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Problem After Audi Emissions Recall

Tomas Sears Dec 8, 2016

  1. Tomas Sears

    Tomas Sears Member

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    Hi all,

    Just got a quick question, I may be heading in the completely wrong direction with this...

    My car was with Audi about a month ago getting the software update to comply with emission laws etc. the car has seemed fine since and haven't really noticed any difference in performance or MPG.

    But yesterday on the way to work, the Engine Management Lamp kept flashing after a couple of miles into the journey. Aswell as the flashing icon, there was a lot of misfire and loss of power, i could still go around 40mph.
    Then on the way home, again after a few miles the same thing happened.

    On the way to work this morning, I took it easy and didn't let the revs get too high and the light didn't come on at all.

    So, today I had my trusty mobile mechanic come out this morning to plug it into the computer to see whats going on. The error it threw out was with the EGR valve, now I don't know much about cars, but the mechanic mentioned its got something to do with emissions.
    If this is the case, do you think the software update may have caused this and if so has anyone else had this issue after the update? I just think its a bit of a coincidence! but may be completely wrong.

    Any advice would be great!

    Many Thanks
    Tom
     
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  3. Gazwould

    Gazwould Well-Known Member

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    I've heard this many times now the new software buggers the egr .

    Why on earth did you have it done ?
     
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  4. Tomas Sears

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    I don't know why I did now, I guess at the time I thought if I resell it, it would be better if it had been done.

    I've got it booked in at Audi tomorrow, think I should accuse the software update to be the fault?
     
  5. Nessy

    Nessy VW + Audi mad

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    I don't mean to hi-jack the thread but is the consensus then not to have the recall done?
    My nieces 2010 A3 1.6 CR Tdi is due to have the recall done soon but if it's going to naff the EGR I'll tell her to leave well alone?
    Cheers
     
  6. Retroman

    Retroman Audi A3 2010 Sportback 2.0 TDI 170 (CBBB engine)

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    In my view it is likely to be either an unfortunate coincidence or a previous owner had “deleted” a troublesome EGR via some form of remap – the update having restored normal, legal operation. Your logic for getting the update done was sensible as dealers and buyers will be looking for such an audit trail on the VW cars involved
     
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  7. Tomas Sears

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    The previous owner was a company as it was a company car, so doubt it would be that. Just bet it wouldn't have come up if I didn't have the software update done.
    Car has been OK today. I have cancelled my appointment tomorrow at Audi so I don't have to shed out £65 for the diagnostics, when I have done this done already.

    @Gazwould, do you know anyone who had this issue, or had you just read it on other forums?
     
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    Retroman Audi A3 2010 Sportback 2.0 TDI 170 (CBBB engine)

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  9. SteveMcB

    SteveMcB Well-Known Member SQ5 owners group Team Sepang Audi Cabriolet Owner Group

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    Had to get the egr cooler on my 2.0tdi Mk6 Golf done recently, it's a common problem with these engines apparently. I've not had the update done and don't intend getting it done so it could just be coincidence. Also just had to get the dual mass flywheel, aux water pump and glow plugs replaced. It's a 10 plate, 45K, FSH, well looked after - thank **** everything in life is not as reliable as a Golf!
     
  10. Tomas Sears

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    Sounds like you have had a lot done in only 45k! The mechanic I know said the EGR problem is common in diesels but still a bit odd only a month after the update, but as mentioned it could just be coincidental! I just did a 60 mile round trip and she drove like normal, no flashing lights or misfire so hopefully be ok. But on my next fill up I'll do what @Retroman suggested and use premium with some cleaner


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  11. Nessy

    Nessy VW + Audi mad

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    Just re-read this thread and my niece had a lot of trouble soon after purchase with her car (2010 A3 1.6 TDi Cabrio) in that it kept going into limp mode with the accompanying engine management light on dash (no misfiring though) but no fault code came up when scanned?
    Various 'specialists' wanted to renew the EGR valve and the injectors but neither could definitely say that would cure the problem.
    I advised to leave alone until a fault code was thrown up which after about 8 weeks it finally arrived, it was the auxilliary coolant pump which provides cooling to the EGR valve assembly.
    Only Common Rail models have them and if the pump plays up then the EGR valve can overheat and cause all sorts of limp mode hassles.
    The pump is small and located down on a bracket next to the sump, if you suspect the EGR valve is faulty then I'd recommend making sure the pump is good first, at around £105 it's a lot cheaper and easier to renew than an EGR valve assembly.
    A new pump on my niece's car has made it drive like new again.
     
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  13. SteveMcB

    SteveMcB Well-Known Member SQ5 owners group Team Sepang Audi Cabriolet Owner Group

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    ******, wish I had known that a couple of months back!

    The car is used by my kids and doesn't do many long journeys which has probably been the root of the problems. I should really take it for a decent run but the SQ5 wins every time :)
     
  14. Tomas Sears

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    Yep, so did I! My work is literally 2 miles down the road from my house which I drive everyday, so the car doesn't even have a chance to warm up! That probably doesn't help.
    Iv'e contacted Audi to see if they have had any other cases like this, hopefully they may do a free courtesy check or diagnostics, just to check it out! But we'll see what they say
     
  15. William Harvey

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    Tom

    I have had exactly the same problem.

    I had the software update for the emissions scandal early November 2016 and within two weeks experienced the same problem with the engine management light flashing and loss of power/acceleration. When you then stop the car, turn off the engine and re-start the problem goes away.

    I also took the car into a local garage who told me it was a fault with the EGV valve so I took it in the local Audi garage and they couldn't find any problems with the car. They checked the error codes and nothing could be found so they sent me home with a £60 diagnostics fee.

    This week the same problem has occurred and my car is again with Audi today.

    Will
     
  16. SootySport

    SootySport Well-Known Member Team Silver

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    What model, year do you have? Dervs don't like short journeys, if you have a DPF equipped car, it's not surprising the eml light comes on. Egr's do clog up as well but are easily cleaned out yourself.
     
  17. Tomas Sears

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    I have an Audi A3 Sportback 2.0ltr TDi 2012 plate. I do some short journeys but also do 2 x 60 mile round trips each week. I have been doing these journeys for a year with no issues, but as soon as the update has happened I have had the issues.

    Will, that sounds like a right run around. I contacted Audi on Twitter and explained the situation and they said I would need to take it in for diagnostics at Audi which they mentioned would of course cost me £60. Such a joke, they should just do a diagnostic test for free as there is a chance it was their fault. If they hadn't tried to cheat the system in the first place we may have never been in this mess!
    If you can, let us know how you get on with Audi and see if they accept liability


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  18. S.line

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    Could you not try a forced regen of the egr? Drive in a gear that allows about or above 2500rpm for about 15mins. You know when a regen is active by the heat coming from under the car after a trip.


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  19. Hizzer

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    Hi, I have taken my car to the garage today with exact problem you have and been given the same diagnosis. I had my Audi recall on 7th February so only 6wks ago!
     
  20. dp_motley

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    Thank you all guys for all the feedback on sw update. My A3 1.6 TDI 105 was going to get the update yesterday, but after reading about all the troubles and power loss, I cancelled reservation.
     
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    You are confusing your EGR with a DPF lad.
     
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  22. sonny.

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    Exact same problem as everyone here.

    I also do short trips to/from work and had my emissions update at the end of Jan, 6 weeks later I have the engine management light come on and a complete loss of power. I had the DPF light come on about 2 weeks before that light came on, I went for a long drive and that cleared it.

    Very suspicious that the emissions update has screwed the car over... have the car going in to Audi this afternoon.
     
  23. sonny.

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    ^ Forgot to mention, I have a 60 plate Audi TDI S-Line sportback.
     
  24. Dubjam

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    This is widespread information, the 'Fix' is causing unbalanced over pressure in the injectors and is wiping the EGR out (as one of the problems)

    I am not having the fix, its not required in this country, and I value my engine.:)
     
  25. Carefree69

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    This is exactly why I'm not getting mine 'fixed'. The f*ckers keep sending me letters but they can do one....my car runs beautifully as it is thank you very kindly.

    Fix my ****.
     
  26. SteveMcB

    SteveMcB Well-Known Member SQ5 owners group Team Sepang Audi Cabriolet Owner Group

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    Agree 100% - think VW have given up on me though.
     
  27. Cornish John

    Cornish John Active Member Silver Supporter Team Silver Sportback TDi Audi TT quattro Coupe

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    Yes, keep getting letters, not having mine done!
    Besides, I want to keep my REVO remap!!
     
  28. sliced

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    They subtly applied the emissions fix on ours when it went in for a service.
     
  29. Gazwould

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    I always thought before the fix rolled out something would happen to the egr as it's having to operate more often to reduce NOx thus reducing its life .

    Even more soot in your engine oil , no thank you .
     
  30. sonny.

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    Just spoke to Audi, surprise surprise the EGR valve and cooling unit needs replacing and they quoted £1,274 for the work.

    Its probably only done 150 miles since I last had it in for major service and they applied the emissions update.
     
  31. Dubjam

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    Dads Tiguan did around two months of driving after the 'fix' was applied, then his engine started knocking something chronic, VW refused to accepted it was the fix that caused it. Now it needs a new EGR valve, and potentially more.

    Before the 'fix' no troubles at all in its 40k.
     
  32. JW523-A3

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    Hi guys

    Hopefully I can get some advice from you all and sorry for hijacking this thread (first time posting and I really need some advice)

    Long post incoming....

    I have a Audi A3 2.0 TDI black edition (60 plate), that has been recalled in for the emissions software update.

    Around two years ago, my car had the infamous 'limp mode' and to cut it short, it was a ******.

    Anyway, after consulting with a garage, I opted to have the car remapped and have the DPF removed (I know ****** all about cars, probably got conned into making the decision but he seemed to know his stuff).

    Went into Audi today to have the emissions update and they asked me if I had my DPF removed and like an honest idiot, I said yes. As you can imagine, they said they cannot proceed with the update as I need to get a new DPF installed then come back.

    So, thanks for getting this far but I have a few questions if you wouldn't mind giving me the best opinion.

    1) shall I take it to a different Audi centre and plead stupid and say I haven't had my DPF removed and just hope for the best?
    2) Do I fork out £1900 (inc labour) from Halfords ..... to have a new DPF installed?
    3) Do I have a 'copy' DPF installed at a cost of £600 (that should pass then shouldn't it?)
    4) Do I have the remap taken off and software put back to standard from the garage who originally remapped it? Then take it into the Audi centre and plead stupid again and say I haven't had my DPF removed?
    5) Will it even show up on audis test that the DPF isn't there?
    6) Do I purchase a cheaper DPF myself and ask an independent garage to fit it?
    7) Do I even need to have this software update done? Is it illegal if I don't as I keep getting a few letters saying it needs to be done etc etc.

    Thanks in advance all!! Just struggling on what the best option is?
     
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  34. sonny.

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    Whats wrong with your car? If nothing is wrong with it, then dont try and fix it. Ignore the emissions update is the best advice it seems.
     
  35. JW523-A3

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    Thanks for quick reply!
    Absolutely nothing is wrong with the car. That's the frustrating bit!

    It was just going into the centre to have the emissions update but they refused to do it because the DPF was removed.

    Can I decline to have the update done with having any legal repercussions?
     
  36. HHS3

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    Hi mate, I don't know much about the diesel engines however I can answer number 7 which will write off all the other questions. No you do not need to have this done as it is not required in the UK, so ignore the BS letters and save yourself a good few hundred quid by leaving it alone.
     
  37. Dubjam

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    Dont have the 'fix' done,its that simple.

    There are no legal reasons to do so in the UK, and considering the fix is causing more problems than what its 'fixing' I would stay well away.

    Yes you can decline the fix. Just say NO as they say, and carry on enjoying your car without having to replace the EGR valve :)
     
  38. JW523-A3

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    Thanks for your replies guys. Appreciate it.

    Looks like Ill be saying no to them! Crafty wording on the letter though ... these letters imply that we must do the fix or face charges.

    Where did you find out the there's no legal obligation in the U.K. To have this done, if you don't mind me asking?

    Thanks
     
  39. A4A4

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    What should the owner have to pay to replace the EGR valve. When it is another mess up by Audi (VW group) !!??!!
     
  40. Dubjam

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    Because your MOT is not based on NOX emissions.
     
  41. Dubjam

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    Because Audi refuse to take responsiblility for the damage being done, as its far more difficult to be proved.

    The dealers are also lying to customs as well, this one is priceless, taken from another forum (with less knowledgeable members)

    Dealer told this to a customer inquiring about the issues with the fix...

    1. Early "fixes" were applied without a fault diagnoses check - i.e. they just applied the fix, without explicitly checking what the car had been logging. Some cars had existing problems, either unknown to owners who'd not noticed an intermittent fault light (the car resets on each stop/start), or who chose not to mention. These cars then went on to re-exhibit the original fault and it was unreasonably attributed, by the owners, to the "fix".

    2. Some folk had had re-maps done. The "fix" undoes any remap work, so those folk might report the car being down on power, or having worse fuel consumption.

    3. As a result of 1./2. they now do a full diagnosis before applying the fix, and consult with the owner on rectifying any issues before continuing.

    4. If my car shows no faults or remap work (it shouldn't as far as I'm aware) if there are subsequent issues there's a process to follow to make a claim.

    LMAO.

    Audi do standard fault code checks on all vehicles that enter the workshop, even on MOT's.
     
  42. sliced

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    Its not mandatory.
     
  43. Jomo84

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    Haven't seen my Q3 for over 2 weeks after having the emissions update done. New ECU needed but Audi refusing to accept responsibility. My advice don't get it done!
     

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