HPA TouchMotion reviews (especially trackday usage, optionally with upgraded diffs)?

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I assume there are some guys here who are or were using the HPA TouchMotion, but I haven't found any valuable user review. Could anyone write your feelings about this device? It is quite pricey, is it worth it? I am especially interesetd if it helps on track? Does the car with it feel more confident? Does it transform the haldex into something that can be used for spiritied driving/racing?
Has anyone tried to put it together with LSD (front or rear or both)? I have read couple of times, that HPA + LSDs front and rear could make s3/a3 quattro the sti/evo concurrent. Is it truth or just a myth? Has anyone really tried it? Or at least has anyone put LSD diff int the front or the rear? I am not interested in theories, just how does it work in practice.
 
I have all the above plus more but just not fitted them to the car yet.

Don't think it will make it a evo/sti concurrent as the S3 doesn't have a centre diff and all the fancy gadgets the jap stuff has.
 
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I have all the above plus more but just not fitted them to the car yet.

Don't think it will make it a evo/sti concurrent as the S3 doesn't have a centre diff and all the fancy gadgets the jap stuff has.

Nicely put.

The LSD I guarantee will transform traction under all conditions,in a modified car,but I've found that the ESP on my car(an 8P,so I don't know for sure if this applies to the 8L) fights with the diff on poor(wet/icy) surfaces and can really make understeer much worse.
Switch it out,and the diff can do it's job without interference.
 
Good call...maybe one for me to consider when the car goes back to Storm.
 
I have all the above plus more but just not fitted them to the car yet.

Don't think it will make it a evo/sti concurrent as the S3 doesn't have a centre diff and all the fancy gadgets the jap stuff has.

So why did you buy it, and not just bought a STI?
I am aware that technically the evo or sti or even audi torsen AWD systems are more refined. But consider the fact that all current top rally cars (WRC, RRC) don't have center diff either. And this doesn't prevent them from being faster then all rally EVOs and STIs.

Have you used your car for track events already? Have you tried the TouchMotion already (with stock diffs)?

Nicely put.

The LSD I guarantee will transform traction under all conditions,in a modified car,but I've found that the ESP on my car(an 8P,so I don't know for sure if this applies to the 8L) fights with the diff on poor(wet/icy) surfaces and can really make understeer much worse.
Switch it out,and the diff can do it's job without interference.

I know that LSD gives more traction. But I am more interested in how it works in practice in a car with haldex onboard. Is it worth to put lsd to the rear diff only? Or to the front diff only? How does it influence the driving characteristic?
 
I have all the above plus more but just not fitted them to the car yet.

Don't think it will make it a evo/sti concurrent as the S3 doesn't have a centre diff and all the fancy gadgets the jap stuff has.

Read up on the Mitsubushi ACD (Active Central Diff) - directly comparable to a haldex unit (evo 9 & later)

Has anyone really tried it? Or at least has anyone put LSD diff int the front or the rear? I am not interested in theories, just how does it work in practice.

In the PQ34 chassis:yes; specifically in an 8L A3Q/S3 - apparently not

just how does it work in practice.

Simply put, like an evo

But consider the fact that all current top rally cars (WRC, RRC) don't have center diff either. And this doesn't prevent them from being faster then all rally EVOs and STIs.

The Previous gen rally cars (uk national rally series) use plate axle -active centre diff-plate axle on the whole

The lack of center diff in R5 cars in down to rule - an attempt to create more oversteer which looks good on camera
 
Read up on the Mitsubushi ACD (Active Central Diff) - directly comparable to a haldex unit (evo 9 & later)
Sorry mate, but it's not true. The only similarity is that they are both controlled by a computer. The first difference is: EVO (and STI and a4 quattro) has a central diff, S3 doesn't. In EVO torque goes from gearbox to the central diff, and the diff splits it between front and rear. In S3 The tourqe goes directly to the front wheels and to the haldex coupling, which can put it through toi the rear wheels or not.

In the PQ34 chassis:yes; specifically in an 8L A3Q/S3 - apparently not
Anything in this chassis is OK. Can you give me these examples?

Simply put, like an evo
As I mentioned in my first post, I am not interested in theories. Have you driven such a car or you just certain because this is your opinion?

The Previous gen rally cars (uk national rally series) use plate axle -active centre diff-plate axle on the whole

The lack of center diff in R5 cars in down to rule - an attempt to create more oversteer which looks good on camera

I don't think it's the main reason. The active diff make much of work of a driver. They wanted to force drivers to use their brains to drive rally cars, not the computers to do the whole torque vectoring etc.
 
In EVO torque goes from gearbox to the central diff, and the diff splits it between front and rear. In S3 The tourqe goes directly to the front wheels and to the haldex coupling, which can put it through toi the rear wheels or not.

A minor packaging difference of components which is not evident on driving

The ACD unit sit after the front axle gearing, and can cut all power to the rear exactly as the haldex can

Anything in this chassis is OK. Can you give me these examples?
As I mentioned in my first post, I am not interested in theories. Have you driven such a car or you just certain because this is your opinion?

A Finnish chap called Jani Vainikka has rallied an Octavia 4x4 competively vs Evo a few years back

This was built from a stock production car, its not one of the the Skoda Motorsport/Prodrive Octavia EVO series of cars - Skoda motorsport make a lightweight WRC Homologation chassis which can then be made into either a WRC Prodrive 4x4 car or a 2WD Kit Car

The Octavia WRC cars are still PQ34 chassis, and still have a 20v engine so they count inmy book

and of course my own car - octavia 4x4 - Peloquin torsens Front and rear - currently on blue haldex

Developed against a Mitsubishi Evo 9 MR 360

Both cars circa 250bhp/tonne

TBH The difference between the two cars in now down the suspension, not the drivetrain

My setup work on my is carried out by a wily old rallycrosser with many yrs of experience, my cars better setup, feels much more planted and soaks up the terrain better


There's TT rally series in Canada too, typical car spec
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I don't think it's the main reason. The active diff make much of work of a driver. They wanted to force drivers to use their brains to drive rally cars, not the computers to do the whole torque vectoring etc.

That's the 'official' press version ;)

They could have gone back to purely mechanical setups like the rallycrossers and the pre-group N cars

But instead they went for diff'less with clutched rear axled - a setup purely designed to be harder to drive - eg more oversteerand more dramatic action

WRC in in viewing battle with the various Rallycross series

Lots of good young drives are heading into Rallycross vs stage rallying



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In the later PQ35 chassis (8P) - one of those won the 2008 MSA Asphalt stage rally series

-well it was a 8P chassis anyway, may not been much of the rest of the car left ..
 
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I know that LSD gives more traction. But I am more interested in how it works in practice in a car with haldex onboard. Is it worth to put lsd to the rear diff only? Or to the front diff only? How does it influence the driving characteristic?


OK...mine has the Haldex Race controller,and a Quaife LSD,and kW Clubsport suspension.

Personally,I didn't find the Haldex controller made a huge difference to handling or traction,although it definitely does find slightly better traction,and I would notice it if it was turned off.
The Quaife diff on the other hand does exactly what I expected it to.....One of my previous cars was an ex GpN Escort Cosworth with Quaife diffs,and I expected the slightly snappy nature,but also the vastly improved traction under slippery conditions.

I haven't got a rear LSD,although I am told the Golf Mk5 Wavetrac diffs will fit,so that may be a thing for the future,but as the torque split is only ever going to be 50/50 in anything other than situations where there is no front grip,I am less sure that it will make a big difference to what is predominantly a FWD car,with part time AWD.

What i did find was that leaving the ESP on,is a bad thing.