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Opinions of Stage 2 on Pre-Facelift RS3

XPOWER Apr 8, 2019

  1. XPOWER

    XPOWER Active Member Team Catalunya Audi RS3

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    I've been running a Revo Stage 1 for over a year 2016 RS3. I haven't had it on a rolling road but it feels faster with more torque than when it was standard on the road even though VMax 200 event timing showed it wasn't any faster than a standard delimited PFL RS3.

    I've decided to keep the car for a few years until I see something I would like to replace it with so I was thinking about upgrading to Revo Stage 2.

    Now the Stage 2 PFL has been out for a while I was wondering if it was worth the upgrade over a Stage 1 and how does it effect day to day driving.

    Here is a rough costing for Stage 2:-
    Audi RS3 8V EVO3 Competition Intercooler Kit non ACC £1,385.00
    Milltek Exhaust AUDI RS3 Sportback (8V MQB) 2015-2018 - SSXAU587 £1,062.53
    Revo Air intake £478.8
    Remap £60

    Total parts cost £2,986.33 ex-fitting

    It looks expensive when comparing it to FL RS3 producing around same quoted power with only a remap.
     
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  3. Callum66

    Callum66 Member Team Panther Audi RS3

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    Do you need an exhaust system for Stage 2? Is the money not better spent on a sports cat or de-cat? Sorry to give you questions rather than answers.
     
  4. XPOWER

    XPOWER Active Member Team Catalunya Audi RS3

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    Revo quote the following hardware for stage 2:-
    • Revo Carbon Series Intake
    • Uprated Intercooler
    • Turbo Back Exhaust System with High Flow Catalyst
    I'm guessing a full Exhaust will be far more expensive and I'm not sure about replacing the entire system after opting for the sports exhaust.
     
  5. Callum66

    Callum66 Member Team Panther Audi RS3

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    I would be surprised if the exhaust is that restrictive it won’t cope with a Stage 2. My FL Stage 2 only has the downpipe replaced. The sports exhaust on your PFL has got to be worth a try.
     
  6. XPOWER

    XPOWER Active Member Team Catalunya Audi RS3

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    The gains on FL over PFL is a big step. Not sure why it is unless selling it globally meant the hardware to produce the standard power had higher tolerances so tuning is easier to extract the power form standard components.
     
  7. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member

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    The cost to change to a FL though must be £20k or so, so surely better value with the PFL?

    TX.
     
  8. Callum66

    Callum66 Member Team Panther Audi RS3

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    Yes, I understand that. FL S2 goes over 500hp with the standard exhaust, only a de-cat and an air filter, no intake. I would be tempted to ask for a second opinion on what’s necessary before spending £1500+ on an intake & exhaust.
     
  9. XPOWER

    XPOWER Active Member Team Catalunya Audi RS3

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    Yes I agree and I really like the car so happy to to keep it for another few years but a tune will keep it fresh and I wouldn't mind beating 180mph in another Vmax event.

    Yes I will ask. The garage that I take it to are really knowable and are helpful about tuning but I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2019
  10. Marshy

    Marshy Settled in Team Sepang Audi RS3

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    Here’s a copy of the info from APR’s website.
    Says intercooler and high flow downpipe, I’ve been looking in to it myself and need a downpipe and intercooler
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Callum66

    Callum66 Member Team Panther Audi RS3

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    I agree with you. You can always add intake & exhaust parts easily. The intercooler is a more time consuming / specialist job. There will be lots on here who have done it already.
     
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  13. DW81

    DW81 Well-Known Member

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    Alot if money for not much more in power and torque gains from stage 1
     
  14. XPOWER

    XPOWER Active Member Team Catalunya Audi RS3

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    Seeing Eventuri RS3 had good results with replacement air box on Vmax200 compared with the standard air box so that is worth including as part of Stage 2 Package on FL RS3 and I'm guessing PFL as well.



    That is my concern that I spend this money and the returns on performance and day to day usage doesn't really justify the upgrade.
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2019
  15. Marshy

    Marshy Settled in Team Sepang Audi RS3

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    Running stage 1 Apr I have a HG Motorsport intake pipe with panel filter.
    Tempted to add an intercooler and stay stage 1.
    People say the intercooler is the bottle neck even running stage 1
     
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  16. XPOWER

    XPOWER Active Member Team Catalunya Audi RS3

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    When I was at the Vmax event I was speaking to a guy that was tuning RS3 and he said the issues they had was heat soak so he advised getting an upgraded inter-cooler fitted when upping the power.
     
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  17. Marshy

    Marshy Settled in Team Sepang Audi RS3

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    When looking at intercoolers I don’t want the one where the crash bar is needed.
    The Wagner Evo1 intercooler is probably the one I’d want so the rest of the car is standard, much easier to fit too.
    This one
    https://www.wagner-tuning.uk/200001107.html
     
  18. betaone68

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    From my personal experience I advise you against moving to Stage 2 Revo. I did not find the declared data on the dyno. You only have more torque at 5,000 rpm. I also couldn't find a 100 octane gasoline suitable for the REVO 98+ map. With all the 100 octane gasoline available on the Italian territory I found some worrisome ECU corrections (also - 9%). Mounting the 200-cell down pipe is a truly significant operation, it is necessary to remove both the transmission shaft and the lower suspension support.
    If you want to do some up grade I suggest you Wagner intercooler, secondary decat, K&N panel filter. On the 8V the turbine is small and does not allow it to exceed 400 hp.
    [​IMG]
     
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  19. XPOWER

    XPOWER Active Member Team Catalunya Audi RS3

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    Thank you for the for for information. It is helpful to see the feedback from a customer.
    It looks like the results do not match the effort and cost involved in going to stage 2.
    As you suggested smaller upgrades will give better cost to performance results rather than a full stage 2 conversion.
     
  20. DerekL

    DerekL New Member

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    Air intake in ******** don’t do that. So is the sports exhaust.

    For stage 2, all you need is an intercooler (second hand £600-800 depending on brand, wagner being closer to the £800 mark), plus installation, which is normally around £200, 3 hours labour.

    Then you’ve got either scorpion or milltek decat or sports cat, which are around £400 second hand for the decat or £600 for a sports cat second hand, I’d recommend sports cat just due to ease of MOT’s. Plus the labour on fitting the sports cat, which I’m unsure of.

    I’m revo stage 1 at the moment (was on the car when I purchased) but revo do not do a map for for a high pressure fuel pump, which gives the biggest increase from stage 1-2, people call it stage 2+. This gives you a load more torque and actually makes the switch from stage 1 to 2 worth it. So you’ve 2 options, APR or MRC. MRC is cheaper and comes with a half price TCU map too. I think the stage 2+ software from MRC is about £800. So all in I’ll be looking at ~£2k
     
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  21. Tomplumb

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    My PFL is MRC stage 2 with TCU map. No intercooler, just BMC panel filter, custom turbo back exhaust with race cat and utilising stock back box.

    (FYI the custom exhaust from Deuetsch Tech was only a couple hundred quid more fitted, than a Miltek. I’d recommend custom as read lots about Miltek being total junk nowadays...)
     

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