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Dark side tuning box comparison.

T-1000 May 21, 2020

  1. T-1000

    T-1000 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting watch.




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  3. IRONy_MAN

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    God bless you such a good video as yesterday and today I ve exchanged some messages with a site sponsor regarding the acquisition of one of these boxes and he gave me the feeling that he s overconfident as they sale nice stuff comparing with another brands that they re cheap ****.
     
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  4. ABYSS

    ABYSS Andrew - Diesel Tuning UK Site Sponsor

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    Not exactly independent when a remapper takes a swipe at tuning boxes, nothing different to what I’ve seen and heard for the last 15 years...


    Darkside have been knocking boxes for at least the last 4.5/5 years via their written blog.

    But hey it’s a video on YouTube so it’s got to be right and truthful ...
     
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  5. IRONy_MAN

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    Have to say that it s very strange how the first box didn t show any difference on the dyno and yes he might be a bit subjective
     
  6. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member

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    I had a Darkside car go past me at Castle Coombe + a blast of soot just to up the embarrassment! Then found out it is a 500hp diesel ...

    TX.

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  7. Baj257

    Baj257 Active Member

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    But was any of what he was saying correct/incorrect? If so many remapping companies take a swipe at the tuning boxes why not produce a video to explain why the tuning box is better or equal. Not the normal **** like you can unplug it when it goes to the dealer and it doesn’t invalidate your warranty. Give answers to the negatives, factual based. Can a tuning box be as good as a custom map from a respectable company.


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  8. Gazwould

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    The box in this test a fairly simple one that did best, TDI tuning , and I totally believe a different car a different box would produce the better result .

    So this is TDI's take on remapping .



    "Completely traceless" and remaps are for "track and drift car" , as we know most are for the road and improve everyday drivability as well as performance .


    So why are they resorting to lies to sell tuning boxes !


    Another day , another dyno , TDI tuning .





    There's some wild claims out there , on my other car one box manufacturer claims a 120 Nm gain whereas most Stage 1 is 50 Nm , not possible when keeping a dpf !!!
     
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  9. DieselJake

    DieselJake Well-Known Member VCDS Map User

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    Irony is Darkside are rubbish at mapping (ask how I know) second to none on parts and labour but charts don't lie:

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  10. Gazwould

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    That is true , I'm sure by now they've learned some lessons .

    Alot of cars need 50 miles or so post map to relearn some values to smooth out any peaks .

    Best to post a remap dyno result after some road .

    The result they attained in the video wasn't peaky , but for a concrete result , Bobby or Rick .
     
  11. DieselJake

    DieselJake Well-Known Member VCDS Map User

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    Feel free to be a guinea pig, bit optimistic coming from someone who's been posting and slating their work, guess this is just more online flattery with no experience.

    Like the second dyno result...
     
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  13. Gazwould

    Gazwould Well-Known Member

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    Things change old boy , you can't have a closed mind over things that progress .

    Seen it a million times with various products that have development .

    Tuning boxes cannot progress unless they go fully piggyback ECU .

    Clearly in their current state the torque limiters in the ECU software are not letting the boxes totally fool them by letting them have the power .

    That's the crack , they can't circumvent these limiters whereas a remap can relax them .

    Even then with remapping an automatic could restrict with it's torque limiters calling for some gearbox TCU remapping.
     
  14. terminator x

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    I had the JFA box on my RS4, turned the car absolutely mental so it seems some of the boxes do work ok.

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  15. Gazwould

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    I think it's an individual basis of car , some having more relaxed engine limits allowing a box to be effective and some not .
     
  16. DieselJake

    DieselJake Well-Known Member VCDS Map User

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    Show progression, been their old and new facility theirs a reason they put customer cars behind locked gates.

    Which it wasn't...
     
  17. Gazwould

    Gazwould Well-Known Member

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    Just talking in general about torque limiters .
     
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  19. Pie-eyedpiper

    Pie-eyedpiper Active Member

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    I had a tuning box on my 2.0tdi A4 B7.
    Supposed to take it from 140 to 170. It felt ok.
    After deleting my EGR valve I needed the EML switching off so I went for a remap to give similar gains. The guy asked if I had a tuning box on as my valance was sooty and I was puffing out black smoke. Apparently all they do is overfuel the engine to make gains.
    After the proper re-map in all areas of the torque curve it felt totally different and is better on fuel.
    A tuning box is ok if you want to remove it and leave no trace, on a company car etc.
     
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  20. Ricky Burrows

    Ricky Burrows Well-Known Member

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    That's boxes in a nut shell tbh, custom map is the only way to get the most out of your money and doing it safely.
     
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