Lambos, are you going to bother with the R8?
Hardly.
You're in a different buying league.
An R8 would be something to use in the winter, to keep the Lambo clean.

Pointless! pointless for who?, you? or everyone?

I can see your opinion there, no doubt. Wouldn't apply to me though as I like my supercars to be real headturners and the Audi ticks that box more than the baby Lambo for me.


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Amchlolor

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I'm not going to crane my neck to look at a 911 or R8 going past.
I wouldn't break my stride if I walked past a parked example of either.
That's no disrespect to the cars, just an indication of their comparitive lack of impact and the fact they are relatively common.
There are many cars I would stop and stare at though, because it's unlikely I'll ever see one again, and highly unlikely I'll ever be able to afford one.
That's a supercar.
Not something that I can see in any oil company or solicitor's car park.
 
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Moisty

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bowfer said:
I'm not going to crane my neck to look at a 911 or R8 going past.
I wouldn't break my stride if I walked past a parked example of either.
That's no disrespect to the cars, just an indication of their comparitive lack of impact and the fact they are relatively common.
There are many cars I would stop and stare at though, because it's unlikely I'll ever see one again, and highly unlikely I'll ever be able to afford one.
That's a supercar.
Not something that I can see in any oil company or solicitor's car park.


You are fortunate then as I have never seen an R8 on the road. Perhaps when I do I will feel the same as you.


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Amchlolor

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Moisty said:
You are fortunate then as I have never seen an R8 on the road. Perhaps when I do I will feel the same as you.M

I have, several.
As I said before, the local dealer (specialist Cars Audi, Aberdeen) has, I believe, taken the most orders for R8's in the UK.
I would also venture it's middle aged oil executives or solicitors that have ordered them, in the main.

With regard to your "pointless to who" question, I would say everyone.
Do you seriously think a prospective Lambo owner is going to look at R8's?
I doubt it.
If he has that kind of buying power, he's going to look elsewhere.
It's like you having the buying power for an Audi A3, but going to look at a Ford Focus too.
You're just not going to do it, regardless of how techincally similar the cars are.
You're going to stay within your price range.
You might even smirk at the suggestion you would 'downgrade'.
 
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Moisty

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bowfer said:
I have, several.
As I said before, the local dealer (specialist Cars Audi, Aberdeen) has, I believe, taken the most orders for R8's in the UK.
I would also venture it's middle aged oil executives or solicitors that have ordered them, in the main.

With regard to your "pointless to who" question, I would say everyone.
Do you seriously think a prospective Lambo owner is going to look at R8's?
I doubt it.
If he has that kind of buying power, he's going to look elsewhere.
It's like you having the buying power for an Audi A3, but going to look at a Ford Focus too.
You're just not going to do it, regardless of how techincally similar the cars are.
You're going to stay within your price range.
You might even smirk at the suggestion you would 'downgrade'.


"With regard to your "pointless to who" question, I would say everyone." - incorrect, does not apply to me.

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Do you seriously think a prospective Lambo owner is going to look at R8's?
I doubt it." Yep, a friend of mine is ditching his 360 and looking at a year old Lambo or a new R8.

"If he has that kind of buying power, he's going to look elsewhere." - Incorrect as explained above.

"It's like you having the buying power for an Audi A3, but going to look at a Ford Focus too." - incorrect again as that is precisely what I done before purchasing my A3.

"You're just not going to do it, regardless of how techincally similar the cars are." - Incorrect as explained above.

"You're going to stay within your price range." - That may well be YOUR view but not sure how you can assume that applies to me?

"You might even smirk at the suggestion you would 'downgrade'" - Not sure what you mean by that?


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Amchlolor

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Moisty said:
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Do you seriously think a prospective Lambo owner is going to look at R8's?
I doubt it." Yep, a friend of mine is ditching his 360 and looking at a year old Lambo or a new R8.

Right, so he's going to look at an R8 or a used Lambo.
So he's looking within his price range.
If he had the money for a brand new Lambo, he probably wouldn't go anywhere near an Audi garage.
With regard to the Focus argument, it doesn't me that you're the first to do it on here.
Why on earth would you look at a Ford Focus if you can afford an A3?
Why not stick to cars around the A3 price range?
You seem to have a strange, and somewhat confusing, car history.
M3, B3, D3, A3, and also looking at a Ford Focus.
Hmmm...:think:
 

auroan

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bowfer said:
You seem to have a strange, and somewhat confusing, car history.
M3, B3, D3, A3, and looking at also looking at a Ford Focus.
Hmmm...:think:

Thats probably why he doesn't understand what a super car is.
 
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Moisty

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bowfer said:
Right, so he's going to look at an R8 or a used Lambo.
So he's looking within his price range.
If he had the money for a brand new Lambo, he probably wouldn't go anywhere near an Audi garage.
With regard to the Focus argument, it doesn't me that you're the first to do it on here.
You seem to have a strange, and somewhat confusing, car history.
M3, B3, D3, A3, and looking at also looking at a Ford Focus.
Hmmm...:think:


I think I have got to the crux of the problem. It is confusing for you because it does not match your expectations or perception of what a car history should look like. Perhaps you need to accept your view is a view not the view?

Well this time last year I was driving around in a 54 plate Vectra so I suspect that is really going to mess with your head.

Maybe I should only buy a car that has a '3' in it?



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Moisty

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auroan said:
Thats probably why he doesn't understand what a super car is.

So I do not understand what a supercar is but you do?

So you are saying that you can only have an opinion on what a super car is if you have previously owned a certain set of cars. Well thank you for that how enlightening.

Maybe it is your grammar I am not picking up on. Just in case and just for you, my A3 is a super car but it is not a supercar. There, I hope that helps you.


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