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monopole May 28, 2018

  1. monopole

    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    I'm not yet going to make a PFL > FL comparison, having only just reached 500 miles in the new car, though there are glaring obvious things I could immediately note... so this is just to say ~3 weeks ago Dhyllan from Automotive Addiction came down to collect my car after some negotiation, very nice chap and no haggling or BS from him once he was here. I sent him full details and plenty of pics so the price was agreed before he saw the car for himself and he never faulted on it .

    So for now, this is just say, this is the last pic of my PFL MY16 RS3 the morning Dhyllan arrived:

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    and this is the first pic of my FL MY18 RS3 the very next day at collection:

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    As I said, I'll put my opinions across when I've run the new one a little longer, hope you like the pics.

    S.
     
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  3. Sandra

    Sandra Administrator Staff Member Administrator TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group Audi S3 quattro Platinum Supporter S tronic Audi Main Dealer

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    Enjoy the new car. Looking awesome :)
     
  4. TYb

    TYb Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group Team Navarra Audi S3

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    2 great cars, really like PFL
     
  5. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Audi RS4

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    Good to see you back on here Mono :)

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  6. RGBARGEE

    RGBARGEE Well-Known Member Team Mythos Team Daytona Team Phantom Audi RS3 Audi RS4 Audi S3 Black Edition Navarra Blue Classic Audi A1

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    Looks very nice, surprised Snake hasn't commented. Great to see the EU plates being proudly displayed too!
     
  7. monopole

    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    I especially like the coincidence at collection;

    Nov 2015 next to V10 R8
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    ... and May 2018 V10 R8 in gorgeous Suzuka
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    I didn't get balloons though :(
     
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  8. mxnrg

    mxnrg Active Member Team Daytona TFSI Owners Group Team V6 Audi Q5 SQ5 owners group MQB Platform

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    2015 was citrus, 2018 is mono(chrome) ;)


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    The orange PFL looks amazing!!
     
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  10. monopole

    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    Yes my PFL Glutorange "did" look amazing ;)


    Some very minor external cosmetic changes have been done to my new car since collection, this includes the pretty much standard black rings front and back, plus a very nice metallic RS3 badge on the rear
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    I also refitted my Carbon mirror caps I had on my PFL, and whilst doing those I also fitted from my PFL the sweeping wing mirror indicators.
    These may be a chinese kit, but when they turned up a little while back, the kit was very well packaged with all required tooling;
    mirror kit.jpg

    I did see these posted a while back and comments about the sequence and I agree, they appear to light the 2nd or 3rd LED from the inner edge first, then complete the sequence from the 1st LED -- thought this may sound a bit odd, in reality, hardly noticeable on the road and I would say does not deflect in any way from the effectiveness of the indicator

    from my PFL:



    Dashcam to install once the new windscreen mount arrives, but for now, that's all.

    S.

    [EDIT]
    also some small VCDS tweaks I liked on my PFL;
    locking "blip"
    comfort indicator blinks set to x4
    indication of comfort closing activated

    I will at some point disable S/S if it get annoying

    I did also see (if I was looking in the correct place) the headlight brightness were already set to 127%, where previously I changed it up from 100 (I'll talk more about that when I do my comparison)
     
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    interesting..would you please post a link to the website or a pic of the box it came in..thanks
     
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  13. monopole

    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    Like the indicators and the rear RS3 badge... Where did you get that? The one I ordered from eBay looks poor by comparison.
     
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    Feeling left behind now with both you and Brian getting the FL and John moving up the ladder.

    Still loving ours mind you.


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    I prefer it, looks unreal
     
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  17. monopole

    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    Hey Lee been a while since we seen each other... You have no worries about feeling left behind, such fantastic motors - now compared to the RS4, we are all in awe :thumbs up:
     
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    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    I recently ordered a new windscreen mount for my dashcam, which arrived today............

    ....in this box:
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    ..this thing:
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    :tearsofjoy:
     
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    Almost as bad as Amazon's packaging!
     
  22. monopole

    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    Dashcam hard wired in today for BATT and ACC to enable parking mode - fuses are easy to access via the glove box panel and a ground can be found just inside the end panel of the dash.
    I err... crimped a cable a little tight and it cut it through :sweatsmile: so quick trip to halfrauds to get some blue inline crimps and job done.

    Whilst I was in the groove, decided to hardwire the snooper in too off the same ACC crimp for the dashcam instead of using the cig lighter lead. neat job and I complement myself :tearsofjoy:
     
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  23. PanamaS3

    PanamaS3 Well-Known Member Team Glacier Audi S3 Black Edition S3 Saloon DSG

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    I admire your old orange car....one quick thing I noticed, why did you go with roof rails on the new one and not before?
     
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    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    I'll go a little more into this when I do my comparison between the two cars but to answer your query; the car was a dealer configuration (.. or a cancelled order configuration, not really sure which) that had recently arrived and displayed on the forecourt, there are some options I wouldn't have selected on a factory order myself, the roof rails being one of them as I don't think they really suit the car imo. But it was sitting there so I snapped it up with a very decent discount :icon thumright:

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    Wow, now we are talking, that looks lovely there!!!! I opted for roof rails, as in my opinion, it looks a lot nicer. Just personal preference at the end of the day I suppose. Can’t stop looking at the solar orange RS3 lol
     
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    I wouldn’t have specced it without the roof rails.

    You said you have options you wouldn’t have opted for, what is the full spec if you don’t mind? Or is that coming in the comparison?
     
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  27. monopole

    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    Yeah I'll break the spec down when I do my comparison post between the two cars (should be in the next two weeks, now covered just under 700 miles) but I will say the options I wouldn't have picked (and I agree with you, this is personal choice) are roof rails (as I said, I don't think they really suit the car), red brake calipers (I just like the black ones) and carbon fibre interior trim for 2 reasons;
    1. Cost, laughable to say the least, if you want to spend £850 then get the matrix headlights for a little more at £895!
    2. The standard optic 3D titanium grey looks equally as good, having seen it in a friend's car, and is no extra cost. Makes more sense to me.
     
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    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    MattSedg sportback roof rails enthusiast Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Audi S3 Black Edition

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    PanamaS3 Well-Known Member Team Glacier Audi S3 Black Edition S3 Saloon DSG

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    ok thx for confirming....I'm looking at RS3 next in floret and didn't want the roof rails....so that explains it then thx
    love it in floret....i'd like to go titanium wheels....and maybe....just maybe not black pack....
     
  31. MattSedg

    MattSedg sportback roof rails enthusiast Team Ara Blue Gold Supporter Audi S3 Black Edition

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    the roof rails are the icing on the cake imo!
     
  32. Beebee-one

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    Stop taking pictures of it and hurry up and drive it around a bit more. It needs more miles on it so we can get it on the dyno with mine! :yes:
     
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  34. monopole

    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    1 Calendar month and 850 miles in my ownership today – review



    Before getting into the review, some background into the purchase of my new car which began on the 5th May, with collection 12th May just 7 days later.

    I was visiting a friend on Friday 4th May to fit my recently purchased HG Motorsport intake pipe to my car, he had also recently purchased a new RS3 sportback just 2 weeks earlier and I just needed an excuse to go take a look .

    He had moved on from a PFL RS3 with MRC stage2 which ran Santa Pod 1/4m in 11.71 seconds. We went out for a run in his car (and this was the very first time in a FL for me) and I was pretty much immediately blown away with the whole package and noticeable improvements over a (stock) PFL car. Furthermore, the sound -which I have seen people very quickly to complain about- was incredible from a tone, pitch, volume and bass perspective with some really nice burbles, bare in mind he had around 600miles on the clock to my recollection. There was clearly a more defined 5 cylinder note to it than previously and climbing the revs produced a sublime note with bass, burble and volume which was, clearly, different to the PFL but did not take anything from the new car. Zero complaints about the sound from me and I was super surprised after seeing all the complaints by many others that (imo) is undeserved.

    Moving on to the next day, curiosity now has a grip on me and I decided to go visit my sales exec, whom I purchased my orange beast, to chat about the FL but still really had no commitment to buying one as the spec (on par with mine) was at this point in time a little out of my price range.

    A bit of a shock came to find out Jason had recently left due to health reasons, he was a fairly young chap I would say, in his 20’s but was diagnosed with MS – with hearing that I really had no interest in talking cars with anyone else there, but another sales exec who I also knew from back in 2015 when I bought my PFL was talking to me about Jason and that he was actually doing really well with good outlook on his condition and life as he kept in touch with him on FB. This inevitably moved on to why I was in Audi that day and so did get to talking about the FL RS3. Moving to his desk, we went over some book order specs, some cars they had arriving soon including and ones they already had – most of which had alu styling pack (no thank you) and one particular car *wink wink* which was on the display ramp outside which was way out of my price bracket with OTR price a little over 54k….

    Some further chatting blah blah blah etc etc and then the Business Manager walked by and recognised me from my PFL purchase (after all, Glutorange RS3 in 2015 was a buzz in the dealership ever since I placed my order in April 2015 and took delivery in November) and again we talked about Jason and my interest in replacing my car with a FL RS3. It must have been around 1 – 1.5 hours before we got down to serious talk about placing orders and deposits (most of it was just chewing the fat about cars, modding- as they knew the extent of my PFL mods- and of course, Jason) and Dean (BM) asked me what I was prepared to commit to… I explained I was prepared to place a factory order with deposit today if he would be prepared to negotiate a returning customer discount. He came back with an initial figure on a factory order, which I said was a fair offer, and also against the Floret Silver sitting on the ramp outside – I said I was prepared to place a deposit on a factory order (lower than ideal spec) with his discount offer BUT was also interested in the Floret outside as it was on par spec to my current car but would not put a deposit on that car as it was just a little out of my price range. He looked me in the eye and said “Let me get this straight, you will place a deposit today on a car with OTR price of 50k factory order, but not the 54k car outside because you need time to sell your car and due to available funds etc, is that correct?”, “Correct” I replied. He then got up, walked away and I though I had insulted him or something, literally 20 seconds later he returned sat down with his hand held out and said “okay, lets shake on the Floret outside at 50k, you can have it next week”

    :openmouth:

    This was all the Business Manager, I didn’t try to force a discount on that particular car as I already said it was way above my price, but they obviously preferred to sell that car than take a factory order expected in September for delivery. The remainder of the week did not go as I would have liked when expecting to collect a new car (I will NOT go into all the detail and nitty gritty about the stress caused, excuses, bullshit and utter lack of interest) from the sales exec the minute I paid my deposit – I suspect any decent money he was to make from the sale of my car went down the toilet with the offer from Dean :tearsofjoy: – to put it this way, the car was originally booked for collection Friday afternoon, I sat at his desk Thursday and confirmed this 3 times which he assured me would happen – I called mid-day Friday to hear the car was still on the display ramp outside for their “Special Sales Weekend”, at which point I unloaded on the sales exec who just wanted me off the phone as he said he was sitting with other customer, I shouted at him tough **** and made the conversation really difficult for him to hide that he was in an argument on the phone, infront of his customers sat at his desk, I told him I AM YOUR CUSTOMER with a sale and arranged collection that afternoon and he was putting further potential sales before me, he had done nothing towards getting the car ready – but as we know, new sales are more important than one already done with discount - I finally pushed to get his **** into gear to get the car ready for the next morning. This again made me think about 2015 dealing with Jason which was an absolute pleasure and effortless over the almost 8 months waiting time. Portsmouth Audi have lost a bloody good sales exec. I really hope he finds a way to see the better side of life with his illness.


    Anyhoo.. onto the car starting with the Spec:

    Floret Silver
    Black Styling Pack w/black door mirrors
    SSS with grey stitch
    Extended interior upholstery pack
    Black roof rails
    Red brake calipers
    Comfort and Sound Pack
    Carbon interior trim
    Folding/heated door mirrors
    Pano roof
    Privacy glass
    RS Sports exhaust
    RS Mag Ride suspension
    255 front tyres with gloss anthracite black wheels
    boot protection mat, double sided/folding
    Along with all the standard bells and whistles


    Collection was the following Saturday morning 9am, I drove away a little before 10 with a gigantic smile on my face.

    I did say in my OP there were glaringly obvious differences, firstly - one of which I have already mentioned towards the beginning of this post, the sound, and yes, from inside the cabin, so well insulated it takes any drama of engine/exhaust note completely away from the drivers seat but DOES NOT take it away from the outside, imo the car sounds equally or dare I say, mildly better outside of the car. In reality, the loud pops bangs and cracks are missing, but I can get those from what sounds like every single chav corsa, fiesta or focus (all variants LOL) with what sounds like a straight through exhaust that drives by has taken to the extreme – these have become a must have, including the rather obnoxious crackle maps, for all car “enthusiasts” by all accounts and I now believe a better exhaust note with low bass and burbles which emphasise the audi 5pot to perfection is the way forward.
    IMO of course.

    Secondly, the most obvious difference was the quality of handling, this was immediately noticeable with the same tyres as my PFL which also had H&R rear ARB, this new car felt leagues above that, even above the level when adding the rear ARB to my PFL which took that leagues above stock for turn in. The car cuts into corners more and more the tighter you turn and adding some throttle just forces it to cut in even more, just astounding what Audi have done.

    Thirdly, the other obvious difference was the display, yeah I know, clearly obvious, but I found that it did not distract away from the road/driving in any way, as if it was a natural digital display that always belonged in the dash, clear, concise, functional. And beautiful.



    So the obvious done, a little more on the rest:

    General: Looks- well it’s still a sportback with the sportback shape, same wheels, same pano roof, same privacy glass, same seats etc etc etc.. front styling appears to be a little more aggressive in black pack and the rear is pretty identical to my previous car (I had FL lights and Milltek exhaust with black tips) so in general, I know what I was gonna get so no complaints.

    Lights- (non-matrix) though not immediate to me as it was a gorgeous sunny day when I collected, the new LED headlights are no doubt a hugely massive improvement over the 1st generation LED headlights. I remember going back to Audi with my PFL complaining that the light weren’t set or levelled correctly as their dispersion and output was very poor, only to be told they we set correctly. Disappoint. These new LED’s are, imo, better than the Xenon lights fitted to my S3 8v and even better than the best lights I have ever had in a car, HID fitted to my 2002 and 2006 Honda S2000. These give a perfect dispersion, output and spread with immense illumination.
    I coded my PFL headlights to give a rated output from 100% to a maximum 127% - though not a world changing improvement, did give better dispersion and illumination. Xenon are much better than the 1st gen LED headlights.

    Engine / performance- Not gonna even pretend to know the ins-and-outs of the new engine, but I do know the way this engine responds and the way the transmission and haldex react along with the engine, this feels like a modified PFL car – duh yeah, you say, it had more power – but seriously, it feels like a modified PFL car! Bum dyno ftw :laughing: – though the car will see SRR in two weeks to see what it outputs stock and 1000 (give or take by then) miles on the clock.
    Start up noise, not really an issue for 20 seconds, but can be overcome by leaving the ADS in dynamic. I have found the noise is gone and not needed to cycle back to dynamic. Not sure if this is standard to what others experience, bit deffo in my experience.

    VC- yeah, already said, this is a very natural display to look at and it does not invite you to stare in awe at it whilst driving, almost as if it has always belonged and cars have had these full digital displays for years. Amazing with the full nav with google earth overlay and (as I’ve begun to learn) very configurable to suit your individual preference. I still utilise the MMI pop up screen for nav as it’s what I’m used too, but sure the natural move to doing nav and controls form the VC will come with time.

    Controls (steering wheel)- these have changed – the stalks have been redesigned to an extent they have more squared edges than the PFL which make them feel a little cheap and tacky, you really feel the edges of the stalks push into your fingers when using the wipers/indicator which makes them a very minor negative. PFL wins for tactile feel of the controls :icon thumright:

    Alcantara- steering wheel change to 3 and 9 positions- :angry: need I say more. PFL wins again here.

    Carbon interior trim- I’ve mentioned this before but just to re-iterate, save your money, stick with the no cost option 3D titanium – equally as nice, Audi dropped the ball here as previously there wasn’t the 3D titanium option (to my knowledge) but to make this available on the FL really devalues the carbon at £850. Madness.

    Music- I have said the car spec included Comfort and Sound Pack but another obvious difference to me when driving the car is that my music sounds a little odd, I couldn’t quite place it at first until it dawned on me – I can actually hear it properly hahahahahahaha – yes another dig at the cabin sound which is very quiet as you do not get the exhaust drama as a constant backing track – but please remember and always tell yourself – outside the car, it sounds immense.

    Overall-

    Well this is always going to be subjective and moving from a PFL to FL RS3 is something people want to understand if it is really worth it, the whole package as a car it is easily defined as being better – the handling and engine support this and, again, subjective the exhaust which is not to be considered a step down, no even a side step, everything put together is easily a step up.

    First time owners into an RS3 can easily say it is an outstanding package that delivers what was promised - those moving from PFL to FL can also say it is an outstanding package that has made enough improvements over the PFL to differentiate those improvements into a positive purchase, but only if you can justify the cost and by that I mean the cost in selling the PFL (hopefully with positive equity) and how much you want to spec/spend on the new car –

    Selling my Glutornage with positive equity and a very decent discount (for me and my financial choices it was) made me take that leap and I believe I was very lucky to find a brand new car with next to near perfect spec just sitting there waiting for me in the dealership that day, so for me this was definitely a right choice and logical move.
     
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  36. monopole

    monopole reformation proclamation Team Floret Silver Audi RS3 Sportback

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    One thing I want to add and it may sound as it should have been an obvious comparison is the colour - not from my perspective but from my perception of other drivers..

    I never really felt, in 2.5 years ownership, any pressure, goading, pushing or trying to get me to race or force my hand in the orange car and almost most of the time I was given space on the road - in the first week alone driving my silver car, I can only describe as people just want me out of their way ALL the time, even to overtake from being behind me in slow (10mph) traffic and cutting in front just to sit there (now in front of me) at the junction for 2 minutes.. has left be baffled as to what their perception of a what a silver RS3 actually is - but my perception is it is massively understated (a good thing) and something not to be messed with (a lesson they'll soon not forget :tearsofjoy:)
     
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    I’ve been in my saloon since Easter and absolutely love it. Agree with all points, coming from a B7 RS4, it’s light years ahead (actually 13 years ahead! Lol).
    I picked mine up as an ex demo but v-low mileage. It’s got me in to an FL RS3 for well under 40k. IMO they aren’t worth the 50k+ price tag.
     
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  38. D0C

    D0C Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team Panther Audi RS3 TTRS

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    I was a big critic of the exhaust sound on the new engine versus my PFL RS3. I still think the PFL beats it, but will admit that with more time listening to it that it is a great sound and very, very different. I'd love a few pops and crackles on downshifts, but even so, I'm happy with it.
     
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    jungle650 Well-Known Member Team Daytona TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi RS3 quattro S tronic MQB Platform DSG

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    Down shift at about 2k rpm in dynamic mode with a hot engine and you will get crackles and some decent sounds from the FL car. I love ploding around in 3rd gear at 30 and down shifting to 2nd and 1st around 2k rpm as you slow down to zero .... :) :)
     
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    D0C Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team Panther Audi RS3 TTRS

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    Yep, agree. Noted on here previously that you're better downshifting lower in the rev range versus the PFL to get some gurgles. Would still like a few more though.

    I really don't like downshifting higher up in the rev range as it can sound a bit nasty tbh. A bit whiney. PFL probably the same but is masked by the artillery fire!
     
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    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Audi RS4

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    Always the chav @D0C ;)

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    Glad your enjoying the car.. looks stunning in silver ... Portsmouth Audi won’t ever get my business .. shocking dealership very arrogant never followed up when I requested a test drive needless to say I took my business elsewhere
     
  43. PanamaS3

    PanamaS3 Well-Known Member Team Glacier Audi S3 Black Edition S3 Saloon DSG

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    nice to hear your more detailed thoughts @monopole ....so thanks for that
    I've been kicking colours around in my head for a while now....floret being the one that keeps pulling me back....but its interesting to note the psychological effects of an exclusive colour (as you had before) and does make me think a bit more.
    Are you going to put lower springs on as you had before? I'm waiting with interest to see what others think after installing MSS kit....
     

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