new to audi and having roof problems

jay maxfield

Registered User
hi hope you guys can help me , just got myself audi a4 3.0 convertible b6 model and the roof was working fine then all of a sudden the roof light was flashing on dash [ about 10 times] and windows will go half way down then nothing at all tried doing the manual rest putting roof up and down 2 times but still nothing working .
cheers jay
 

pauldazzle

Registered User
Welcome to ASN. Weekends are usually quiet on here so be patient. Worth using the forum search facility as there's bound to be a cab owner whose had the same problem.
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
Welcome to ASN. Weekends are usually quiet on here so be patient. Worth using the forum search facility as there's bound to be a cab owner whose had the same problem.
thanks
yeah i have done a search and tried cleaning the motor with some fine sand paper liked the guide so still stuck with what to do next dont know if its the roof postion sensor or the motor is knackered thanks again
 

Cabbyfan

Registered User
A scan will help determine if its a micro switch issue or similar. Most roof issues are micro switch related :)
 

brasiliangringo

Registered User
Does the roof top latch mechanism unhook (x2 hooks) from above the sun visor areas both sides when you drop it ? Ive just completely overhauled one of these on an 02' plate.
 

brasiliangringo

Registered User
When you get the diagnostics on it (VCDS) here is a link to the most useful 'map' telling you what positions the roof switches should be in for open or closed state of the roof - ''I'' being on ''O'' off. In short, the ECU for the roof requires each of the switch positions to be correct in order for the next sequence to occur and as you have probably realised, there are numours steps involved from the windows dropping, to the hood releasing at the front and so on..

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Audi_A4_(8E)_Automatic_Roof

Audi A4 Cab internal Training / Self Study guide, released at launch :

http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_278.pdf
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
Does the roof top latch mechanism unhook (x2 hooks) from above the sun visor areas both sides when you drop it ? Ive just completely overhauled one of these on an 02' plate.
nothing unlocks,


the windows go half way down and then nothing just the flashing roof light on dash .
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
When you get the diagnostics on it (VCDS) here is a link to the most useful 'map' telling you what positions the roof switches should be in for open or closed state of the roof - ''I'' being on ''O'' off. In short, the ECU for the roof requires each of the switch positions to be correct in order for the next sequence to occur and as you have probably realised, there are numours steps involved from the windows dropping, to the hood releasing at the front and so on..

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Audi_A4_(8E)_Automatic_Roof

Audi A4 Cab internal Training / Self Study guide, released at launch :

http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_278.pdf

Thanks
 

brasiliangringo

Registered User
Comparing that map I hve linked is the best way to figure out your problem but until u get that far and obtain diagnostics, I will ask if there is a motor spinning sound when roof shut and you press button to open hood. The sound will eminate from where you put the emergency key Middle top to close hood. You may also see a spindle moving but nothing happening ? This is one problem area with the motor spindle wearing and slipping out of its linkage, but there is a repair kit availabe from vag.
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
Comparing that map I hve linked is the best way to figure out your problem but until u get that far and obtain diagnostics, I will ask if there is a motor spinning sound when roof shut and you press button to open hood. The sound will eminate from where you put the emergency key Middle top to close hood. You may also see a spindle moving but nothing happening ? This is one problem area with the motor spindle wearing and slipping out of its linkage, but there is a repair kit availabe from vag.

ok thanks will have a look and try this out cheers
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
Comparing that map I hve linked is the best way to figure out your problem but until u get that far and obtain diagnostics, I will ask if there is a motor spinning sound when roof shut and you press button to open hood. The sound will eminate from where you put the emergency key Middle top to close hood. You may also see a spindle moving but nothing happening ? This is one problem area with the motor spindle wearing and slipping out of its linkage, but there is a repair kit availabe from vag.

i have had a look and when i press the roof down button i can hear a click but only happens once ,
and the spindle does`nt move at all
is it a main dealer job for diagnositics?
 

Darran

Registered User
where are you, plenty of ppl on here can help with diagnostic check as many of us have vcds system.
 

Darran

Registered User
Im not sure that the way you did the reset is right, this is correct way.
Unlock roof, fold down and lock rear panel THEN hold switch upwards(as if opening the roof) turn ignition on for 20 seconds, turn ignition off and release button. Put roof back up and lock THEN hold roof switch down (as if closing) turn ignition on for 20 seconds , turn ignition off then release switch.

This is the correct way to line up sensors an reset roof module.
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
Im not sure that the way you did the reset is right, this is correct way.
Unlock roof, fold down and lock rear panel THEN hold switch upwards(as if opening the roof) turn ignition on for 20 seconds, turn ignition off and release button. Put roof back up and lock THEN hold roof switch down (as if closing) turn ignition on for 20 seconds , turn ignition off then release switch.

This is the correct way to line up sensors an reset roof module.
oh ok,
yeah didn`t do it like that will try it tomorrow thanks jay
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
Im not sure that the way you did the reset is right, this is correct way.
Unlock roof, fold down and lock rear panel THEN hold switch upwards(as if opening the roof) turn ignition on for 20 seconds, turn ignition off and release button. Put roof back up and lock THEN hold roof switch down (as if closing) turn ignition on for 20 seconds , turn ignition off then release switch.

This is the correct way to line up sensors an reset roof module.

Tried this and still nothing so maybe motor packed up , just waiting on a guy close to me to help with dianotics to find any error code to detemine whats wrong
thanks jay
 

stagedreiaudi

Registered User
I had this same issue. Your best bet is to diagnose otherwise you will have to check all window motors to include door lock mechanisms. I had one out and the whole car acted funny. Just a suggestion but hopefully you will get it diagnosed.
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
I had this same issue. Your best bet is to diagnose otherwise you will have to check all window motors to include door lock mechanisms. I had one out and the whole car acted funny. Just a suggestion but hopefully you will get it diagnosed.
Ok thanks
what ended up been wrong with yours
 

stagedreiaudi

Registered User
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Have you checked this? they are very prone to breaking due to cheap plastic. The cable pops out of its guide and you will only hear a click or two.
 

stagedreiaudi

Registered User
no not checked this .
where is this on the car
thanks jay
It will be inside the door you will need to take the door panel off and pull the foam/moisture barrier back and it is on the metal bracket running up . I'll take a picture for u to show you. Just give me a few. I'm in the states so time difference; )
 

stagedreiaudi

Registered User
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K I hope your mechanically inclined lol . There is a cable that runs on the back of this where you can't see it. To check to see if yours came out you will need to temporarily plug your window up and be careful but you can put some gloves on and see if you feel a notch moving any where up and down on there but your window won't move just clicks. If so you can replace the green part only but it's tricky. It took me 15 minutes. There is a possibility that your regulator is completely shot in that case it's a nightmare job but doable. Lmk what you find out. Cheers!
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
right guys had the car scanned last night and these were the faults that the scanner threw up,
big thanks to js3 for dianosting
Tuesday,03,March,2015,18:36:05:20352
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.0.0 (x64)
Data version: 20141022


VIN: WAUZZZ8H63K018696 License Plate: JAY
Mileage: 160980km-100028mi Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 8H (8H - Audi Cabrio B6/B7 (2003 > 2009))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 26 36 37 45 46 55 56 57
63 65 67 73 75 76 77

VIN: WAUZZZ8H63K018696 Mileage: 160980km-100028miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06C-909-559-ASN.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 909 559 H HW: 8E0 909 059
Component: 3.0L V6/5V G 0003
Coding: 0011584
Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
VCID: 3A70DAAE761019F161F-5102

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0001

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01J-927-156.lbl
Part No: 01J 927 156 CS
Component: V30 01J 3.0l 5V RdW 3031
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 7F06EBBA7DB2FCD9161-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
Part No: 8E0 614 517
Component: ABS/ESP front 1726
Coding: 04499
Shop #: WSC 00672
VCID: 65CA59D2FF2E4609FCD-5102

1 Fault Found:
01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
35-10 - - - Intermittent

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
Part No: 8E0 820 043 L
Component: A4 Klimaautomat 1116
Coding: 00100
Shop #: WSC 00672
VCID: 2A50EAEED6B0A97111F-5120

1 Fault Found:
00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65)
29-00 - Short to Ground

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
Part No: 8E0 907 279 E
Component: int. Lastmodul RDW 0305
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00672
VCID: 346CF4960474EF81BB3-4ACE

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8H0-959-655-84.lbl
Part No: 8H0 959 655 B
Component: Airbag 8.4EC 1015
Coding: 0011104
Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
VCID: 3972C5A2731612E9685-5102

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
Part No: 8E0 953 549 N
Component: Lenksáulenmodul 0308
Coding: 01141
Shop #: WSC 00672
VCID: 3E78D6BE3A3835D15D7-4ACE

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
Part No: 8H0 920 950 D
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D16
Coding: 00401
Shop #: WSC 00779
VCID: 2D5AE1F2E75EBE49F4D-5102
WAUZZZ8H63K018696 AUZ6Z0B0339767

3 Faults Found:
01176 - Key
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
00830 - Convertible Top Control Module (J256)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01304 - Radio
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 26: Auto Roof Labels: 8H0-959-255.lbl
Part No: 8H0 959 255
Component: VSG B6 CABRIO 6185
Shop #: WSC 00672 785 00200
VCID: 73EE378A11FAA8B9629-5102

5 Faults Found:
02000 - Switch Position
008 - Implausible Signal
01996 - Convertible Top Lock Switch (F294); Open
008 - Implausible Signal
01995 - Convertible Top Lock Switch (F295); Closed
008 - Implausible Signal
01988 - Convertible Top Operation Switch (E137); Close
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.lbl
Part No: 8H0 959 433 D
Component: Komfortgerát T3B 1210
Coding: 06795
Shop #: WSC 00672
VCID: 356AC9920F0EF6898CD-4ACE

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8H2959802
Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0003

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8H2959801
Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0001

Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8H0959801A
Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 1.60

Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8H0959802A
Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 1.60

12 Faults Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
29-00 - Short to Ground
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
01368 - Alarm triggered by Luggage Compartment Switch
35-00 - -
01369 - Alarm triggered by Hood Switch
35-00 - -
01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01572 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Passenger Side
35-00 - -
00956 - Key 2
35-10 - - - Intermittent
00830 - Convertible Top Control Module (J256)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
00934 - Electric Window Motor; Rear Left (V26)
62-10 - No or Incorrect Adjustment - Intermittent
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
37-00 - Faulty
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389)
37-00 - Faulty
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
then after clearing these this was the recurring fault:

Tuesday,03,March,2015,18:53:48:20352
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.0.0 (x64)
Data version: 20141022




Address 26: Auto Roof Labels: 8H0-959-255.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 8H0 959 255
Component and/or Version: VSG B6 CABRIO 6185
Software Coding:
Work Shop Code: WSC 00672 785 00200
VCID: 73EE378A11FAA8B9629-5120
1 Fault Found:

01996 - Convertible Top Lock Switch (F294); Open
008 - Implausible Signal
 

Darran

Registered User
Ok , you need to open the roof Manually and the boot flap, fold the roof into the boot space,you will then see a row of pozzy drive screws which are along the front edge of the inside of the roof. Under these screws is the motor and switch , remove the screws and the plastic cover. Now you can see the motor with 2 arms on it.First switch ignition on and hold the open roof button. What happens is the gear in the center of the motor which drives the arms to release the catches sometimes disengages (especially if you have put the manual tool in it) and does not drop back into its meshing position. If that does not work you have to take the motor off and the arms which are on a ball and socket configuration,turn the motor upside down and you will see the main mechanism (looks like a circle with cutouts at each end )whats happened is that circle has not turned far enough and hit the microswitch , so you need to hold the motor in your hand whilst someone presses the switch to the open roof position,you should see the circle mechanism move to its correct position,once that has happened put it all back together,reset the roof how i said before and all should be good.

I will pm you my mobile in case its all a bit much and i'll talk you through it, before doing all above get a torch and shine it up into where the manually key goes and see if you can see if gear has disengaged, i bet it has, its very common.
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
Ok , you need to open the roof Manually and the boot flap, fold the roof into the boot space,you will then see a row of pozzy drive screws which are along the front edge of the inside of the roof. Under these screws is the motor and switch , remove the screws and the plastic cover. Now you can see the motor with 2 arms on it.First switch ignition on and hold the open roof button. What happens is the gear in the center of the motor which drives the arms to release the catches sometimes disengages (especially if you have put the manual tool in it) and does not drop back into its meshing position. If that does not work you have to take the motor off and the arms which are on a ball and socket configuration,turn the motor upside down and you will see the main mechanism (looks like a circle with cutouts at each end )whats happened is that circle has not turned far enough and hit the microswitch , so you need to hold the motor in your hand whilst someone presses the switch to the open roof position,you should see the circle mechanism move to its correct position,once that has happened put it all back together,reset the roof how i said before and all should be good.

I will pm you my mobile in case its all a bit much and i'll talk you through it, before doing all above get a torch and shine it up into where the manually key goes and see if you can see if gear has disengaged, i bet it has, its very common.

hi darran have done another manual reset and then unlocked the roof with the key then used the roof switch to fully open the roof and this seems to have worked , the roof now locks and unlocks and go`s up and down like it should ,
thanks for the replys and help cheers jay
 

Cabbyfan

Registered User
Another one to watch is the "top box" error. When looking into the boot, there is a hidden microswitch at the very bottom so when the storage system is fully lowered which tells the system there is space for roof to fold into. After time the topbox system can get worn and the switch doesn't always engage. Very now and then I have to tap the underside of the lid so it drops fully down :)
 

jay maxfield

Registered User
Another one to watch is the "top box" error. When looking into the boot, there is a hidden microswitch at the very bottom so when the storage system is fully lowered which tells the system there is space for roof to fold into. After time the topbox system can get worn and the switch doesn't always engage. Very now and then I have to tap the underside of the lid so it drops fully down :)

Cheers will keep an eye on that one thanks
 
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