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GTAIVgunner Jan 3, 2018

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  1. GTAIVgunner

    GTAIVgunner Well-Known Member Team Glacier S-line owners group Audi A3 TDi Manual

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  3. Pinky1959

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    Hope the officers are ok now and the scum get caught and get whats coming to them .
    Poor car hope its recovered too ! !
     
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    Trust the Polus...te have nae taste....Nano......ffs....Ye ken.... like....there always good at wasting the tax payers money, ye wid have thought.....they wid have gone for a Exclusive paint ....like El Cid blue.......Miami Vice Blue or even Old Bill Broon......lol
     
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  6. jaypers777

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    Sentences need to be a lot more severe for this type of crime. Scumbags!
     
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  7. Bristle Hound

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    @jassyo06 - ^ Translate ? :p :D
    lol
    @jaypers777 - ^ Agreed !
     
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  8. Pinky1959

    Pinky1959 Well-Known Member

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    This ^^^^^
    They need to make prisons like the American versions hard time and hands and legs chained when on movement about prisons . To much namby pamby nowadays ,
     
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  9. Carefree69

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    Yup, zero tolerance across the board.

    Tough, long prison sentences with no privileges.

    All those plastic gangsters and lowlife toe rags will soon get the message.

    I so should be PM, I’d get this pathetic whimpering country off its knees.
     
  10. DrEskimo

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    Working so well for the US....

    Just out of interest, what exactly is your experience of the judicial system or prisons in general that make you think they are too ‘soft’...?
     
  11. Carefree69

    Carefree69 Well-Known Member

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    Errrr, the ridiculously high level of re-offenders is an obvious one:expressionless:

    So what’s your solution then? Upgrade each cell to include 60 inch flatscreen t.v.’s?

    How about a monthly allowance of £1000 per inmate to spend on escorts?

    How about each inmate gets 2 days a week where they can go home?

    Nah, I’ll stick with the get much tougher solution thanks:friends:
     
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  13. oli356

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    America have 0 re-offenders in their prisons....

    /sarcasm.
     
  14. DrEskimo

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    ....no...? Impressive straw man though....

    I don't know, I have no solution because I have no expertise or experience of the judiciary system or the state of prisons today, or indeed in the last few decades.
    How are they too soft? Compared to when? Compared to what? What is there current level of 'softness' and where do you want it...?

    And how do you define 'ridiculously high level' of re-offending? Again, what's the definition of high, and compared to what? What is a successful level? Surely zero is not possible? How do you know a 'tougher solution' (again, what exactly is this?) will reduce it to a number you deem successful (once you have defined it...)? Based on what evidence?

    Since I don't know any of the answers to the above, I personally reframe from ridiculous sweeping statements claiming I can 'fix it'....

    Or perhaps you have answers to all the above...in which case best of luck to you!
     
  15. Carefree69

    Carefree69 Well-Known Member

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    Hahahahahahaha.......oh that made me belly laugh.

    /sarcasm.
     
  16. Carefree69

    Carefree69 Well-Known Member

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    Straw man?......nope, you’ve lost me there.

    Anyway......I too have no expertise or experience of the judiciary system either, and whilst I also have no experience of prisons or prison life I do read and am able to watch news reports/documentaries etc. You cannot pick up a newspaper without reading reports about inmates who are able to feed their daily drugs habit, or pictures of groups inmates taking ‘selfies’ etc. I could be wrong but I’m sure that illegal drugs and mobile phones are banned in U.K. prisons.

    Let’s move on to things that ARE allowed, radios, CD players, television’s, PlayStation’s or XBox etc. They get an amount of hours each day for ‘leisure’, so that could mean spending time in a fully equipped gym, or playing table tennis or simply strolling around the prison yard.

    So, go out and mug a defenceless OAP and the above is your punishment, hold up a post office and the above is your punishment, disfigure someone in an acid attack and....... you get the message.

    Take away the gyms, the t.v.’s, the computer consoles and make it a proper punishment, make it hard, make it unbearable. Maybe, just maybe it might stop a fair number of them wanting to ever go back.....because at the moment even I quite like the idea of doing a bit of bird. No responsibilities, three meals a day, warm bed, gym, leisure time, PlayStation, maybe even a bit of Charlie on a Saturday night, sounds like a holiday to me.

    Do YOU think our prisons are to harsh? Let’s hear your thoughts on the subject, are you one of those mamby pampby lefties who believe that criminals should go on self esteem building holidays instead of prison? (until of course you have been victim of a crime).

    Oh, and my ‘ridiculous sweeping statement’ about sorting this country out was tongue in cheek mate. Blimey, loosen up cupcake:tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:

    What ISNT tongue in cheek are my views on our prisons, they are clearly too soft. Commit a crime and you should face a very bleak time behind bars. People like you don’t agree with people like me.....until people like you become a victim of crime.

    Have a safe day:neutral:
     
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  17. DrEskimo

    DrEskimo Well-Known Member

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    Straw man:
    an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument

    I haven’t made any indication of my position on the prison system because I have no idea. I certainly don’t base it on media reports...

    They may be too soft, they may not be. Tougher conditions may reduce reoffending, or it may do nothing. My point is I’m sick to the teeth of having to constantly read the opinions of self proclaimed expert’s, that they state is gospel, when they don’t have half a clue about it.

    I wouldn’t even think I have a solution or even relevant opinion worth having on the matter, as I have done next to zero research (proper research, not newspaper articles...) and have zero experience of any of it. Why? Because there is probably a very high likelihood I am completely wrong....
     
  18. batch

    batch Well-Known Member Team Glacier Audi S3 quattro

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    Got this in one!
     
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  19. jassyo06

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    Boring guys........... Let's be nice as it's a New Year....... mbt3340smpbq5ryynufu.jpg
     
  20. iTzCraigooo

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  21. Carefree69

    Carefree69 Well-Known Member

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    ‘Self proclaimed expert’?? Where? Who?

    Nope, I was merely expressing my opinion and what I’d do if I was in a position of power.

    Oh, and my opinion isn’t based on media reports at all, I read stuff and I watch stuff but I certainly don’t base it on that, it’s all about facts. Inmates DO get leisure time, inmates DO have tv’s in cells, inmates DO have radios/cd players/PlayStations blah blah yawn.

    Oh hang on,you think that the media have lied to us about prisons and prison life? I wonder, what on earth would they get out of telling us that inmates are allowed tv’s etc? Come come now, surely even you don’t believe that. Besides which, I’ve known enough people over the years who have either done time or know someone who has done time, so take it from me, I speak the truth.

    So, based on those facts I’ll say it again, make prison a punishment and not a place that they are ok with being sent back to, simple as that.

    What I am ‘claiming’ about prisons isn’t a wild opinion it’s a fact. You don’t have an opinion at all on the subject? Oh, and if you are ‘sick to the back teeth’ of reading certain things then I have the solution.....don’t read them.

    You’re welcome.

    Oh, and your ‘straw man’ reference was far too intellectual for me to work out.....but well done anyway:whistle2:
     
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  22. Carefree69

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    Agreed Jassy, some people need to chill the **** out:footy:

    All I did was express an opinion and BOOM Dr. Two-penneth comes at me. Maybe I’ve hit a nerve or something?
     
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  23. DrEskimo

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    From what I understand, this is based on behaviour and what they can afford from what they earn doing work at the prison. The alternative you are suggesting seems completely impractical to me. We already have an issue of overcrowded prisons and lack of security forces. Surely allowing inmates some simple forms of entertainment (based on good behaviour) after working is an effective way of building a community and reducing the occurrence of riots and violence in an already stretched and under resourced system? You seem to think that giving an inmate who is showing willingness to learn, behaves well and works hard an hour watching a pants programme on a small TV in the evening completely undermines the entire purpose of the prison....I think it encourages the right type of behaviour, helps rehabilitation and reduces the risk of boredom and disillusionment that will inevitably lead to violence and riots. Again, I could be wrong, I don't know enough...

    How do you know it isn't already?? That's exactly my point!

    It's funny because a similar debate came up on another forum, and we had the usual responses from guys like you saying it was a cushy life and wasn't tough enough, etc., all like yourself with no actual real experience. Then there was one bloke who actually did time and said it was horrible and wouldn't want to ever go back....

    My point was simply, maybe it isn't what you think, and the issues are more complex than you think...

    Anyway...I'll leave it there as per the request of other members.
    You're right, I will just ignore them in the future...
     
  24. Carefree69

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    You clearly didn’t read my last post otherwise you wouldn’t have just posted that.

    Inmates do get ‘down time’ whereby they can go to the gym or play table tennis, and inmates do get tv’s in their cells etc. You seem to think that it’s ok to reward them with those luxuries if they are good boys and girls. Please, spare me the Jeremy Corbyn-esque fluffy cr@p. They are there because they committed a crime, often very violent or worse. Their human rights ended when they committed the crime.

    Like I’ve said, you clearly didn’t read my last post otherwise you’ll notice that I know/have known people who have done time or know people who have and it’s a fact, prison is far too easy.

    And this bloke on the other forum who claims to have done time was perhaps the exception, I’m sure that many inmates struggle with prison but I also know that many many more find it easy.

    Anyway I’m really bored now so let’s leave it there.

    Have an amazing day and stay safe:yes:
     
  25. DrEskimo

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    Excuse me but I read your posts thoroughly and at no point have you said you knew people/have known people. You have only stated that you obtained information from media reports and documentaries.

    Unless the last quote was a cryptic clue alluding to the fact you had testimony from people directly involved. Of course...that's clearly evidence I didn't read your posts...


    Came across these articles that I thought you might enjoy reading.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/14624749922227685

    Research on public opinion over the past three decades has consistently established that the British public are critical of sentencers, and that this criticism exists independent of crime trends and even dramatic changes in criminal justice policies. This finding points to the possibilities that the findings are an artefact of the approach used by these surveys or that public opinion is formed in ignorance of actual practice. The 1996 British Crime Survey (BCS) contained a section of questions designed to test these hypotheses. Respondents were asked a series of questions about their knowledge of, as well as attitudes towards, sentencing practice and sentencers. Results indicate that judges received significantly more negative evaluations than any other group of criminal justice professionals. The public systematically under-estimate the severity of sentencing patterns, and this is significantly related to attitudes to sentencers. When asked to provide a sentence in a specific case of burglary, members of the public favoured sentences that were on balance little different from, and if anything more lenient than, current sentencing practice. Discussion focuses on the policy implications of these findings, as well as their relation to research in other jurisdictions.

    http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/449205?journalCode=cj

    Research on public knowledge has found that the public knows little about crime or the criminal justice system including crime-related statistics such as crime rates, recidivism rates, and average sentences. Members of the public have little familiarity with specific laws or with their legal rights. Although some research shows that most people favor the imposition of harsher sentences on convicted offenders, more refined research reveals that the public is not more punitive than the judiciary. Research on crime seriousness reveals substantial consensus between different groups and over time. Policymakers and criminal justice professionals believe attitudes to be harsher than they are. A priority for the criminal justice system is to dispel misperceptions of crime held by the public and misperceptions of public attitudes held by professionals and policymakers.

    Have a good day too :)
     
  26. Carefree69

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    Oh dear, you must either be teddy tired eyes today or your memory isn’t what it once was. If you cast your eyes back over my posts you will in fact see that I have stated that I know and know of people who have served time, tut tut you really must pay attention if you are to have a constructive debate:tearsofjoy:

    You can try to blind me and win an arguement by posting out dated and out of touch articles (you really shouldn’t believe everything you read you know) the fact still remains that our prisons are far too soft and are not a deterrent for re offenders. Whilst you and I play tennis with our opinions (well my opinions anyway, you don’t seem to have any for yourself) there are thousands of violent nasty prisoners playing xbox, taking illegal smuggled in drugs or simply watching loose women. Is that right? It happens and it’s happening now.....is that right?

    Anyway, there are far too many big words in those (yawn) articles you’ve posted so I won’t be reading them. Blimey, I bet you are a bundle of laughs down the pub:neutral:

    Have a spiffing day and stop taking yourself so seriously, all is good:yahoo:
     
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  27. Chris43

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    never mind the damage, the headline should be 'OMG - An S3 that isn't blue' :whistle2:
     
  28. batch

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    :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:
     
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    Carefree69 Well-Known Member

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    Thank Christ, we seem to be back on topic again:salute:
     
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  30. DrEskimo

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    Care to highlight exactly where for me? Perhaps it will help me with my debating abilities....(more likely it will help you with your 'post editing' abilities...).

    This is not a fact...you have not given any evidence that this is a fact at all. It's your opinion...an opinion based on "news reports/documentaries etc. You cannot pick up a newspaper without reading reports.."....no wait sorry, "isn’t based on media reports at all, I read stuff and I watch stuff but I certainly don’t base it on that", which apparently I am thick for not knowing this means direct experience from people who have been involved....oh but you absolutely did state that in your previous posts....except they are right there in black and white and you definitely didn't...not sure what 'stuff' you read, but clearly it isn't publications or books based on actual evidence, since you struggle with the big words apparently...

    Yet you have the audacity to suggest I can't have a constructive debate....(sorry audacity means rude or disrespectful behaviour...)

    If you actually cared to look at the evidence, you will see that a) the total sum of evidence looking at imprisonment as a deterrent of re-offending is severely lacking, and b) most research of any real quality investigating the effects using effective methodologies find little to no effect of imprisonment on re-offending rates.

    https://www.researchgate.net/profil...eoffending/links/5661cc4308ae192bbf8bcb06.pdf

    Imprisonment is the most severe punishment in democratic societies except for capital punishment, which is used only in the United States. Crime prevention is its primary rationale. Imprisonment may affect reoffending in various ways. It may be reduced by some combination of rehabilitation and what criminologists call specific deterrence. Sound arguments can be made, however, for a criminogenic effect (e.g., due to antisocial prison experiences or to stigma endured upon release). Remarkably little is known about the effects of imprisonment on reoffending. The existing research is limited in size, in quality, in its insights into why a prison term might be criminogenic or preventative, and in its capacity to explain why imprisonment might have differential effects depending on of- fenders’ personal and social characteristics. Compared with noncustodial sanctions, incarceration appears to have a null or mildly criminogenic effect on future criminal behavior. This conclusion is not sufficiently firm to guide policy generally, though it casts doubt on claims that imprisonment has strong specific deterrent effects. The evidence does provide a basis for outlining components of an agenda for substantive and policy relevant research.

    You continue to believe whatever you want though....I would much sooner act on empirical evidence to establish what actually works, rather than base any actions on my emotional opinion (or particular political leaning, for which I have none btw...), that I know to be extremely flawed and lacking in any necessary detail. If you cared to read any of those articles, you will see that public opinion is very influential in guiding policy. If the public opinion is misguided, this can have real consequences on the effectiveness of those policies, since they are currently in direct opposition to what the evidence tells us. By which point we have a costly criminal justice system that is ineffective (or not as effective as it could be)....Basically everyone loses...criminals continue to re-offend, prison staff continue to get abused and over worked and the tax payer continues to foot the ever increasing bill.

    There you go...there's my opinion..
     
  31. Carefree69

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    Like I’ve already said, cast your failing eyes over my previous posts and in there you will find what you are looking for. It’s there trust me, I know because I wrote it. Tut tut, pay attention.

    As for the rest of the drivel you posted, I read the first two sentences and gave up, talk about being an atmospheric hoover.

    Prison IS far too easy and far too comfortable for most, and I have that nugget of information first hand, no media and no reading of boring reports necessary.

    Think of all those law abiding parents who this Christmas couldn’t afford to buy their kids a computer console, what message is our useless spineless government sending out to those youngsters? “ hey it’s ok kids, if you end up in prison one day we’ll look after you in comfort and give you a game console to aid in your rehabilitation”. It’s simply pathetic.

    Hey if you are happy for your taxes (assuming you pay tax) to be used to keep scumbags and violent thugs in relative comfort despite their crimes then you crack on with your fluffy views.

    You disagree and that is fine, I’m just not sure why you took exception to my original post on the subject, sore subject?

    Have yourself an amazing day full of fun:footy:
     
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    Is anyone else mind numbingly bored of this subject now?

    Hmmmm, me too.

    (Note to self - in future keep any opinions to yourself in case it touches a nerve).
     
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  34. jassyo06

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    Any Blue best colour fir a Audi:sign yum: **** that white n Grey gash paint...:end of discction: lol
     
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    Get some colour in yer motoring life lol Ara,Sepang rool the school....
     
  36. batch

    batch Well-Known Member Team Glacier Audi S3 quattro

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    Please ignore the senile old fart in the corner, ladies and gents! :tonguewink:
     
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  37. batch

    batch Well-Known Member Team Glacier Audi S3 quattro

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    Ladies Ladies LADIES! Stop waving the handbags about!

    Yes prisons aren’t tough enough places to go when punished, I’m aware of cons who see it as a break from the real world and don’t mind it at all, but NO making them less pleasant places to stay won’t solve reoffending...
     
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  38. jassyo06

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    Says the would be father/estate car driver...... Pipe n slippers next eh..... Lol
     
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  39. 4K

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    +1 for pathetic whimpering country.
     
  40. Carefree69

    Carefree69 Well-Known Member

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    When I eventually get into power I will appoint you to my cabinet.

    Oh hang on, some people don’t do tongue in cheek here do they:neutral:
     
  41. 4K

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    Excellent, I'd like to be Secretary of State for Transport if I may.

    I will have a four pronged approach:

    1. Ban all drivers who own and/or drive Peugeots
    2. Finally adapt and build new motorways that are worthy of going up to 100mph without being stuck behind a Peugeot doing 60 in the outer lane.
    3. Have a Highways Agency competent enough to be ready to immediately respond to any pothole report as it comes in live from the Pothole Active Control Monitoring Association Network (PACMAN) - a department I will coin and implement.
    4. Forbid driving on Sundays, everyone know's Sunday drivers are THE worst.
     
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    I like the cut of your jib, you are most definitely hired.

    I’d also like to appoint you head of U.K prisons.

    Do your worst, sort those scumbags out once and for all, no fluffy sh!t:rulez:

    Two jobs, double pay:hi:
     
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  43. jassyo06

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    That's one way of decreasing the UK population..... If the likes a you 2 @4K ever get let loose Mass Exodus....... Maybe try oot as a forum moderator firstly see how ye get on..... But on second thoughts...... I think the same would apply lol a 2 member forum you n @4K
     
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