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Enabling Audi Drive Select via Carista app

Super Nintendo Chalmers Jul 28, 2018

  1. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    As per the title, i see that Carista have a option (perhaps only through a beta currently) to enable ADS on cars that were no fitted with this factory option.

    My question is around what effect ADS may have on the characteristics on my B8.5 A4 manual quattro, non MMI, no active dampers

    Suspensions - i expect no change as i don't have active dampers, just the 30mm S line factory drop.
    Transmission - none again as i have a manual box
    Steering - this is where my main expectations are, i'm hoping to have firmer steering and more feedback and all speeds
    Throttle response - i have only just found out that this is also affected by ADS, so perhaps i'll have greater response here too. Paired with a Stage 1 APR remap, that could be very interesting.

    Anyone have experience of enabling ADS on a similar spec car?
     
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  3. weekenny

    weekenny Active Member

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    Pretty sure the ADS cars run a different rack so you won’t see a steering change.

    As for the throttle you may or may not notice a difference as I believe the non-ADS cars were set to the equivalent of auto on the ADS cars where the response changes depending on how you drive it.
     
  4. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    I know the steering changed from hydraulic to to electromagnetic on the facelift B8 to B8.5, but i've not seen anything related to ADS and a specific steering rack.

    I've emailed Carista, so i'll await their feedback.
     
  5. cbeadle2508

    cbeadle2508 Member

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    I drive a manual B8.5 2.0 TDI SLine and have enabled this with charista... I had to disable the suspension as it was throwing up errors, I've obviously put it into dynamic mode but haven't noticed any difference really to the throttle response or steering. Be interested to know what it would actually affect? it seems a bit more of a gimmick to me for the non ADS cars.
     
  6. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    My head tells me there will be little (if any) difference but my heart hopes for at minimum some better response from the steering, which is so light at low speeds (great for parking, though).

    Do you know what option code you have for your steering? I have QZ7 which is just listed as "power steering" others codes could be 1N*, with the star being a number.

    Did you use the stable or Beta version of the Carista app? They have just given me access to the Beta so i will give it a go and report back.

    I'm sceptical that engine response can be changed, but who knows. I'm probably going to give it a go this evening - will report back on it once i have some feedback.
     
  7. cbeadle2508

    cbeadle2508 Member

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    I have no idea what option code I have for the steering... how would I find out?

    I have the full version of Carista from before it was subscription based. Not a Beta version.

    Interested to see how you get on then.


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  8. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    There's a sticker in a couple of places on the vehicle (boot and under the bonnet) and it should also be in your service book, check the vid here:

    Once you have the codes, whack it in Google and there will be plenty of sites that list them.

    Here's one that's slightly clunky but works: http://igorweb.org/equidec.aspx
    Here's a PDF which looks pretty good: http://vag-codes.info/files/options/vag-option-codes.pdf . Use the find function when you input your code to locate the code on the PDF.
     
  9. weekenny

    weekenny Active Member

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    The ADS steering cars have an additional steering cooler which makes me suspect the rack is different.

    I have the ADS steering and it’s a night and day difference in weight between the modes. I think the small effects people experience simply coding it in is a placebo effect.
     
  10. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    Interesting thoughts @weekenny

    I have just come back from a road test and one thing I can say for sure is that following the instructions from Carista to enable ADS and then setting it to Dynamic, I have 100%, noticed the steering become heavier/an increase in residence when I turn. It's no MK2 Golf, in terms of feedback, but there's a tangible increase.

    FYI, this is at low speed, 1st/2nd gear. The steering natively tightens up at motorway speeds, I will test further with more time to see if that there is more resistance at those speeds, with Dynamic mode

    I could not say the difference is night and day, but I would strongly disagree that it's a placebo effect. My tests including switching ADS on and off a few times, changing from Comfort to Dynamic and reversing, turning the wheel with the flat of my hand (rather than a conventional two or one hand grip). I also 'wobbled' the steering wheel, ie quick left right turns of just a few degrees, while on a straight and there was move left/right lateral movement with Dynamic mode activated.

    As for increased throttle response, I am going to need more testing to fully appreciate it, it's inconclusive at this stage. Any perceived change here I would definitely put down to the placebo effect.

    So in conclusion, this mod, on a non ADS, non MMI car, has had an positive effect on the steering. Given the cost of Carista app and and minimal effort/work involved, I put this down as a win.:icon thumright:

    More testing required though.

    NB my steering option code is QZ7 "power steering"

    Final thing to add, ADS now appears in my menu under car settings on my Alpine X702d-AR, however none of the driving mode options are listed (just "Audi Drive Select")
     
  11. weekenny

    weekenny Active Member

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    Hmm it would seem there may be some effect, interesting as there are definitely mechanical differences (ie the cooler).

    As for the throttle the non ADS default is “auto” therefore if it had auto switched to dynamic you wouldn’t notice a better response. But switching between modes you should feel it. I think the consensus is that the throttle ADS is just adding the buttons and coding. There are guides on Audizine for adding the ADS buttons also they have done a load of research on the effects of the coding on non ADS cars. Been ages since I looked into it properly as I’m. Now on my second S4 and it has ADS.
     
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  13. Aspen

    Aspen Active Member VCDS Map User

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    Did it on mine yesterday....... no difference at all. 09 s4
     
  14. weekenny

    weekenny Active Member

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    I think it’s fairly apparent by the option prices that these were not just software coded options.
     
  15. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    I definitely can feel a difference in the steering but this option in Carista/VAGCOM is clearly not the full fat ADS.

    Well worth a try though.
     
  16. JLX

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    I have a B8.5 (62 plate) and enabled it via Carista. I was expecting quite a large difference to begin with so was left questioning if it had done anything as it wasn't that noticeable at first. However after a few longer trips, etc. I started noticing the difference and there is a faster acceleration response when in Dynamic over Comfort or Auto. The steering lightens up as well.
    I have active exhaust so controls my exhaust noise which is the main reason I use it. Dynamic definitely reduces the MPG.
     
  17. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    Interesting - what engine are you running?

    If you are seeing a difference in MPG that could point to an increase in performance, but it's still hard to be objective. I'm going to try and test throttle response on the weekend, with dynamic mode on, and with all the ADS settings turned off via Carista.

    Again, are you using the Beta or stable version of the app?
     
  18. JLX

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    I'm running a 2.0TDI 143.

    From memory it may have been beta back then.
     
  19. RJ-8V

    RJ-8V Active Member Team Daytona Audi A3 S-line owners group

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    The carista app does not correctly codes ADS on the B8.5 wait till it out of its bèta.

    If you have obd11, vcds or vcp you can correctly code it.

    You will feel the difference in your throttle and steering.



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  20. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    Hi mate - how are you so sure about the effects?
     
  21. RJ-8V

    RJ-8V Active Member Team Daytona Audi A3 S-line owners group

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    Because coding, parametrisation, update etc is my daily job. :)

    If incorrectly coded the effects are not noticable but when correctly codes it works great.

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  22. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    In which case, that's more than enough for me!

    With regards to the your comment re beta/stable versions of the app - i have seen that on the stable version, ADS can be enabled. However on a Carista blog they suggest to use the Beta version. I'm going to continue testing with that version and then i will reinstall the stable version and run the same tests again.

    Cheers bud
     
  23. RJ-8V

    RJ-8V Active Member Team Daytona Audi A3 S-line owners group

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    The problem with the B8.5 and apps is that they don't code some stuff correctly. Just use vcds or manually code it with carista (if that's possible). I can help you with the correct coding

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  24. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    i have seen on other threads that you have supplied to code which is great. But i would need to find someone close to me with the equipment as i only have Carista, through which you can't do any coding that i'm aware of.

    Where are you based?
     
  25. RJ-8V

    RJ-8V Active Member Team Daytona Audi A3 S-line owners group

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    Outside the UK :)

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  26. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    Ah i thought i saw you mention the Netherlands in another thread?! I'll give you a shout if i find someone local with VAGCOM.
     
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  27. RJ-8V

    RJ-8V Active Member Team Daytona Audi A3 S-line owners group

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    Just sent me a PM then.

    Important: if you have mmi basic (satnav dvd/sd bases) don't change the adaption channels for drive select. You don't have the button so it is not neccessary to change them. Only with MMI Plus you have to change them in order to get more "modes" .

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  28. scotty76

    scotty76 Well-Known Member Team Phantom Audi S4

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    Just for comparison I have ADS from the factory. In Dynamic the throttle is like a hair trigger, really sensitive. In Eco it's like flooring a cruise ship. So if you don't feel a massive difference it doesn't sound like it has worked properly.
     
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  29. Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Super Nintendo Chalmers Member TeamMisano TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    Good to know, I'll bear that in mind when testing. Others have referred to the difference as night and day so that's a good reference point.

    With the steering, I have tested with no ADS enabled and compared to Dynamic. I'll test against Comfort setting for more data.
     
  30. RJ-8V

    RJ-8V Active Member Team Daytona Audi A3 S-line owners group

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    Steering on Dynamic = heavier steering from 50km/h and up. The car is much more stable on higher speeds.

    Normally you have the feeling that the car is "nervous" , you have to keep your hand on the wheel otherwise it will go everywhere. On Dynamic it keeps it course better because of the heavier steering.



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