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MMI Navigation vs MMI Navigation plus

fwabbly Feb 17, 2014

  1. fwabbly

    fwabbly New Member

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    What's the difference? Is it just that the plus package has the touch feature or does it also upgrade the screen?
     
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  3. elan2s

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    By going with Nav Plus you get a larger MMI screen and the touch pad on the central console. The navigations system also is stored on a hard disk drive rather than using an SD card and this allows 3D imaging and also images of major landmarks displayed on the MMI screen when showing the map. There is space (c10gb) on the hard disk to store music or videos and the in dash CD drive is upgraded to DVD and you can play films etc when the car is stationary. If you take the Tech Pack option rather than simply the navigation upgrade you get Audi Connect that amongst other things gives you access to Google maps and better real time traffic info. The standard navigation (and Nav Plus without Audi Connect) uses TMC data which is much less comprehensive.

    Hope that helps
     
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  4. BahnStormer77

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    mine's not got the full techpack and I still get rsap + google traffic + google earth + streetview for POI's and destinations.

    the 10Gb storage on the HDD is nearly useless, but it does free up a SD slot and the touch entry is amazing after years and years of that spinny dial / voice input!
     
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  5. elan2s

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    You must have specified the Mobile Phone High - With Online services option in order to get the connectivity
     
  6. BahnStormer77

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    erm.... I guess I do - I thought the mobile phone high (and the Audi Connect) was part of the MMI Advanced (Touch) hardware, but it looks like that is another extra....

    I didn't spec the car - I bought it last year with a couple of hundred miles on the clock as an unused Audi demo car - it was the only way I could get the 3.0TFSI engine without getting an S5 Sportback (too small) or an A7 (annoyingly slightly smaller bootspace than the A6 Avant and with KILLER insurance - £1000/year more!).... what can I say, double-buggies are big!
     
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  7. elan2s

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    3.0TFSi no longer offered on the A6 (in the UK) so yours will be something of a rarity
     
  8. BahnStormer77

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    Ta, I know.... but petrol residuals on larger cars are pretty poor most of the time. A pain to get it slightly off my preferred spec, but it only had 250 miles driven by other people and with around 30% off the book price was a fair compromise, just a pain that I have to pay nearly £1000 to add DAB, which is standard on most cars, but was an optional extra on the C7 S-Line at launch, despite being standard on the C6 S-Line (and most SEAT's, Fords, etc, etc)....
     
  9. elan2s

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    Don't think was ever standard on the C6, unless it was part of some run out special edition. The cost of the DAB module from Kufatec (FISTUNE® DAB / DAB + Integration Audi MMI 3G / MMI 3G +-39703) for your C7 (this is the one for the 3G+ system you have) is about £300 plus fitting (they claim it is a 30 minute job!) so well under £1000. My C7 has the SD Card Navigation and for that I apparently need I need to replace the whole Navigation unit to add DAB and that is silly money, although I have just noticed that Kufatec are now offering a module for those with the RMC navigation system at £300 so maybe not all is lost. The only issue with these aftermarket options is that they do not support auto switching between DAB and FM depending on signal strength. Note you will also need the correct antenna module to connect to the antenna in the glass (rear or side depending on whether yours is saloon or Avant)
     
  10. BahnStormer77

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    It was 100% standard on the A6 S-Lines (not standard on the SE's), I'm not sure how long that was the case, but I was watching the A6 and A7 spec's from 2010 onwards VERY closely, so those wouldn't have been run-out specials!

    If it is £300 + £75-£100 for aerials, plus another £50 for the adapters, plus several hours of skinned knuckles as potentiallly messed up interior, then I'd rather just pay the extra to get it done by Audi.

    I'm waiting for them to confirm again (I've lost the e-mail as it was sent to my old work address), but I think it was actually about £800 for the DAB and £1000 or so for DAB+DVBT.
     
  11. BahnStormer77

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    I'm pretty sure I've seen DAB on non-touch versions of the MMI unit from Audi, have you asked Audi how much it would be to upgrade?
     
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  13. elan2s

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    SD card cars can have DAB as a factory fit, however on these cars the DAB module is embedded in the navigation unit rather than being an separate unit as is the case with the implementation in cars with the HDD navigation, hence the need to replace the navigation unit. The Fistune unit from kufatec looks to be a viable alternative even if it is not perfect
     
  14. Cruiser89

    Cruiser89 Advanced In Car Tech

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    So we picked up our new A6 on Tuesday which is MY14 (Identifiable due to the auto boot opener)

    Now we spec'd Tech Pack (Not Tech Park Advanced) and we got:

    + Larger Screen
    + Touch Pad
    + DAB
    + Google
    + WLAN
    + AMI
    + Bluetooth
    + Sim Card Slot

    Now Audi have released the "Official DAB Retrofit" which is literally a new Tuner module with a few cables, no instructions at all (Not like Cruise Control or towbars). We tried fitting it to an A4 but it didn't want to play ball. It also needs component protection turning off so even if it gets retrofitted, you have to visit a main dealer. I have been told and confirmed that it will work on a variety of cars but for the A6 it works on:

    A6 / S6 / RS6 (C7) Avant : 2012 - 2015
    A6 / S6 (C7) Limo: 2011 - 2015
    A6 (C7) Allroad: 2013 - 2015
    A6 (C7) Limo Hyb: 2012 - 2015

    Hope that helps!

    Tim
     
  15. BahnStormer77

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    Tim - what's the cost on that DAB retrofit pack?!?
     
  16. Vladimir Kust

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    Hi
    It is posible to replace RMC MMI to MMI 3G plus?
    I see that the jacks is not the same:(

    Thank you in forward!
     
  17. B5NUT

    B5NUT Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group VCDS Map User Audi A6 Audi A3 Audi Avant Owner Group quattro S-line owners group S tronic

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    Yes, but you need a new MMI 3GP unit, larger screen, Radio, wiring harness and AMP depending on what sound system is installed. If you can do the job yourself, then the parts can be cheep enough less the £1,000 but if you need some to do the work + make the harnesses then you will be looking at over £2,000.
     
  18. Vladimir Kust

    Vladimir Kust New Member

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    Thaks mate!
    I have the radio already, so i will looking forwad for the rest :)
     
  19. PeteBSK

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    Good discussion on something that I really agonised over when speccing my new A6 in 2015. I went for the Tech Pack in the end that brought MMI Plus. I loved the Google Maps, but the novelty is wearing off. I am finding that the restrictions that I am finding with rSAP are souring the overall experience - and Apple doesn't support rSAP, make sure you're acutely aware of that. Ultimately it would seem to be easier to just get a contract SIM and put that in the car for the data services and have your mobile phone connect over bluetooth for calls. When the phone (mine is a Samsung Galaxy Note) is connected via rSAP, you don't get any emails coming through on the phone- not that you could read them whilst driving (!), but also you can't use other data services on the phone like Spotify as there's effectively no data connection on the phone as the car has nabbed it. The only way around is to use offline music (e.g. I use Audible) _or_ disconnect the phone from full rSAP and reconnect only has hands-free - then you lose Google Maps/Traffic/Petrol prices etc... etc. it's good, but Audi has some work to do to bring this up to what current tech is actually capable of. If I was buying now, I might spec it only to improve the re-sale desirability of the car rather than as an out and out must-have.
     
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    I have the tech pack on my 2015 A6 and do get emails on my galaxy S5. You are correct in saying the car 'nabs' the data connection, but you then need to connect your phone to the car by wifi to get it back again. That way you get full RSAP data connection along with phone data, for the likes of the MMI connect phone app, which allows online music streaming via Internet radio or Napster/Aupeo.
    Cheers,
    Dave
     
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  21. PeteBSK

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    Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh!!!! I hadn't thought of that!!! THANK YOU @DaveW ! Will try that today!
     
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    No problem.

    Have you noticed recently that most of the filling stations have disappeared from Audi connect fuel prices? It was listing 3 in my area, the nearest one as 12 miles away when there are plenty nearby.
     
  23. k3vkr

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    Sorry to resurrect an old thread, however, my 67 plate black edition ultra has MMI nav and BOSE.
    Id really like to upgrade to MMI plus, is this possible or cost prohibitive still?
    I am keeping for 3/4 years so tbh unless it was cray money i think it'd be worth the hassle
     
  24. BahnStormer77

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    It was about a £3000 optional extra, so it is still fairly unsurprisingly expensive.... about £2500 fitted from HazzyDayz, note that is just the 3G online version, but it is £3300 if you want the full upgrade, including the touch panel.

    If it's any consolation, the Bose base system is cheaper to upgrade: the standard sound system is £2800-£3600.

    I always tell people that if they want MMI Touch, then they should spec it from the start: even more so if you're buying 2nd hand.

    Also remember that if you want to use the maps / online features properly you'll either need an Android phone with RSAP or an extra SIM card in the dash... and you'll also have to pay Audi about £300 every two years to get the Google traffic data.... honestly: I have the MMI Touch and even when I had the traffic data, I was still using Bluetooth and then running everything (BBC radio app / Spotify + Waze) on my phone (clipped onto an airvent adapter next to the door) - Waze is significantly better than Audi's version of GoogleMaps and the traffic updates are a LOT better and you won't have to rely on Audi's fairly ropey apps for running the "send to car" features on maps or heaven forbid: the Audi streaming music!!
     
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    B5NUT Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group VCDS Map User Audi A6 Audi A3 Audi Avant Owner Group quattro S-line owners group S tronic

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    On a retrofitted system you won't get any online traffic data, Audi won't enable it for retrofitted cars. You will get some online features, like the google maps overlay, but anything that requires a pin to pair the car with Audi connect servers or requires a license then you are out of luck.
     
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  26. BahnStormer77

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    @B5NUT - good point - I'd forgotten that Audi will almost certainly refuse to that the £300 off you every few years for their inferior implementation of Google traffic update... and that's not me being sarcastic: despite how much of a rip-off it is for that service, they probably would refuse to send you the license unless your car had a factory/dealer fitted MMI.

    Honestly - I think you're wasting time and money with MMI Touch (MMI Navigation Plus)... if you can get Android Auto or something that will let you have full Waze built into the car, then it is worth it.... then you'll get really good, free traffic updates forever, otherwise just use the Bluetooth and link up your phone.
     
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    B5NUT Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group VCDS Map User Audi A6 Audi A3 Audi Avant Owner Group quattro S-line owners group S tronic

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    Unless the car had tech pack fitted at factory you cannot get google traffic, even if the dealers try to enable it the VW servers will reject the request.

    Also I've never heard of anyone being charged for this service, everyone I know has just emailed Audi UK customer services and they have updated the license for free for an extra year.
     
  28. BahnStormer77

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    I'm sure mine says I need to buy another licence, I chased Audi for weeks three years ago , but it's such a third rate system that I just couldn't be bothered to this year.
     
  29. k3vkr

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    Hi thanks to both for all the info.
    What is Waze? I’ve never heard of this
     
  30. BahnStormer77

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    Honestly, just get it. You can thank me later!

    Waze is a mobile phone sat nav app, but REALLY good either at the most simple "guest" level or as a registered fully integrated user too. Registration is free and it just allows you to save your settings more easily and some of the features below are only available to registered users.

    The Waze company was bought out by Alphabet a few years ago, so now has the full backing of Google (and all the Google Maps data).

    Until earlier this year ( I think), it was Android only, but now it is available to our fruity friends too.

    It's essentially an advanced and intelligent satnav that runs on your phone (or Android Auto) and is completely free*: either as a guest or as a registered user.

    *the funding is done via intermittent ads: when you stop at traffic lights it will split your nav screen in half and show half the screen with an advert such as "fancy a KFC - click here and it is only 5mins off your route", etc. They're silent, non-intrucsive and they disappear as soon as you're moving.

    Useful features include:

    It prompts for reroutes far sooner and more intelligently than Google Maps (or anything else).

    Includes crowd-sourced info on cameras, potholes, stationary cars parked on blind corners, etc....

    Active speedo that will alert on changes in speed limit and upcoming cameras: I have mine set to warn if I'm 10% over the speed limit. Default for camera warnings seems to be if you are within 10% of the speed limit (e.g. 63 on a motorway - it will tell you if there is a camera ahead).

    When it offers you routes, it will provide a "timeline": showing colour coded traffic flow, accidents, warnings, roadworks, etc. So you can choose a route that is technically 3 or 4 mins longer, but "all green", versus one that that has lots of amber and red...

    Sharing:
    1) It will allow you to share your ETA (send to WhatsApp, SMS, e-mail, Pushbullet, etc): this will give the recipient a live link they can click on and see where you are and your latest ETA.
    2) If you are delayed, it will prompt you if you wish to re-send the ETA to the previous recipient.
    3) it will tell you when "friends are viewing your drive"

    If you do get stuck in traffic it will say "the traffic you are in will last X minutes"... and you can see the map ahead with colour coded speeds (and the numbers for exact average speed in mph for people in that section of the traffic).

    Journey forecasts based on previous Google Maps users' movements on those routes.

    Learning:
    if you regularly get in the car to go to a certain location around the same time, it will start to prompt you for where you might be navigating to

    Calendar integration:
    if you're due in a certain place:
    1) when you get in the car, it will prompt you to navigate there.
    2) you can "plan the drive" and it can tell you when you need to be leaving based on a combination of forecast and current traffic levels.

    Spotify integration:
    Music controls on the nav screen.
    or Nav highlights on the main Spotify screen
    Volume balance can be set in Waze
    Music fades out and allows alerts to be heard clearly

    I run my music and alerts through the Bluetooth audio device (car headunit).
     
  31. k3vkr

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    Almost seems to good to be true!
    I came form a MY16 Skoda Octavia VRS and the touchscreen set up in that was miles ahead of the Audi. Its the only really disappointing thing about the car tbh

    I suppose ill have to get Apply play enabled to get this on the go?
     
  32. B5NUT

    B5NUT Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group VCDS Map User Audi A6 Audi A3 Audi Avant Owner Group quattro S-line owners group S tronic

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    You will need to look at third party hardware if you want Android Auto or carplay on your MMI screen. Even if you fitted the latest MMI system from the facelift A6 the Audi servers would not allow activation of these features. Or get a suction cup and stick your phone on the window.
     
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  34. BahnStormer77

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    I don't like those "on-window" screen setups - too far away and REALLY messy - this is a LOT closer and more tidy:

    1. £8 - an airvent clip like this: LINK
    2. £8-£12: 30W-42W USB-C charger: LINK
    3. £13: set of (3) USB-C 90deg cables. LINK I think I'm using the 2m one to route down the side of my chair and over the top of the steering wheel.

    I can get some photo's, but it is very decently tidy and really easy to reach - note this goes on the clip next to the driver's door - NOT the central one!
     
  35. B5NUT

    B5NUT Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group VCDS Map User Audi A6 Audi A3 Audi Avant Owner Group quattro S-line owners group S tronic

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    Have to say I'm not keen on anything that clips a phone to the dash or windscreen, I just pointing out a cheaper alternative to retrofitting. If I want to connect my phone I use android auto via the MMI system but must have used that only a few times. for me the online traffic works well, and the only times I've had issues is when I chose to ignore it..
     
  36. k3vkr

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    Thanks guys.
    I am not a fan of using a phone stuck to anywhere in a car if I am honest, so ill park the idea of Nav upgrade of Car play.

    One other thing that still grates is the lack of the colour DIS on the dash between the clocks. I have the bog standard display.
    I never even noticed his until i had bought the car in my excitement but id like to somehow retro fit the colour version if this is possible as this will 'satisfy' me for now i think unless its a huge job like MMI+ retro fit?
     
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    Replying to myself here, but, i found an old thread which shows its quite an est retro fit to get the extended colour DIS fitted.
    Think i will go down that route for now.

    Thanks for all the help and invaluable advice guys :thumbs up:
     

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