R TECH STAGE 2+ Helix organic or sachs clutch ?

Hookmonster

Registered User
Had R Tech stage 2+ map done yesterday.. superb..

My standard clutch lasted about 5 seconds... lol..

Nicky recomended the Helix organic over the sachs organic both with luk dmf

Any opinions on that ??

And cheapest place to get them.. thanks guys.
 

prt57

Registered User
Had R Tech stage 2+ map done yesterday.. superb..

My standard clutch lasted about 5 seconds... lol.

Hi there,
Please could you tell us how many miles your car has done before your upgrade to 2+? Just wondering how long my clutch will last!

Cheers,
Peter
 

kash_v

Registered User
Had R Tech stage 2+ map done yesterday.. superb..

My standard clutch lasted about 5 seconds... lol..

Nicky recomended the Helix organic over the sachs organic both with luk dmf

Any opinions on that ??

And cheapest place to get them.. thanks guys.

Did he say why mate? Also, did he mention anything about spec smf setup?
 

S3Alex

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Helix are usually quite shy about revealing their torque ratings.
Some people swear by them,and some do not,as with most clutches.

I used a Sachs organic and DMF up to 440lbs of torque,which is beyond it's nominal 400lb rating,so not a bad result,but as with all organic clutches,it will not tolerate a lot of abuse,as the organic compound tends to overheat and break up.

After the Sachs eventually gave up at that figure,i switched to a Spec Stg3+ carbon-metallic clutch with SMF,and for anyone thinking of a high torque,SMF setup,I would recommend this above anything else.



The advantage of this is it's a full face clutch,i.e.not a paddle type,and is much easier to use around town,whilst maintaining a reasonably stock feel,and can handle up to 570lbs without trouble.
Mine has finally started to slip at that sort of level after 40k miles,so you can see how tough it is.
 

kash_v

Registered User
@S3Alex thats a nice setup! I appreciate its a performance clutch, but how much harder is the clutch pedal with the sachs and now your spec? Did you source your spec?

@Hookmonster fair enough, general conscious I believe on this forum is the sachs (purely going on my searching).
 

S3Alex

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@S3Alex thats a nice setup! I appreciate its a performance clutch, but how much harder is the clutch pedal with the sachs and now your spec? Did you source your spec?

@Hookmonster fair enough, general conscious I believe on this forum is the sachs (purely going on my searching).

It almost feels like stock.....AMDTuning commented on how light it feels.
I did the basics of sourcing it,and AMDTuning are able to import and fit it.
 

Hookmonster

Registered User
@S3Alex thats a nice setup! I appreciate its a performance clutch, but how much harder is the clutch pedal with the sachs and now your spec? Did you source your spec?

@Hookmonster fair enough, general conscious I believe on this forum is the sachs (purely going on my searching).
I agree mate.. the sachs was my plan.. just having Really good read up now on the helix too just before i put the cash down !
 

Smirky

Registered User
If you think you might add a bit more power I'd go for the spec as it will handle it with ease ,
Very easy to use around town so much so my 60+ mum can take it to waitrose and not even realize it's a performance clutch
 

S3Alex

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@S3Alex nice, was the sach heavier then your spec?

As Smirky will confirm,its probably lighter than the Sachs to be honest.

Mine was the first Spec Stg3+ on here,and has lasted for over 40k miles at not less than 450lbs,and over the last year at around 550lbs,without issues until now when it's finally beginning to slip.
 

kash_v

Registered User
If you think you might add a bit more power I'd go for the spec as it will handle it with ease ,
Very easy to use around town so much so my 60+ mum can take it to waitrose and not even realize it's a performance clutch

As Smirky will confirm,its probably lighter than the Sachs to be honest.

Mine was the first Spec Stg3+ on here,and has lasted for over 40k miles at not less than 450lbs,and over the last year at around 550lbs,without issues until now when it's finally beginning to slip.

Sounds like a decent clutch! Once I have all the hardware for stage 2+ on the car, I will order a clutch. Rather get the clutch done before it goes to Rtech then start slipping on the dyno lol. From both your replies, its given me a good insight into how good Spec is.

Probably also given @Hookmonster some more thinking to do, re Spec setup.
 

Smirky

Registered User
I don't find the spec any harder to use than the standard clutch to be honest , a lot of people are put off ny the single mass flywheel but I get very little chatter from it unless it extremely hot or been idling for a prolonged amount of time ,
@Rob C drove it and think he was surprised at just how quiet and easy to use it was
 

Smirky

Registered User
As Smirky will confirm,its probably lighter than the Sachs to be honest.

Mine was the first Spec Stg3+ on here,and has lasted for over 40k miles at not less than 450lbs,and over the last year at around 550lbs,without issues until now when it's finally beginning to slip.
A lot lighter than the Sachs I tried on a friends stage 1
 

XFi

In need of a V8.
Hi there,
Please could you tell us how many miles your car has done before your upgrade to 2+? Just wondering how long my clutch will last!

Cheers,
Peter

I had mine changed at about 84K and I had been at Stage 1 for about 10K of that. The clutch was still fine although I did have it slip twice but then it never slipped again. I simply changed it as I did plan to go further power wise.
 

Rob C

Audi Owner
I don't find the spec any harder to use than the standard clutch to be honest , a lot of people are put off ny the single mass flywheel but I get very little chatter from it unless it extremely hot or been idling for a prolonged amount of time ,
@Rob C drove it and think he was surprised at just how quiet and easy to use it was

I was definately impressed with it and if I was to go Stage 2+ or TTE420 I wouldn't hesitate to go down this route!
 

Smirky

Registered User
I was definately impressed with it and if I was to go Stage 2+ or TTE420 I wouldn't hesitate to go down this route!
You mean when you go 2+ lol
 

Rob C

Audi Owner
@S3Alex Do you know what the differences are between the Spec Stage 2+ and Stage 3+ other than torque rating? Do you think both would have the same driving characteristics as the Stage 3+?
 

S3Alex

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@S3Alex Do you know what the differences are between the Spec Stage 2+ and Stage 3+ other than torque rating? Do you think both would have the same driving characteristics as the Stage 3+?

To be honest all I can offer is an opinion that as it's a full-face clutch,it should be pretty easy to use around town etc,as with the 3+.

I've used paddle clutches before and liked the positive feel etc,but not the town or hill-start characteristics,which are not user friendly.
 

Smirky

Registered User
@S3Alex Do you know what the differences are between the Spec Stage 2+ and Stage 3+ other than torque rating? Do you think both would have the same driving characteristics as the Stage 3+?
I spoke to spec and they said same weight etc as 3+ how ever it does need some bedding in where as the 3+ doesn't
 

Zakir883

Registered User
Helix are usually quite shy about revealing their torque ratings.
Some people swear by them,and some do not,as with most clutches.

I used a Sachs organic and DMF up to 440lbs of torque,which is beyond it's nominal 400lb rating,so not a bad result,but as with all organic clutches,it will not tolerate a lot of abuse,as the organic compound tends to overheat and break up.

After the Sachs eventually gave up at that figure,i switched to a Spec Stg3+ carbon-metallic clutch with SMF,and for anyone thinking of a high torque,SMF setup,I would recommend this above anything else.



The advantage of this is it's a full face clutch,i.e.not a paddle type,and is much easier to use around town,whilst maintaining a reasonably stock feel,and can handle up to 570lbs without trouble.
Mine has finally started to slip at that sort of level after 40k miles,so you can see how tough it is.
POWAAAAAH!

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Samy boi

Registered User
I used a Sachs organic and DMF up to 440lbs of torque,which is beyond it's nominal 400lb rating,so not a bad result,but as with all organic clutches,it will not tolerate a lot of abuse,as the organic compound tends to overheat and break up.

Any recco on a good DMF Alex? I'll be going for the APR stage 2+ soonish and want the sachs organic, just a case of getting my other bits sorted soon.

Thanks
 

Hookmonster

Registered User
Ok booked in with Aks in bedford for helix organic and luk DMF inc slave cylinder, bolts, uprated pressure plate good for 420 torque...

Ill keep you updated on how it goes
 

Cambaines

Registered User
Ok booked in with Aks in bedford for helix organic and luk DMF inc slave cylinder, bolts, uprated pressure plate good for 420 torque...

Ill keep you updated on how it goes

What was the cost of this without labour mate?


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S3Alex

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Could you drop me a PM too mate? Are they sourcing the parts?

@S3Alex You ever heard/read up on SMF conversions damaging the gearbox/crank at all? Just researched a little and few forums mention it.

Well.....both of my Cosworths obviously had SMF clutches.
The S3 has run on this clutch for over 40k miles and the crank hasn't disintegrated......so probably not.
 

Hookmonster

Registered User
Clutch goes in this week.. r tech the week after to get stuff turned up... lol

Ill keep you all informed on how the helix copes.. alex at Aks says no poblem..

Fingers crossed
 

MICHAEL PARKER

S3 Sportback
What was the cost of this without labour mate?


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I would like to know the labour cost as well as i will be going down this road shortly .
 

MICHAEL PARKER

S3 Sportback
PM me as I have enquired at AKS and so I know the total cost for a Helix + dmf + fitting
Peter
Ok Peter, if you could let me know that would be great , i emailed them this morning ref the RS4 fuel valve after your post on my thread .
 

Hookmonster

Registered User
Helix organic / luk dmf fitted today at aks in bedford..
Taking it steady for a couple of hundred miles this week to bed her in..
Doesnt feel much different from oem.. a little heavier if i was sitting with the clutch pedal down but not by a huge amount..
 
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