Pick up pipe replacement cost?

[imotepify]

Hi guys, with all the bad news im thinking about replacing my pick up pipe but how much should it cost (DTM 2.0 tfsi BUL) and how many hours will it take at our local garage (roughly) might get them 2 change the cambelt, water pump and camchain is there any thing else I should replace while its being done?

Thanks, Karl.

 

[Giosabcsl]

Im guessing you been reading too much of the forums lately about all the BUL engines going bang.

And treading lightly in your Audi. And to be honest I dont blame you and nor are you alone.

This recent amount of 2.0t motors going because of the pick up and oil pumps is quite scary. Its like they all have a self destruct mode in them.

But getting to the point.

The oil pick up tube is part number 06F115251B which is the revised part and this is £30 inc vat.

According to the "book or guide" of automotive labour charges it says 2.2 hours to drop the sump, but I would use that strongly as a guide. As I am sure you read the recent silver DTM that motor blew and the owner wanted to know the rough times it takes to remove and refit the engine. As craigcull politely said those figures are for the ideal world were no bolts are seized and all the correct tools are beside you.

Cam belt labour wise you looking at about 2.6 hours which is about correct. That is excluding the water pump, cam belt, tensioners and coolant unless they reuse your previous coolant. Audis price for the cambelt is £449 with a 2 year warranty or £549 with the waterpump.

As for the cam chain there is actually 2 chains in the motor one that drives the oil pump and another that drives the intake camshaft.

So ill assume you referring to the one at the rear of the motor. I got quoted roughly 5-7 hours labour and then the parts which is the following:

exhaust cam sprocket bolt, timing chain tensioner, valve cover gasket, timing chain rear cover gasket, timing chain, vacuum pump rubber gasket, timing tensioner bolts x3, High pressure fuel pump rubber gasket.

Those work out to £210.

Hope this helps

 

[Av4nt]

Gio, ever thought of just becoming an independent BUL specialist do it do it!

 

[Giosabcsl]

Gio, ever thought of just becoming an independent BUL specialist do it do it!

Lol you starting to sound like "steveiejay" he says the exact same thing and keeps telling me off because I know too much

But thank you at least someone acknowledges my enthusiasm. What can I say im a BUL at heart

 

[Craig Cull]

It's definitely worth doing. Bar tek do a performance tensioner for the chain aswell, might be worth considering. Especially if you intend on tuning it. It's a rare occasion but it's worth trying to prevent it.

 

[Steveiejay]

It's good to have people like Gio so ready to help out top bloke has given me lots of good advice and
Tips

You do know a lot though bro !!

Lol

 

[Av4nt]

gotta get mine serviced and taxed before chain replaced booo

 

[TOM.S]

Lol you starting to sound like "steveiejay" he says the exact same thing and keeps telling me off because I know too much

But thank you at least someone acknowledges my enthusiasm. What can I say im a BUL at heart

the entire forum would be pretty much useless without people like yourself so,
as for myself I'm glad we got a 2.0 tfsi specialist in here.

oh with regards the pickup replacement.. mines a quattro with the ''extra subframe''acrros the bottom or whatever is it called.
an it looks like it gonna be a complete nightmare to drop the sump because of it.
Any quick tips on how to get it done without dismantling half of the car?

 

[Giosabcsl]

Well there 2 is methods on going about it.

But just budget for the fact you will need to regas/refill your AC. As well as either catch your current coolant or replace it.

So just bare that in mind as a lot of places dont mention this. Because your main AC gas lines run right under your sump towards the compressor.

The easiest way I find is to loosen the engine mounts and snub mount and raise the engine. That way you don't have to loose your AC gas not that its the end of if you do but its one less cost.

But to be honest its not a easy job with out a ramp you need a lot of axle stands and a engine hoist if possible.

Otherwise you going to have to go down the longer route of dropping the sub frame. Which will take anything from 3-4 hours.

Its a real pain in the butt easily when one just wants to change the oil pick up which is a "£20-30 part"

 

[TOM.S]

well it wont be just the pick up.
engine,transmission and diff oil/fluid change all at the same time so i thought why not to replace the pick up pipe while its all off.
its all a preventive measure before the euro trip in mid july.

 

[drew306]

Hi there everyone. These threads are starting to be a worry. So much so I've went and booked my special edition in to have this pipe changed changed at my local specialist Star Performance in Kirkcaldy. The funny thing is they said they have never done one on a 2.0tfsi and thought it was just the 1.8 20valve turbo that suffered this. Anyway I had to phone audi for a quote as star couldn't quote me as they had never done one. FYI audi quoted me £210 for the job including parts and they said it would be 1.5 hours labour.
Mines is a FWD.
Just thought I would share this with you all.

 

[bigmoylan]

I had mine done the weekend at Midland VW they quoted me £150.34 for the Pick up pipe and £215 for a full service, If I wasnt to have the service at the same time it would be £45 for the oil and filter. So a total of £195.34

I dropped the car off at 8:30 on saturday and picked it up at 13:00 all done.

Apparently all A4s have to have the subframe dropped because of they way the engine is mounted regardless of it being FWD or Quattro.

 

[jdp1962]

Hi there everyone. These threads are starting to be a worry. So much so I've went and booked my special edition in to have this pipe changed changed at my local specialist Star Performance in Kirkcaldy. The funny thing is they said they have never done one on a 2.0tfsi and thought it was just the 1.8 20valve turbo that suffered this. Anyway I had to phone audi for a quote as star couldn't quote me as they had never done one. FYI audi quoted me £210 for the job including parts and they said it would be 1.5 hours labour.
Mines is a FWD.
Just thought I would share this with you all.

It's been a known fault on the 1.8T for a long time; clearly now, the 2.0Ts are reaching the age where it becomes apparent they are similarly afflicted.


I second the positive comments about Gio's excellent and informative post.

 

[Tez1711]

I am considering flushing my Audi A3 1.8t. Shall I drop the sump and change these pipes aswell?

 

[Giosabcsl]

Flushing it will just make things worse mate. As the 1.8t are prone to sludge. And if you have sludge in your motor you basically forcing it to go to places you dont want it too.

 

[Tez1711]

Flushing it will just make things worse mate. As the 1.8t are prone to sludge. And if you have sludge in your motor you basically forcing it to go to places you dont want it too.

But wouldn't flushing it get rid of all the crisp to the sump, then thoroughly clean it then top p with fresh oil?

 

[Tez1711]

Flushing it will just make things worse mate. As the 1.8t are prone to sludge. And if you have sludge in your motor you basically forcing it to go to places you dont want it too.

All the crap out the engine and into the sump. Not crisp

 

[Giosabcsl]

I am considering flushing my Audi A3 1.8t. Shall I drop the sump and change these pipes aswell?

My best advice would be to clean as much as you can, drop the sump and clean your pick up pipe as well as your sump.

Then considering using some cheap oil with a flush and run it for a few mins. Then drain the oil and put some fresh fully synthetic oil and oem filter. Should do the trick

 

[imotepify]

Cant belive Audi haven't done a recall on this! If they make an improved part they must acknowledge the problem?

 

[Tez1711]

My best advice would be to clean as much as you can, drop the sump and clean your pick up pipe as well as your sump.

Then considering using some cheap oil with a flush and run it for a few mins. Then drain the oil and put some fresh fully synthetic oil and oem filter. Should do the trick

Is dropping the sump a big job or is it easy to do?

 

[Giosabcsl]

Cant belive Audi haven't done a recall on this! If they make an improved part they must acknowledge the problem?

It doesn't quite work like that. Because if you think about it they would be in debt or even liquidated. Based on your theory. I understand your reasoning. But let me put it simple using your analogy. The diverter values on our car have been improved atleast 10 times. Now think if audi were to replace each 2.0t engine that includes the golf gti the audi a3 and a4, then the skoda and seat platforms. That's a lot of money. Let alone other parts that have been improved/revised. No company makes the perfect car otherwise we would only buy that car and that car only. Just think what would happen to the rest of the market. Just some food for thought.

 

[mancdan]

Just got a price off Awesome GTI in Manchester for Oil pick up pipe replacement:

£102 for pipe and fitting. (pipe & O ring Seal is £36, so labour is £66)
£69 for Oil & filter.

Good price do you think?

 

[imotepify]

It doesn't quite work like that. Because if you think about it they would be in debt or even liquidated. Based on your theory. I understand your reasoning. But let me put it simple using your analogy. The diverter values on our car have been improved atleast 10 times. Now think if audi were to replace each 2.0t engine that includes the golf gti the audi a3 and a4, then the skoda and seat platforms. That's a lot of money. Let alone other parts that have been improved/revised. No company makes the perfect car otherwise we would only buy that car and that car only. Just think what would happen to the rest of the market. Just some food for thought.

Our Hilux that is 20 years old has just had a recall done that costs more 2 do than the truck is worth, Dont think it would hurt Audi 2 cover some of the cost for the faults that can cause the engine 2 fail.

 

[Steveiejay]

Agreed.

It's not like it's a Hyundai

 

[Giosabcsl]

Yes I do agree. But even premium brands have there faults. And there is actually a lot of recalls for our cars but they sadly are mostly in the USA for what reason I am not sure why this is the case.

Usually toyota need to do recalls as they are based on safety requirements ie - sticking accelerator pedals or air bags not going off etc.

I am not sure what your hilux needed. But i have owned 2 Hilux's in the past and quite frankly they are a lot more reliable than most of the vehicles I have owned to date.

The only recall for the B7 petrol was:

The valve cover and coil pack and one or 2 other minor things.

America got - The pcv fix/update, valve cover, coil packs, pick up, oil chain and oil tensioner at the rear of the engine.

You would think they are global.

I do find Audi lately are releasing vehicles far to quick and it seems they doing it to stick with the current market competition.

But I mean even the new B8 shapes the amount of information out there regarding poor fuel consumption, engine rebuilds due to oil consumption issues the list is endless. And you would think of all the years of development that they would have at least fixed some of the past issues.

And to comment steveie jay yes its not a Hyundai but you cant go wrong usually with jap reliability. And I do agree it shouldn't be like this with German engineering. But the joke is with a Audi you get 3 years warranty with a Hyundai you get 7 years that says a lot for their vehicles and there confidence in there product/brand.

 

[jdp1962]

Agreed.

It's not like it's a Hyundai

Indeed. Hyundai are far less prone to these systemic failures.

 

[lynallbel]

I dont like the toyotas styling, but a few blokes at work have them and nothing ever goes wrong, one has 2 land cruisers one well past 100k other knocking on the door of 200k!
I think on other had an avensis and the egr valve stuck, stripped cleaned and thats it, iirc hes had it 4/5 years
It amazes how Kia and the like can do the 7 year warranty, thats a ****** long time.

 

[Giosabcsl]

Well I got a 1997 Honda civic Vti 4 d00r saloon which came in a rare adrelecent pearl blue.

Not that the colour matters

And that doesnt give a days trouble only thing ever giving issues is rear drop links and the standard rear exhaust boxes corrode and split at the join as it has no support bracket which in turn causes the box to hang.

Other than that she is golden.

 

[Steveiejay]

Hyundai are Korean not Japanese lol

That's just even more messed up!

 

[jdp1962]

Hyundai are Korean not Japanese lol

That's just even more messed up!

Korean or Japanese, whilst they might not get near the German brands for finish and materials quality, their mechanical reliability is in another league.

 

[drew306]

I bet those brands have faults as well though, and because not so many people own them we don't hear about it. I think all newer cars aren't as good as they were 10 years ago. Eg mk4 golf compared with the mk6. I think most manufacturers build there cars based on the fact that most people that buy new cars change after the 3 years when the warranty is up, and don't really care what happens after that.

 

[drew306]

Well got my pipe changed today. Technician said the original wasn't that bad, probably because I regularly change the oil (twice a year).
The total bill was £183 including new oil and filter.

 

[imotepify]

Thats a very good price gonna get ours done soon, our local garage says it should take around 3 hrs (£30ish an hour) then parts ect will probs do the cam belt and tensioner and water pump at the same time depending on cost.

 

[novril]

Does anyone know if there is a specific sump sealant or will standard RTV silicone sealant do the trick?

I have this and a few other bits and pieces to do to mine sometime soon.

Cheers, Mark.

 

[Bikertov]

Thats a very good price gonna get ours done soon, our local garage says it should take around 3 hrs (£30ish an hour) then parts ect will probs do the cam belt and tensioner and water pump at the same time depending on cost.

LOL at that cheap labour rate !

My local Audi franchised dealer wanted £160 an hour for their labour

 

[imotepify]

Our local Audi want £120 an hour they had our car for 6 weeks in all (not the DTM) costing around £3000 and still couldnt fix the problem then they said it would be around another £4500 lol Thank the lord for the warranty lol Think my mate/local garage would have sorted it for a fraction of that price. Audi couldnt even get it 2 run the software update lol

 

[Auditaf]

Im guessing you been reading too much of the forums lately about all the BUL engines going bang.

And treading lightly in your Audi. And to be honest I dont blame you and nor are you alone.

This recent amount of 2.0t motors going because of the pick up and oil pumps is quite scary. Its like they all have a self destruct mode in them.

But getting to the point.

The oil pick up tube is part number 06F115251B which is the revised part and this is £30 inc vat.

According to the "book or guide" of automotive labour charges it says 2.2 hours to drop the sump, but I would use that strongly as a guide. As I am sure you read the recent silver DTM that motor blew and the owner wanted to know the rough times it takes to remove and refit the engine. As craigcull politely said those figures are for the ideal world were no bolts are seized and all the correct tools are beside you.

Cam belt labour wise you looking at about 2.6 hours which is about correct. That is excluding the water pump, cam belt, tensioners and coolant unless they reuse your previous coolant. Audis price for the cambelt is £449 with a 2 year warranty or £549 with the waterpump.

As for the cam chain there is actually 2 chains in the motor one that drives the oil pump and another that drives the intake camshaft.

So ill assume you referring to the one at the rear of the motor. I got quoted roughly 5-7 hours labour and then the parts which is the following:

exhaust cam sprocket bolt, timing chain tensioner, valve cover gasket, timing chain rear cover gasket, timing chain, vacuum pump rubber gasket, timing tensioner bolts x3, High pressure fuel pump rubber gasket.

Those work out to £210.

Hope this helps

Hi. I know this is an old thread. My mechanic has my car up on the ramp. He has part no 06F115251B but he says it won't fit. Does anyone know of any issues when fitting the revised part?