2008 was pre-facelift so would need a replacement regulator. Remember the battery management moved from it's own module to being on the gateway, and that uses a different signal.
That’s correct and v6 engines needs entire generator swap. For 2.0 R4 just regulator will do. This is due to different construction of the alternators. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I just changed the regulator on my V6 TDi engine, there were two possible alternators for the V6, one was Bosch and the other was Valeo and I was just able to replace the regulator on my Valeo unit. It could be the Bosch required a full replacement.
this means that i`ll have to get someone to change the alternator and have the new BEM installed and wired at the same time. I`m driving for almost an year with the old BEM and facelift gateway, but im tired of the error codes in engine, can and radio...
Yeah you will need get rid of BEM on the back, run cable From pin2 of your gateway to the battery with new “minus” clamp to pin1. Elsawin will tell you the details but surely you need a single wire from pin2 GW to your boot and take it from there. No wiring change on generator itself. Just a swap. Lee is right - I forgot about Valeo thing Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I did that when i was installing the camera video feed to the head unit, also i have created an adapter harness to plug into the 14 pin old plug of the prefacelift BEM. Just to point that you can tap into the wire on the lower part of A-pillar. I have all set up and waiting, except the alternator. I went to the dealership but they could not tell me if i have bosch or valeo unit. It has to be checked under the car...
Hi B5Nut, perhaps you could help me out as i am bit out of ideas...i have '09 C6 with a 3G High and have done the retrofit to 3Gp. The unit comes from a Q5 but it was previously installed in an C6. My problem is that most of the features are greyed out and so far i've come to the conclusion that i would need to flash my CAN to 0035 SW version, is that correct? My CAN currently runs on 0024SW version. Also, i've got AAS and the menu only come up if i use Q7 in the green menu, if i use C6 it will not show on the MMI. Car and Tel buttons are reversed, is there anything that cand be done to sort these out as well? Address 5F: Information Electr. Labels: 4E0-035-6XX-5F.CLB Control Module Part Number: 8R2 035 666 L HW: 8R2 035 666 C Component and/or Version: H-BN-EU H46 1036 Software Coding: 040100010102FBFD41009F5EFF5F2003E40000020100000002 Work Shop Code: WSC 06335 123 12345 VCID: 4280A859DD67465FCF-8016 3 Faults Found: 03276 - Please Check Software Version Management 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 6 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 243 Mileage: 254252 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2019.09.13 Time: 20:40:33 Freeze Frame: Text: DU9356,Front,M,0,0,6 03278 - Functionality Limited due to Missing Messages 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 6 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 243 Mileage: 254252 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2019.09.13 Time: 20:40:41 Freeze Frame: Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00001000 03623 - Invalid Security/Release Code 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 6 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 243 Mileage: 254252 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2019.09.13 Time: 20:40:32 Freeze Frame: Hex Value: 0x0004 Hex Value: 0x0009 Count: 7
Unfortunately I cannot remember what the software version of my gateway was, it's been almost 5 years since I did the install. I do know the gateway I used was from a late model Q7 4L. You need the 5F module in Q7 mode, A6 won't work as that it's for the later C7 model which uses a higher speed can system. The old Q7 4L had 3GP and it basically the same electronics & CAN-BUS as the C6. Nothing you can do about the buttons being revered. Here is a link to remove 2 of the fault codes https://upgrademyaudi.net/tutorials/03276-please-check-software-version-management-how-to-remove/ I had fault code 03278, don't think you will ever git rid of that fault.
after trying different configurations today i have made some progress, as in it all works but the Time and Service Interval which are greyed out and now i am really hitting the wall as i can't seem to be able to find the right configuration within the Green menu for these last 2 features, any suggestions? Definetely if i put 0 in the carmneuoperation the functions do not show up at all on the MMI, if i set it as i should they show up but greyed out. I can only think that the secret lies within the checking or un-checking it in the cardevicelist and carprotocolswitch, but then when you ad the carbusassignment the list of possible combinations is quite very large....
For the clock to work do the following. - cardevicelist -> select "clock" - carprotocollswitch -> "clock" not select
Thanks B5Nut for taking your time to answer, i got it all fully functional now with a combination of checking and uncheking in a few places in the green menu plus carbusassignment. There is one more thing which i am missing, but i think this is due to the way the newer system work, on the old MMI 3g High i had the option to configure what the onboard computer shows on the IC. On this this MMI 3gp i don't find such an option, have looked in a mates C7 and it doesn't have it, not a big deal since i had everything checked anyways so i have the full info on the IC.
Are you referring to FIS/cluster options configurable via MMI? If so - after 3GP retrofit that option is not existing so nothing to worry about. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
yes, that is the one i am referring to. I thought so too that is no longer available, so how would you go about configure that if you wished so? As i said, i don't need to do that, just curious what would be the route...
the problem with the incorrectly labeled buttons after the retrofit to 3GP can be sorted by getting an MMI controller unit form a Q7 facelift and swapping the buttons over to the C6 controller, they fit 100% our panel...so i am now looking for one
Good luck with the search. when I was looking at them 4/5 years ago they made strong money and not worth it for a couple of buttons.
Great thread lots of information, Im about to do this in an A8 D3 with ACC using a Q7 5F - 4L2035746B, Im trying to find a gateway with 71 software, do anyone have or know where to get the update file? thanks
Just for reference for people, if you fit 3g high with original prefacelift cluster and gateway 0071 time and measurements units will work, if you have fitted facelift cluster 0071 will not work with above so you need later gateway with BEM on gateway module
First off, thanks to those who have pioneered these retrofits and shared your experiences. I wouldn't have attempted this without it. I'm in the middle of a 3G to 3G+ retrofit in a 2010 C6. The head unit came from an A8 and everything else is original from my vehicle. I've got it functional but with some issues. I've done everything I could find on the web, but the usual fixes are not working for me. I don't know if these are hardware compatibility issues or software/coding combinations I haven't managed to get just right yet. My clocks (gauge cluster and MMI screen) do not match and I can't set the time or date on either one. MMI screen shows --:-- and the options to set the time are grayed out. Basically all settings under the Car menus are grayed out. No amount of fiddling with green menu/VCDS has unlocked any of these. I realize some of them will not be compatible with my vehicle and that's fine. I should at least be able to adjust int/ext lighting, central locking, etc. My steering wheel controls don't work (except paddles and heated wheel on/off button). I no longer get MMI info at the top of the driver information display on the cluster. I could live without this one, but knowing the capability is there I want to make it work. I can still scroll through the other options with the buttons on the wiper stalk. *edit: removed VCDS scan text
Please sick up a full (unedited )VCDS scan it may give more information on the hardware installed on your car.
Also I got my mmi 3g high fully working with 26 pin gateway, had to deactivate 3g mmi installed option instrument cluster(17) adaptions, wonder if chap above needs to activate it and do opposite to what I done?
As it's 3GP he is fitting he will need the newer gateway. 26Pin one won't work correctly with the 3GP system.
Just been through this tread and the images are no longer loading. This must have happened during the outage last week. I'll see if the admin team can take a look, but I've already change all the links away from photobucket a couple of years back when they started to charge, so moved them to a new site and don't really want to spend the time changing them again.
Sorry I meant just the instrument cluster to activate 3g mmi in adaption not gateway, sorry for confusion
Thanks guys! Latest auto scan is below if it allows it. Kept getting flagged for spam when I had it included in the first post. Regarding the suggestion to de-activate 3G in the cluster, I considered this but don't think I've tried it yet. Will do this afternoon. Code: Wednesday,15,April,2020,15:57:27:58743 VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64 VCDS Version: 20.4.0.1 (x64) HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4 Data version: 20200331 DS317.0 www.Ross-Tech.com Dealer/Shop Name: HOME VIN: WAU4GBFBXAN045143 License Plate: A6 Mileage: 147350km-91559mi Repair Order: 20200415-01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chassis Type: FB-AU56 (4F0) Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 0E 15 16 17 19 36 42 46 47 4C 4F 52 53 55 56 5F 62 6C 6D 72 VIN: WAU4GBFBXAN045143 Mileage: 147350km-91559miles 01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000 02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000 03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000 04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000 05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000 08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000 09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000 0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: OK 0000 15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000 16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000 17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000 19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000 36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000 42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000 46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000 47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000 4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: OK 0000 4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000 52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000 53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000 55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000 56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000 5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000 6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000 6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000 72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 01: Engine (CCA) Labels:. 06E-907-551-CAJ.clb Part No SW: 4F1 910 551 D HW: 4F1 907 551 Component: 3.0l V6 TFSI 0020 Revision: --H06--- Serial number: Coding: 010D000A190F0120 Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200 VCID: A40444E3673E08A6C6-80F0 No fault code found. Readiness: 0000 0000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl Part No SW: 4F9 910 156 A HW: 09L 927 156 C Component: AG6 09L 3,0TFSI USA 0020 Revision: --H05--- Serial number: 4560765 Coding: 0000002 Shop #: WSC 41184 001 1048576 VCID: AA18AADB051ADED6FC-80FE No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4F0-910-517.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 517 AL HW: 4F0 614 517 BA Component: ESP8 quattro H03 0060 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000000000 Coding: 0020921 Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200 VCID: EE9066CBF972F2F660-80BA No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. Labels:. 4F0-910-852.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 852 B HW: 4F0 905 852 E Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV H05 0100 Revision: 00H05000 Serial number: 10602501435678 Coding: 0000135 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 VCID: A50259E76C04F1AED1-80F0 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 132 L Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS H03 0020 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 335 B Component: FBSAUDIC6 KSG H03 0020 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 4F0-910-043.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 043 B HW: 4F1 820 043 AL Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH30 0080 Revision: 00000074 Serial number: 00000000687979 Coding: 0524582 Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200 VCID: 9D7271074454396E89-80C8 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 M HW: 4F0 907 279 A Component: ILM Fahrer H22 0320 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 4F0907279 Coding: 0139123 Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200 VCID: B326B7BFD2D09F1E4F-80E6 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F1 910 113 D Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB Component: Wischer AudiC6 H10 0040 Coding: 00056595 Shop #: WSC 02335 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8K0 910 557 Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH04 0003 Coding: 00146221 Shop #: WSC 02335 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 0E: Media Player 1 (R41) Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 035 110 A HW: 4F0 035 110 Component: CDC-MP3-Alp H44 0140 Revision: AA001001 VCID: 956269277C64612E41-80C0 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:* 4F0-910-655-10.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 655 R HW: 4F0 959 655 H Component: Airbag AU1042 H06 0160 Revision: -------- Serial number: 003FA0013YUA Coding: 303142373034303030324A55304C34463053 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 ASAM Dataset: EV_Airba10AURB4 001001 ROD: EV_Airba10AURB4.rod VCID: B6208EAB09A28A3668-80E2 Seat occupied recognition: Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4F0 910 339 B HW: 4F0 959 339 B Component: BF-Gewichtss. H03 0060 Serial number: 5810000R0000003CTX Coding: 000000 Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: Serial number: 3574SRB40000A21D11A+ Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: Serial number: 3584SRB40000A340622V Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: Serial number: 3516HRB402J9KI9ISKMO Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: Serial number: 3526HRB402T9LBCGU4C6 Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: Serial number: 3554NRB400005217DCC5 Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: Serial number: 3564NRB4000052B063AY No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 549 A HW: 4F0 953 549 C Component: J0527 0530 Revision: 00H06000 Serial number: 90055093140014 Coding: 0012342 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 VCID: A71E53EF1608E3BEE3-80F2 Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX Component: E0221 H02 0030 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:. 4F0-920-xxx-17.clb Part No SW: 4F0 920 983 H HW: 4F0 920 983 H Component: KOMBIINSTR. H08 0144 Revision: 00100000 Serial number: CN406ELC9 Coding: 8BDF12050B00D705020201 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: B12ABDB7E8CCAD0E3D-80E4 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 4F0-907-468.clb Part No SW: 4F0 907 468 M HW: 4F0 907 468 F Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H06 0035 Revision: LB100029 Serial number: 2900L09B068181 Coding: 000303 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: B93A859730BC654E85-80EC Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 C HW: 8K0 915 181 C Component: J367-BDM H07 0125 Serial number: 00000000002790803328 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136) Labels: None Part No SW: 4F0 959 760 C HW: 4F0 959 760 C Component: MEM-FS H08 0062 Revision: AA000000 Serial number: 00001010033638 Coding: 00581B00004011110000 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: B12ABDB7E8CCAD0E3D-80E4 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels:. 4F0-959-793.clb Part No SW: 4F0 959 793 R HW: 8K0 959 793 D Component: TSG FA H11 0250 Revision: Serial number: 0000102348829 Coding: 011F57204E40410001 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: C6C0FE6B71421AB6F8-8092 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 4F0-910-289.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 289 K HW: 4F0 907 289 K Component: Komfortgeraet H27 0220 Revision: 02200027 Serial number: 01238052570000 Coding: 8288925 Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200 VCID: B228B2BB2DCA961644-80E6 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H05 1501 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 47: Sound System (J525) Labels: Redir Fail! Part No SW: 4F0 035 223 P HW: 4F0 035 223 P Component: BOSE G3 C6 H01 0100 Revision: AG001300 Serial number: 00000000049144 Coding: 05010000 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: A91A55D7C01CD5CEF5-80FC No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 4C: Tire Pressure II Labels: 4F0-910-274.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 274 A HW: 4F0 907 274 Component: J793 RKA+ H02 0100 Revision: 00000506 Serial number: 00005061084500 Coding: 0623301 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 VCID: A20842FB7D2A0696B4-80F6 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 280 HW: 4F0 907 280 C Component: ILM Beifahrer H13 0100 Revision: Serial number: 00000000534329 Coding: 0002014 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 VCID: DEF0360B09D26276D0-808A No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels:. 4F0-959-792.clb Part No SW: 4F0 959 792 R HW: 8K0 959 792 D Component: TSG BF H11 0250 Revision: Serial number: 0000102365237 Coding: 011F57204E40410001 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: C5C2F9674C4411AEF1-8090 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 4F0-910-801.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 801 D HW: 4F0 907 801 B Component: EPB CEFC0090 H05 0090 Revision: --H05--- Coding: 0000222 Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200 VCID: A10A4DF7782C1D8EAD-80F4 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 357 HW: 4L0 907 357 Component: AFS 1 H01 0060 Revision: 00000001 Serial number: Coding: 0000026 Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200 VCID: E99A15D7C09C15CE35-80BC Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 941 329 D Component: AFS-Modul links H01 0010 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 941 329 D Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH01 0010 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 56: Radio (R) Labels: Redir Fail! Part No SW: 4F0 035 082 A HW: 4F0 035 082 Component: Radio U SIRIU H45 0021 Revision: AB001007 Serial number: 335KZ097540373 Coding: 020000010000000000 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: 9D7271078454396E89-80C8 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb Part No SW: 4H0 035 746 M HW: 4H0 035 746 C Component: H-BNT-NA H50 1038 Revision: -------- Serial number: 183BY0D7506544 Coding: 00020001000321AE410003446F632003140001000100000002 Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200 VCID: B228B2BBEDCA961644-80E6 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 BA Component: NAR 2013 0703 Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4F0 919 604 HW: 4F0 919 604 Component: DU7 High H43 0306 Serial number: 9356KH091130021 Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4F0 910 609 E HW: 4F1 919 611 T Component: Bedienteil MM H01 0060 Serial number: 00000001455548 Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 E Component: CD-Database 4949 3 Faults Found: 01043 - Control Module; Incorrect Software Version 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 5 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 203 Mileage: 147352 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.16 Time: 04:44:59 Freeze Frame: Bin. Bits: 10000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 01524 - Antenna for Telephone 011 - Open Circuit Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01101011 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 203 Mileage: 147352 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.16 Time: 04:45:10 Freeze Frame: Voltage: 12.10 V 03278 - Functionality Limited due to Missing Messages 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 6 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 203 Mileage: 147352 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.16 Time: 04:45:10 Freeze Frame: Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00001000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388) Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 M HW: 8K0 959 795 B Component: TSG HL H10 0251 Revision: Serial number: 0000102379026 Coding: 010E57204040220001 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: C3C6E77F42702F9EDF-8096 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 6C: Back-up Cam. Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 441 D HW: 4L0 907 441 B Component: J772__Rearview 0030 Revision: --H03--- Serial number: 525PA8-J9Y21HR Coding: 1000305 Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200 VCID: A10A4DF7782C1D8EAD-80F4 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 6D: Trunk Elect. Labels: Redir Fail! Part No SW: 4F9 910 591 HW: 4F9 827 851 G Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H29 0410 Revision: --H29001 Serial number: E5030000B Shop #: WSC 98765 666 38354 VCID: EC946CC3CF6E00E64E-80B8 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F9 910 592 Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H29 0410 Subsystem 2 - Serial number: E5030100B Subsystem 3 - Serial number: RD23.11.09--H29001001B0190ˇ Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 1B0190ˇ No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389) Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 M HW: 8K0 959 795 B Component: TSG HR H10 0251 Revision: Serial number: 0000102378995 Coding: 010E57204040220001 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: C3C6E77F42702F9EDF-8096 No fault code found. End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:02, VBatt start/end: 12.1V/12.1V)-----------
It should have the 20pin gateway (and does looking at the part number in the scan) however it's not going to have compatible 3GP software installed on it. I used a gateway from a Q7 as the facelift Q7 did have 3GP system installed from factory, and everything worked as it should (steering wheel controls, time, DIS, climate and vehicle settings) Now when I fitted 3GP 4/5 years ago the q7 gateway was the only option to get things working, however someone far more clever than I may have figured out how to update the A6 C6 20pin gateway with compatible 3GP software. But you would need to find the flash file if it exist and then get the tools to flash the gateway.
Sounds like the easiest path would just be to swap in a facelift Q7 gateway. Sidenote, my wife has a 2015 Q7, that’s what started this whole MMI upgrade endeavor... Would I also need to do the alternator swap?
Not 100% sure on that, but as you already have the 20pin gateway where the BCM is on the gateway so I think you will be OK for that. Remember if you change the gateway every module on the car that has component protection it will be enabled. So you will have to change it with the person/garage that has the ODIS tool.
No turning back now. I have a local tech who can remove CP. This seems to be the answer I’ve been looking for. Thanks so much guys! Off to eBay...
Comparing scans from my A6 and my wife’s Q7 (factory 3GP) I assume the critical element is the software suffix? 4F0 907 468 S
Yes, it needs to be from a FL Q7 so it has the later software, that was why I talked about flashing the gateway to a later version.
Ok, ordered a used gateway from a facelift Q7 and confirmed with my mechanic that they’ll remove protection for me after the swap. Should know something in a couple weeks. Shame the car has just been sitting in the garage most of the past 5 weeks.
So in the meantime I’m trying to figure out my data connection. I bought a generic gsm antenna on eBay and connected it to the back of the head unit but I get the antenna fault in VCDS and “no signal” on the phone settings in MMI. There’s no fakra cable going into the glove box. There appear to be 3 lines coming from the aerial antenna but I could only see the connectors on two. Blue (GPS) and white (radio?). If the third one is purple (phone) I suspect there’s an amplifier between the sharkfin and head unit. Does anyone know where it’s located on C6? Is this what it looks like? I’m thinking maybe in the dash next to glove box? I pulled off the side panels inside the tailgate and only found radio and backup cam modules. I’d like to know if I need to add just a wire from the booster, or if I also need to add the booster plus a line to the sharkfin etc.
I installed the gateway from a facelift Q7 and updated the coding and installation list to match my original gateway. It has put everything into protection as stated above. I'm still getting the previous faults in the MMI module though, "Incorrect Software Version" and "Functionality Limited due to Missing Messages", and menu screens are still grayed out as before. Should I expect component protection removal correct that or do I still have a software issue in the gateway? I'm hesitant to spend the money on CP removal if I don't yet have the correct hardware/software combo. I'm only out $45 for the gateway but CP removal will cost me more than that. Any thoughts? Here is my latest scan: Code: Wednesday,22,April,2020,22:34:49:58743 VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8.1 x64 VCDS Version: 20.4.0.1 (x64) HEX-NET CB: 0.4508.4 Data version: 20200331 DS317.0 www.Ross-Tech.com Dealer/Shop Name: HOME VIN: WAU4GBFBXAN045143 License Plate: A6 Mileage: 147380km-91577mi Repair Order: 20200422-02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chassis Type: FB-AU56 (4F0) Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 0E 15 16 17 19 36 42 46 47 4C 4F 52 53 55 56 5F 62 6C 6D 72 VIN: WAU4GBFBXAN045143 Mileage: 147380km-91577miles 01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000 02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000 03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000 04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000 05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010 09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000 0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: OK 0000 15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010 16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000 17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010 19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010 36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: Malfunction 0010 42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000 46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 47-Sound System -- Status: Malfunction 0010 4C-Tire Pressure II -- Status: OK 0000 4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000 52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000 53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000 55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000 56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010 5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000 6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000 6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000 72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 01: Engine (CCA) Labels:. 06E-907-551-CAJ.clb Part No SW: 4F1 910 551 D HW: 4F1 907 551 Component: 3.0l V6 TFSI 0020 Revision: --H06--- Serial number: Coding: 010D000A190F0120 Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200 VCID: A40444E3673E08A6C6-80F0 No fault code found. Readiness: 0000 0000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl Part No SW: 4F9 910 156 A HW: 09L 927 156 C Component: AG6 09L 3,0TFSI USA 0020 Revision: --H05--- Serial number: 4560765 Coding: 0000002 Shop #: WSC 41184 001 1048576 VCID: AA18AADB051ADED6FC-80FE No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4F0-910-517.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 517 AL HW: 4F0 614 517 BA Component: ESP8 quattro H03 0060 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000000000 Coding: 0020921 Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200 VCID: EE9066CBF972F2F660-80BA No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. Labels:. 4F0-910-852.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 852 B HW: 4F0 905 852 E Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV H05 0100 Revision: 00H05000 Serial number: 10602501435678 Coding: 0000135 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 VCID: A50259E76C04F1AED1-80F0 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 910 132 L Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS H03 0020 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 910 335 B Component: FBSAUDIC6 KSG H03 0020 1 Fault Found: 02095 - Component Protection Active 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 1 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 05:59:59 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 4F0-910-043.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 043 B HW: 4F1 820 043 AL Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH30 0080 Revision: 00000074 Serial number: 00000000687979 Coding: 0524582 Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200 VCID: 9D7271074454396E89-80C8 1 Fault Found: 02095 - Component Protection Active 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 1 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 06:00:17 Freeze Frame: Bin. Bits: 00001111 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 M HW: 4F0 907 279 A Component: ILM Fahrer H22 0320 Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 4F0907279 Coding: 0139123 Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200 VCID: B326B7BFD2D09F1E4F-80E6 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F1 910 113 D Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB Component: Wischer AudiC6 H10 0040 Coding: 00056595 Shop #: WSC 02335 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8K0 910 557 Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH04 0003 Coding: 00146221 Shop #: WSC 02335 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 0E: Media Player 1 (R41) Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 035 110 A HW: 4F0 035 110 Component: CDC-MP3-Alp H44 0140 Revision: AA001001 VCID: 956269277C64612E41-80C0 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:* 4F0-910-655-10.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 655 R HW: 4F0 959 655 H Component: Airbag AU1042 H06 0160 Revision: -------- Serial number: 003FA0013YUA Coding: 303142373034303030324A55304C34463053 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 ASAM Dataset: EV_Airba10AURB4 001001 ROD: EV_Airba10AURB4.rod VCID: B6208EAB09A28A3668-80E2 Seat occupied recognition: Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4F0 910 339 B HW: 4F0 959 339 B Component: BF-Gewichtss. H03 0060 Serial number: 5810000R0000003CTX Coding: 000000 Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side: Serial number: 3574SRB40000A21D11A+ Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side: Serial number: 3584SRB40000A340622V Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side: Serial number: 3516HRB402J9KI9ISKMO Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side: Serial number: 3526HRB402T9LBCGU4C6 Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side: Serial number: 3554NRB400005217DCC5 Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side: Serial number: 3564NRB4000052B063AY 1 Fault Found: 13697280 - Component Protection U1101 00 [137] - Active MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00000001 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 2 Mileage: 147389 km Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 06:14:07 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 549 A HW: 4F0 953 549 C Component: J0527 0530 Revision: 00H06000 Serial number: 90055093140014 Coding: 0012342 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 VCID: A71E53EF1608E3BEE3-80F2 Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX Component: E0221 H02 0030 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:. 4F0-920-xxx-17.clb Part No SW: 4F0 920 983 H HW: 4F0 920 983 H Component: KOMBIINSTR. H08 0144 Revision: 00100000 Serial number: CN406ELC9 Coding: 8BDF12050B00D705020201 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: B12ABDB7E8CCAD0E3D-80E4 1 Fault Found: 02095 - Component Protection Active 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 1 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 06:00:07 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 4F0-907-468.clb Part No SW: 4F0 907 468 R HW: 4F0 907 468 F Component: GW-BEM 4CAN-M H06 0058 Revision: LB600036 Serial number: 3600L125210328 Coding: 000303 Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001 VCID: BE30968B29924276B0-80EA Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8K0 915 181 C HW: 8K0 915 181 C Component: J367-BDM H07 0125 Serial number: 00000000002790803328 2 Faults Found: 02095 - Component Protection Active 008 - Implausible Signal Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01101000 Fault Priority: 1 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 11:21:51 Freeze Frame: Bin. Bits: 10111 Voltage: 11.40 V Count: 7 Text: FFF1746C20822101 Text: FFF1746C20822101 Raw, Index/Key Err.: 241 116 108 (no units): 33.0 02095 - Component Protection Active 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 1 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 11:21:53 Freeze Frame: Bin. Bits: 10111 Voltage: 11.40 V Count: 7 Text: FFF1746C20822101 Text: FFF1746C20822101 Raw, Index/Key Err.: 241 116 108 (no units): 33.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136) Labels: None Part No SW: 4F0 959 760 C HW: 4F0 959 760 C Component: MEM-FS H08 0062 Revision: AA000000 Serial number: 00001010033638 Coding: 00581B00004011110000 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: B12ABDB7E8CCAD0E3D-80E4 1 Fault Found: 02095 - Component Protection Active 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 3 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 06:00:14 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels:. 4F0-959-793.clb Part No SW: 4F0 959 793 R HW: 8K0 959 793 D Component: TSG FA H11 0250 Revision: Serial number: 0000102348829 Coding: 011F57204E40410001 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: C6C0FE6B71421AB6F8-8092 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 4F0-910-289.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 289 K HW: 4F0 907 289 K Component: Komfortgeraet H27 0220 Revision: 02200027 Serial number: 01238052570000 Coding: 8288925 Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200 VCID: B228B2BB2DCA961644-80E6 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H05 1501 1 Fault Found: 02095 - Component Protection Active 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 3 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 06:00:08 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 47: Sound System (J525) Labels: Redir Fail! Part No SW: 4F0 035 223 P HW: 4F0 035 223 P Component: BOSE G3 C6 H01 0100 Revision: AG001300 Serial number: 00000000049144 Coding: 05010000 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: A91A55D7C01CD5CEF5-80FC 1 Fault Found: 02095 - Component Protection Active 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 11:03:30 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 4C: Tire Pressure II Labels: 4F0-910-274.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 274 A HW: 4F0 907 274 Component: J793 RKA+ H02 0100 Revision: 00000506 Serial number: 00005061084500 Coding: 0623301 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 VCID: A20842FB7D2A0696B4-80F6 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl Part No SW: 4F0 910 280 HW: 4F0 907 280 C Component: ILM Beifahrer H13 0100 Revision: Serial number: 00000000534329 Coding: 0002014 Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200 VCID: DEF0360B09D26276D0-808A No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels:. 4F0-959-792.clb Part No SW: 4F0 959 792 R HW: 8K0 959 792 D Component: TSG BF H11 0250 Revision: Serial number: 0000102365237 Coding: 011F57204E40410001 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: C5C2F9674C4411AEF1-8090 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 4F0-910-801.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 801 D HW: 4F0 907 801 B Component: EPB CEFC0090 H05 0090 Revision: --H05--- Coding: 0000222 Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200 VCID: A10A4DF7782C1D8EAD-80F4 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl Part No SW: 4L0 910 357 HW: 4L0 907 357 Component: AFS 1 H01 0060 Revision: 00000001 Serial number: Coding: 0000026 Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200 VCID: E99A15D7C09C15CE35-80BC Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F0 941 329 D Component: AFS-Modul links H01 0010 Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4F0 941 329 D Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH01 0010 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 56: Radio (R) Labels: Redir Fail! Part No SW: 4F0 035 082 A HW: 4F0 035 082 Component: Radio U SIRIU H45 0021 Revision: AB001007 Serial number: 335KZ097540373 Coding: 020000010000000000 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: 9D7271078454396E89-80C8 1 Fault Found: 02095 - Component Protection Active 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 208 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 06:16:12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb Part No SW: 4H0 035 746 M HW: 4H0 035 746 C Component: H-BNT-NA H50 1038 Revision: -------- Serial number: 183BY0D7506544 Coding: 000200010003E1EE43000F446F632003140001000100000002 Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200 VCID: B228B2BBEDCA961644-80E6 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 BA Component: NAR 2013 0703 Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4F0 919 604 HW: 4F0 919 604 Component: DU7 High H43 0306 Serial number: 9356KH091130021 Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4F0 910 609 E HW: 4F1 919 611 T Component: Bedienteil MM H01 0060 Serial number: 00000001455548 Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 E Component: CD-Database 4949 4 Faults Found: 02095 - Component Protection Active 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 11:15:07 01043 - Control Module; Incorrect Software Version 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 5 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 11:15:06 Freeze Frame: Bin. Bits: 10000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000010 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 01524 - Antenna for Telephone 011 - Open Circuit Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01101011 Fault Priority: 7 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 11:15:17 Freeze Frame: Voltage: 11.60 V 03278 - Functionality Limited due to Missing Messages 000 - - Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 01100000 Fault Priority: 6 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 7 Mileage: 147389 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2009.06.23 Time: 11:15:16 Freeze Frame: Bin. Bits: 00000000 00000000 Bin. Bits: 00000000 00001000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388) Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 M HW: 8K0 959 795 B Component: TSG HL H10 0251 Revision: Serial number: 0000102379026 Coding: 010E57204040220001 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: C3C6E77F42702F9EDF-8096 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 6C: Back-up Cam. Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb Part No SW: 4F0 910 441 D HW: 4L0 907 441 B Component: J772__Rearview 0030 Revision: --H03--- Serial number: 525PA8-J9Y21HR Coding: 1000305 Shop #: WSC 02145 785 00200 VCID: A10A4DF7782C1D8EAD-80F4 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 6D: Trunk Elect. Labels: Redir Fail! Part No SW: 4F9 910 591 HW: 4F9 827 851 G Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H29 0410 Revision: --H29001 Serial number: E5030000B Shop #: WSC 98765 666 38354 VCID: EC946CC3CF6E00E64E-80B8 Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F9 910 592 Component: ValeoHeckdeckel H29 0410 Subsystem 2 - Serial number: E5030100B Subsystem 3 - Serial number: RD23.11.09--H29001001B0190ˇ Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 1B0190ˇ No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389) Labels:. 4F0-959-795.clb Part No SW: 4F0 959 795 M HW: 8K0 959 795 B Component: TSG HR H10 0251 Revision: Serial number: 0000102378995 Coding: 010E57204040220001 Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573 VCID: C3C6E77F42702F9EDF-8096 No fault code found. End----(Elapsed Time: 02:10, VBatt start/end: 11.7V/11.6V. VIgn 11.7V)-----
CP removal has to be done on every module, why did the garage not do that to start with as ODIS has an automated process to remove it from every module. With CP enabled on a lot of the module including the gateway & cluster you have no idea what restrictions are being place on the car. I would not be paying the garage to further CP removal, as they have not even done half a job.
Hi - just to be clear, I did the gateway swap and some VCDS coding only, on my own. I've not been to the garage yet for CP removal. They said they'll remove it from all modules no problem, I just need to schedule the visit. Thus far they have done all I've requested and offer very good work, just not cheap. My point was I'd like to be sure CP removal will re-gain control of the settings I'm after. Seems the way to go. Planning to get on their schedule for next week. Hope to report back with some success soon. Thanks again for the assistance and advice!
Actually it depends on the vehicle and the technician. If the vehicle allows it then a "targeted" CP removal is possible, and if the tech is lazy, then they might chose to remove CP on just the module in question. Using a golf MK7 for example you can do the following: Retrofitted Media System will trigger CP in the 5F - Infotainment Elect and the Gateway would mirror this error. CP removal would behave as follows: 1) CP removal process triggered via Gateway would see the whole vehicle being scanned and every security enabled module processed, gateway, dash, HVAC etc etc 2) CP removal process triggered via the 5F would only process / removal CP from the 5F. The error would then be cleared from the gateway. Bottom line is if you have Component Protection active on a module then things are not gonna work correctly until its been removed, and the "things" which don't work will be different per module and gateway so for example on an Audi A3 8V BCM the inter lights will not work and instrument lighting will be very dim.
