Got the car back!

So what do you think of jabba? You seem keen on jbs now?
 
they don,t tape the maf up and put a deisel chip in like jabba so i guess it would idle better.i was told my car would put out about 370-390bhp the truth is after going back and forward a couple of times it only put out 355bhp/365ftlbs so a little ****** off and it wasn,t a 1.9 the piston were 82.5 mm.
 
They tape the maf so it doesn't see high voltage bit of a bodge but it does work.They use a diesel map sensor because the standard maxes at 1.55bar ,i think this is fairly normal with all vag tuners.Was the 355bhp on Jabba's rollers? Mine made 365bhp on jabbas rollers 345lb/t @1.6peak 1.5 held. Yeah,i had time for Mike down there but the rest really let the company down.
 
i,ve never seen a dyno sheet for 355bhp from jabba i,ve got the first one before the exhaust that is 342 bhp.I think in my case the staff was very helpfull and informative even when things went wrong like when they had to collect my car from manchester. but i think jbs has far more different turbos to choose from better mapping better in house manifolds. and i could not see them trying to talk me out of having the power i wanted which at first was 400plus. as far as boost pressure when jbs put the nos on they told me they tweeked the map a little and mentioned something about 1.6bar before the nos but im really not 100% sure about this side of things. i know the best quarter mile time i had was 14.099-0-60mph=5.88@gti international last year. i,ve just come back from a six month ban last monday and i now have the new s3 which i will be taking on the strip but it,s totally standard, and the only thing i would consider for this car is a custom remap.
 
What do you guys mean about "taping the maf up"?

Jamos, surely with your power outputs, you should have been seeing a faster time than low 14's on the quarter....?
 
I did a 13.6 in mine the gearing sucks and the car is quite heavy.
 
so the "taping the maf thingy...!"? What's that about?
 
After reading everything you went through to get to this point, I can't help thinking it was just a waste of money. You say yourself it doesn't feel very fast--I can't imagine another 10bhp at this point is going to change that.

Also, I'm shocked that you'd pay so much money, but keep the gearbox stock. That's the shittest thing about the S3.

If you'd have sold your S3 and then put your money towards that, you could have got an M3 for just a few grand more. Something that's faster, drives better, and comes with a warranty.

Not trying ot rain on your parade, it just seems like a huge waste of good money.
 
I agree with the above in many ways...

A 350 BHP S3 doesn't feel like it goes like a 350 BHP car should...the M3 is a fine example...it goes better than it's power would suggest, as does a 911...the big turbo S3s are the opposite in my view...they don't live up to the hype.

Not that they aren't nice...and the power is great...it's just not enough - or the right sort of delivery - to make it all make sense for the money spent, in my book.

It may be fine if you 1/4 mile it and nothing more...but as a drivers car, a 350BHP+ S3 just doesn't make sense to me.

In all honesty, the big turbo cars aren't 'that' much faster point to point than a highly strung K04's car.
 
I agree with you in alot of what you are saying ,the weight,gearing and dynamics are all against the s3. At the end of the day it's not built to be a race car it's a comfortable sporty hatch.The 350bhp does make it a bit more fun though.
 
I'm think the reason it doesn't feel that fast is because they are soooo well built! I did say my friends scooby feels so much quicker running 330bhp, so i raced him the other day and theres nothing in it! they are exactly the same! So when I'm running 1.7bar i dont think there will be a problem having him! + how many m3 do you see around they are everywhere! i think a m3 would struggle to pass me on a straight!
 
Ess_Three said:
It may be fine if you 1/4 mile it and nothing more...but as a drivers car, a 350BHP+ S3 just doesn't make sense to me.

In all honesty, the big turbo cars aren't 'that' much faster point to point than a highly strung K04's car.
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That's pretty much what I'd say. More power is a lot more fun in a straight line, but after a year of this turbo I think the quickest point to point conversion for the car would have been a hybrid K04.
 
yep,there's a friend of mine whos sprints in a evo 5 rs with standard turbo/remapped and stays with the big boys with 500bhp+.
 
come down to inters mate,there will be a few down there.best s3 with k04 i've seen did a 14.1,best cupra r 13.9. about 100mph.
 
edward_harris said:
I'm think the reason it doesn't feel that fast is because they are soooo well built!
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Is that why my 911 feels fast then?
Because it's built ****?
Get a grip...an M3 or 911 feel faster...and they are just as well built.

Well bulit fast cars still feel fast.



i think a m3 would struggle to pass me on a straight!
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But a standard M3 would murder an S3 on handling unless the S3 was very well sorted....so best you stick to straight lines then!
 
Ess_Three said:
Is that why my 911 feels fast then?
Because it's built ****?
Get a grip...an M3 or 911 feel faster...and they are just as well built.

Well bulit fast cars still feel fast.





But a standard M3 would murder an S3 on handling unless the S3 was very well sorted....so best you stick to straight lines then!
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My s3 is very well sorted thankyou! I'm referring to a scooby or something like that! didn't mention a 911! You need to remember how much your 911 weights and how much £ it costs! its a completely different car than the s3! Also depends who's driving dont forget!
 
are you coming to inters edward?
 
Mine is pushing about 300hp I think, and although it can feel a bit laggy at times, it's not exactly slow. At my local airfield I got some 0-100 on the speedos of 12.3s and 12.1s, slowest with a horrid bog down was still 12.7s.
GPS suggests 100 indicated is about 97mph on the 18s.

Goes very well up to 120-130, does slow down a bit after that, but again on same runway it will show GPS 150mph fairly easily.

But I do think it needs more torque and less lag.
 
sim,a remapped k04 cannot do 0-100 in 12s.14s is about the best it can do.
 
Simch,
What's done to yours to make it push 300 bhp ????
 
edward_harris said:
My s3 is very well sorted thankyou!
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When it comes to handling...your S3 is merely first stage, in my view.
You need to go much further to have an S3 that outhandles Evos and STIs...

Mine did...road and track.


You need to remember how much your 911 weights and how much £ it costs!
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It weighs the same as my S3 did...within a few Kgs.

The cost is a factor...but a decent S3 with £10k spent on it buys you a very nice 911.
The comparison is valid. It also buys you a number of very nice M3s.


its a completely different car than the s3!
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Indeed it is...it's one that will always handle better, accellerate as fast, go faster, brake better and be more thrilling to drive...no matter what you do to an S3.
Hell...I tried with mine.


Also depends who's driving dont forget!
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I'm not sure it does...
An S3 will never thrill like a properly designed drivers car...no matter what spec it's in, or who's driving it.
Nor will it mnatch other cars in other areas, like braking, or handling for example.

At the end of the day, it's an S3...with all the good points, but sadly some of the bad points that comes with that.
 
ChriS3 said:
That's pretty much what I'd say. More power is a lot more fun in a straight line, but after a year of this turbo I think the quickest point to point conversion for the car would have been a hybrid K04.
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I'd be tempted to agree...
The low down torque of a high boost K04, with better top end...which *should* be possible with a hybrid K04.

The top end of your S3 Chris, with the bottom end on mine, would make for a very interesting S3!
 
Ess_Three said:
When it comes to handling...your S3 is merely first stage, in my view.
You need to go much further to have an S3 that outhandles Evos and STIs...

Mine did...road and track.



So what else would you say i need to do to mine to get it like yours was running? what am i missing? do you still have your s3? what is it running?
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Ryanc said:
sim,a remapped k04 cannot do 0-100 in 12s.14s is about the best it can do.
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Good job it's not a remapped k04 then! :)

No, it definately does 0-100 speedo in just over 12, I video'd it and it was timed from the car too and that si with VAgcom showing only about 1.2bar max.

Still too laggy for my liking though, if I thrash it, its pretty darned quick, and its not exactly slow period, but has relatively very little below 3800 revs, then goes bonkers at 4k!

I am having some problems with timing ****** so am trying a few things to combat pinking etc, I think this will help "off boost" performance. Trying ngk 7 copper plugs at the mo, cooler thermostat next and some airbox mods and lose the centre miltek next, not least cos it hits the propshaft when it gets really really soaking on the roads! (near 2 inch clearance so long as there is no standing water about....weird how it contracts in the rain!)

Having another stab at it in a couple of weeks when work slows down a bit. Down B and Q for some drainpipe for a CAI for the stock air box!!
 
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edward_harris said:
So what else would you say i need to do to mine to get it like yours was running? what am i missing? do you still have your s3? what is it running?
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What suspension stuff do you currently run?

I found big gains from the set up...
you have to be prepared to mess about, trying different angles, settings and tyre pressures.

Basic bolt on stuff is good...but optimising it gave much better results.

I don't still have my S3...it's on it's 3rd owner now...D J Motorsport, on here.
It was well set up, well braked and running a high boost K04 (1.8+ bar boost) making 275-280 BHP and 330+ lb-ft torque.
 
simch said:
Good job it's not a remapped k04 then! :)

No, it definately does 0-100 speedo in just over 12, I video'd it and it was timed from the car too and that si with VAgcom showing only about 1.2bar max.
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Hmm...something doesn't add up.
Cainey's TT runs mid 12s with 415 BHP on NO2...and with a longer set of first few gears.
What's the spec on yours to be faster?
His is one of the fastest I've seen run...and it IS quick!


Down B and Q for some drainpipe for a CAI for the stock air box!!
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If you don't run the passenger side SMIC (if you use a FMIC) you can get a 4" duct from the high pressure point behind the front bumper skin, just behind the passenger foglight, to the airbox.
But not with a SMIC in place...as you have nowhere for the dict to run.
It's tight...but it'll go....take the battery + battery tray out of the way, fit it...then squeeze the lot back in. It even fits under the standard engine bay covers.
 
Edward i'll pop down and see you as mine is just remapped and we can compare the difference to see if it was worth it, as I here a lot of negative comments about spending money on the S3 and I personally would like to see the difference.
I see poor times stuck up for these cars and find it hard to believe that money well spent doesn't get big gains, my last car was a MK6 Escort RS2000 4x4 which in the Ford world is considered not worthy of the RS badge, now I got 300bhp and 320ilbs of torque at 12psi and ran high 4's to 60 and mid 13's over the qtr all day long. Surely and S3 even with dodgy gearing and 350 bhp will be close to this or am I wasting my time as I was looking at going the same route as Ed.
 
Ess_Three said:
Hmm...something doesn't add up.
Cainey's TT runs mid 12s with 415 BHP on NO2...and with a longer set of first few gears.
What's the spec on yours to be faster?
His is one of the fastest I've seen run...and it IS quick!


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Dont know what the 1/4 is, I suspect its mid 13's with a good launch, so a fair bit behind Caneys.

0-100 on speedo (c97 GPS) is low 12's not 1/4 mile. Thats with sidestepping at 4500 and no clutch slip, (thanks Sachs!) but lots of smell! even with ESP off they tyres only just "chirp" breifly. Its not that quick when you think about it, proabably mid to high 12's to a genuine 100mph.

0-100 speedo needs a change to 4th, so not sure the longer 1st and 2nd ratios hold mine back to 100..?

I have a Front mount so will try the 4 inch ducting. I have the neoprene wired duct on the Mk4 but that has gone a bit rusty inside wiht the water getting sucked in! Really after some Black flexi tube with plastic coated wire support in it..?

I think if I can get mine to run a consistent 1.3-1.4 bar, without timing being pulled back, I will be happy. Otherwise the head will be off for some porting, work the chambers a little, and maybe some inlet porting too.

But then there's valves to think about yada yada yada! !!
 
simch said:
0-100 on speedo (c97 GPS) is low 12's not 1/4 mile. Thats with sidestepping at 4500 and no clutch slip, (thanks Sachs!) but lots of smell! even with ESP off they tyres only just "chirp" breifly. Its not that quick when you think about it, proabably mid to high 12's to a genuine 100mph.
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Do you know what torque you are running? And where is peak torque?

I couldn't launch mine at 4500...it would just spin all 4 wheels, the first time...
Then it would struggle...and slip the clutch after that. Std clutch you see.


0-100 speedo needs a change to 4th, so not sure the longer 1st and 2nd ratios hold mine back to 100..?
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It wouldn't I'd imaging...only really affects the 0-60 time.


I have a Front mount so will try the 4 inch ducting. I have the neoprene wired duct on the Mk4 but that has gone a bit rusty inside wiht the water getting sucked in! Really after some Black flexi tube with plastic coated wire support in it..?
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I used some industrial ducting...but the wire still went rusty. It'll have to be flexible though...there's not much room in there!

If you sit it pointing downwards into the area just behind the foglight, it's the area I found to be of highest pressure (yes, I'm sad enough to have measured it with a manometer!) and keeping the duct pointing downwards means you get the pressure ram effect (what little bit we speak of) without getting the constant stream of rain laden water!

I also fitted a 4" subwoofer port into the end, to smooth the flow of air into the duct.
 
Looking at some "reverie" micropore ducting at the mo.

I reckon peak torque on mine is about 4300 revs, that's certainly when it all goes a bit bonkers.

Will be nice to get it sorted, especially if I can get the timing up a bit to cut the lag out a bit..?
 
edward_harris said:
I'm think the reason it doesn't feel that fast is because they are soooo well built! I did say my friends scooby feels so much quicker running 330bhp, so i raced him the other day and theres nothing in it! they are exactly the same! So when I'm running 1.7bar i dont think there will be a problem having him! + how many m3 do you see around they are everywhere! i think a m3 would struggle to pass me on a straight!
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Yeah, you could probably take an M3 in a straight line providing you are in the powerband. But from a standing start you wouldn't have a change. The M3 would murder an S3 in corners, too.
 
leave1 said:
Yeah, you could probably take an M3 in a straight line providing you are in the powerband. But from a standing start you wouldn't have a change. The M3 would murder an S3 in corners, too.
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From a standing start my s3 would kill an m3, 4wheel drive vs rr! After that it might be a different story!
 
M3 is like 4.9sec 0-60mph, its like an everyday car with supercar performance! I don't think anyone has had a S3 do 0-60 in sub 5!
 
Ess_Three said:
What suspension stuff do you currently run?

I found big gains from the set up...
you have to be prepared to mess about, trying different angles, settings and tyre pressures.

Basic bolt on stuff is good...but optimising it gave much better results.

I don't still have my S3...it's on it's 3rd owner now...D J Motorsport, on here.
It was well set up, well braked and running a high boost K04 (1.8+ bar boost) making 275-280 BHP and 330+ lb-ft torque.
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Got bilstens pss coilovers, R32 anti roll bars, uprated haldex controller, brembos, umm i think the only thing im missing is tie bars, or can you think of anything else?!
 
Jampublic said:
M3 is like 4.9sec 0-60mph, its like an everyday car with supercar performance! I don't think anyone has had a S3 do 0-60 in sub 5!
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Only because of the gearing, but up to say 50mph i think my s3 would be gone!
 
But because of that gearing it will be quicker!

M3

Engine: 3.2litre in-line 6
Power: 343bhp@7,900rpm
Torque: 355Nw@4,900rpm
0-60: 5.2sec's
Top Speed: 155mph

Cost: £50k

Honest Ed I think you will find them alot quicker! :(

I could be wrong Ed
 
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