Have you heard the S4/S5 rumour...

cuke2u

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That's me corrected :icon thumright:
However it still includes delivery and number plates by the look of the response...
 

Zippytoo

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The reviewer makes an interesting point point at 08:38: that the S4 TDI is faster in the real world than a C43. I'm not so sure about that (though TBH I think there's a reasonable chance of that for rolling starts within UK speed limits). The attached screenshot shows a comparison of acceleration (and other) data for the C43 and the new SQ5 TDI (the S4 TDI has not yet been tested). Clearly, the C43 is quicker in just about every regard. However, whilst the S4 TDI has the same engine, it is much more aerodynamic and, more to the point, much lighter than the SQ5. In fact 195kg lighter. The S4 TDI is hardly lightweight BUT 195kg is a LOT less than the SQ5, so it'll make for interesting reading when acceleration tests become available. My money is still on the C43 but I think it'll be reasonably close, particularly the lower speed in gear tests.
 

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syed123

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The reviewer makes an interesting point point at 08:38: that the S4 TDI is faster in the real world than a C43. I'm not so sure about that (though TBH I think there's a reasonable chance of that for rolling starts within UK speed limits). The attached screenshot shows a comparison of acceleration (and other) data for the C43 and the new SQ5 TDI (the S4 TDI has not yet been tested). Clearly, the C43 is quicker in just about every regard. However, whilst the S4 TDI has the same engine, it is much more aerodynamic and, more to the point, much lighter than the SQ5. In fact 195kg lighter. The S4 TDI is hardly lightweight BUT 195kg is a LOT less than the SQ5, so it'll make for interesting reading when acceleration tests become available. My money is still on the C43 but I think it'll be reasonably close, particularly the lower speed in gear tests.

I think the c43 has like 381bhp right? So my money would be on that on higher speeds. I think he meant it's quicker in the real world cause it's got way more torque.

Not the best comparison but I briefly had a 335i a few years back and it was no where near as effortless as my 272.

I guess diesels 6s deliver so much torque low down that in the real world they take no effort to reach silly speeds so in theory could feel faster.

But if u were to rag a diesel you wouldn't feel the punch anywhere near as much as a petrol due to the power delivery plus smaller rev band.

The 335i was a monster at higher rpms and probably would win at speeds more than 130mph.. But in the real world my 272 feels way more effortless to drive which I prefer.

Each to their own on petrol vs diesel but I've always liked the way a diesel 6 drives compared to the petrol equivalent. More torque, still very smooth and way more economical.
 

syed123

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The reviewer makes an interesting point point at 08:38: that the S4 TDI is faster in the real world than a C43. I'm not so sure about that (though TBH I think there's a reasonable chance of that for rolling starts within UK speed limits). The attached screenshot shows a comparison of acceleration (and other) data for the C43 and the new SQ5 TDI (the S4 TDI has not yet been tested). Clearly, the C43 is quicker in just about every regard. However, whilst the S4 TDI has the same engine, it is much more aerodynamic and, more to the point, much lighter than the SQ5. In fact 195kg lighter. The S4 TDI is hardly lightweight BUT 195kg is a LOT less than the SQ5, so it'll make for interesting reading when acceleration tests become available. My money is still on the C43 but I think it'll be reasonably close, particularly the lower speed in gear tests.

Another comparison is with an e92 m3. I used launch control and had the better of him all the way up to about 110mph, only then he started reeling me in.

I get that it's a na engine but still.. I think Carwow should do a drag between the new s4s and the petrol equivalents from merc n BMW, the petrols will most likely win but will be interesting to see how the tdi copes
 

syed123

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The reviewer makes an interesting point point at 08:38: that the S4 TDI is faster in the real world than a C43. I'm not so sure about that (though TBH I think there's a reasonable chance of that for rolling starts within UK speed limits). The attached screenshot shows a comparison of acceleration (and other) data for the C43 and the new SQ5 TDI (the S4 TDI has not yet been tested). Clearly, the C43 is quicker in just about every regard. However, whilst the S4 TDI has the same engine, it is much more aerodynamic and, more to the point, much lighter than the SQ5. In fact 195kg lighter. The S4 TDI is hardly lightweight BUT 195kg is a LOT less than the SQ5, so it'll make for interesting reading when acceleration tests become available. My money is still on the C43 but I think it'll be reasonably close, particularly the lower speed in gear tests.

Just looking at the graphs and can see the heavy sq5 took less time in a lot of the in gear tests, so the s4 should be even quicker..

Quite surprised actually
 

SMI77

Australia
2019 Merc-AMG C43 T wagon - 1685kgs - 287 kw / 385 hp / 520nm
2019 Audi S4TDi Avant............... - 1825kgs - 255 kw / 347hp / 700nm
* Audi kgs based on 1675kgs (2016/17) plus 150kgs (TDi +48V Batteries)
 

DaveW

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2019 Merc-AMG C43 T wagon - 1685kgs - 287 kw / 385 hp / 520nm
2019 Audi S4TDi Avant............... - 1825kgs - 255 kw / 347hp / 700nm
* Audi kgs based on 1675kgs (2016/17) plus 150kgs (TDi +48V Batteries)
Massive torque in the S4 TDi 700nm :astonished:
 

SMI77

Australia

cuke2u

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Strangely they've kept the creases on the A5 they panned on the A4...
 

WarwickBoy

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Hi there, new joiner here.

I've been taking an interest in the new S4 Avant as it seems to tick quite a few boxes for me. I went through drive the deal and specced up one with Navarra blue paintwork, C+S pack, storage pack and the larger Adblue tank. I think the quote came in around £53,200 but with around £10,500 discount it came in at £42,700.

The APR for this model is 5.9% (compared to 4.9 for the A4) and with a £10,800 deposit on a 4 year 10,000 miles per year deal, with a GFV of £21,375 the monthlies came in at £350. I've been using this site to play around with the figures once I found out the discounted price, APR used and GFV after 4 years ( couldn't post the link but just search for car finance PCP calculator and plug in the numbers.)

I have few question about Drive the Deal and finance, and hope you girls and guys may be able to help :)

1. With Drive the Deal and Audi Finance, is their quote (in this example case from Chris £42,700) on the basis that you take Audi Finance, or does the quote of £42,700 also apply if you were to buy the car for cash?

2. Assuming that the quoted price would be higher for cash, with Audi finance could you just not take out finance for 2/3/4 years and then immediately pay off the finance, and avoid paying interest over a long period.

3. With Drive the Deal if one needs to get ones own finance (lower than that quoted by Audi Finance) can you do this (This question is the same question again said in a different way).

4. Is the Guaranteed Future Value (GFV) quoted the same as "the optional final payment" you would need to make to keep the car (after 4 years with this example).

Thank you in advance.

Robin
 

cuke2u

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1) Yes as the dealership discount when you take the Audi finance is factored in.

2) If you like you can cancel the finance within the cooling down period and pay it off, keeping the discount.

3) You can but the price you pay will go up, see answer 1.

4) More or less, PCP finance isn't really aimed at those wishing to get any any equity.

When you work out a quote on the dtd website, you can do this without any obligation, you'll find some answers....
 

RAF_S7

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cuke2u

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Please see a few posts above yours and in the A5 forum...
 

RAF_S7

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Please see a few posts above yours and in the A5 forum...
Sorry, didn’t see the top post....and can’t delete now :whistle2:
 

SMI77

Australia

Daggerit

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So it looks like the space where the exhaust box could be is indeed taken up by something else, but its the fuel tank and not the Adblue tank?
Is the AdBlue tank the part just above the fuel tank, and if so maybe a 24l version would indeed fill up that space such that the fuel tank had to be lower as it is.

I couldn't find the same diagram for the 3.0 TFSI S4 but I get the impression that Audi could have designed it so that there were exhaust boxes on both sides. I guess they realised that since a diesel engine has a lower flow rate and genuinely doesn't need it, and anyone who actually buys a diesel S4 won't care if the pipes are real or not, they just went ahead with the idea.

Just to dig this up again, I found this today and it shows that the space where the right hand pipes should be, is in fact the AdBlue tank...

https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201905/audi-s4-avant-14_1600x0w.jpg
 

cuke2u

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From that drawing it looks like it is, even though adblue is non flammable and not corrosive it seems like a dumb place to have it inside a crumble zone. Explains the dummy exhaust but you'd think Audi designers could have done something better. That's possibly 24kg's of weight behind the axle...
 

Daggerit

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From that drawing it looks like it is, even though adblue is non flammable and not corrosive it seems like a dumb place to have it inside a crumble zone. Explains the dummy exhaust but you'd think Audi designers could have done something better. That's possibly 24kg's of weight behind the axle...

Agreed.


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NevMan

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SMI77

Australia
From that drawing it looks like it is, even though adblue is non flammable and not corrosive it seems like a dumb place to have it inside a crumble zone. Explains the dummy exhaust but you'd think Audi designers could have done something better. That's possibly 24kg's of weight behind the axle...

Also agreed, but nothing really explains 'fake' exhaust. Take it that weight does not include the 48V & 12V batteries.
The drawing, as does others, includes the Ad-Blue tank, but not the fuel tank.

Curious as to why the exhaust on the S4, and presumably the S5, has real tips (which to me look complicated, messy & costly to replace), whilst the SQ5, S6 & S7 has full fake, both sides?
 

Dippy

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I agree, it does seem strange. The S6 design is quite different, and even the battery is in a different place for some reason.
I wonder if is due to a technical platform reason, or because the marketing people believe that S4/S5 buyers want real (or not so real) protruding pipes like the previous versions have. I'm more inclined to believe the latter.

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Daggerit

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I'm more interested in what the exhaust pipe is that seems to be joining the system behind all the cats and stuff just under the steering wheel?
 
With the S6 and S7 though all that needed to happen was to give the pipe a few extra inches (wahay!) and it would be at the bumper anyway just like a regular exhaust. Just cost cutting in my view.
 

A4B9

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That’s crazy. If it was an all electric coupe I’d have seriously considered it as my next car, especially as the MEB platform is RWD.
 

Dippy

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Am I one of the few who is genuinely interested in that article, especially the part "At the other end of the range will be a model comparable with today’s TT RS; driven by an electric motor on each axle for four-wheel drive, it will have a total power figure in excess of 400bhp."?

Normally I wouldn't have been interested in a crossover, but if it is, as suggested, much lower than a Q3, then I might be.
 

cuke2u

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But a tt it isn't whatever you might be interested in. History of the hairdressers favourite, only joking, slighted...
 

Dippy

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I'm immune to that. As Audi drivers we are hated by a section of the public irrespective of which model we drive!
 

NevMan

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Done
 
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