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D3S Headlamp bulb upgrade

KrisKrk Oct 11, 2016

  1. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Hi all!

    New here so I thought I'll ask experts about my issue?

    It is more of a dilemma about D3S bulb upgrade.

    I've got 2010 Avant A6 C6 wih self level system. From low beam I can switch to high beam on this bulb, by single pull on the stalk (flash only). Having high beam bulb separate, which switches on by pushing stalk forward for constant on.
    Read few threads and stories here and there about those bulbs being xenon but i think they are Bi-xenon in my car.
    Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

    I want to replace these bulbs to something brighter and cooler in temperature at the same time (if possible).

    Really like Phillips Xtreme Vision +50% as D3S's or Latest LED High Power bulbs (with or without ballast).

    Recently fitted these NightEye H11 6500k 4000lm (per bulb) as Fog's and they look brilliant.
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    These type of led bulbs are available as D3S but not sure if error will not show on dash and what light output to expect.

    Any ideas, advice, thoughts?

    Thx in advance
     
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  3. Sandra

    Sandra Administrator Staff Member Administrator Platinum Supporter Audi Main Dealer

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    Ask our site sponsor @t8ups he is the lighting and bulb expert.
     
  4. niedzial1983

    niedzial1983 Registered User

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    Do you not get any errors, hyperflash, etc for the fog lamps after fitting led ?

    2006 Audi A6 3.0TDI quattro sline le mans | Daytona Grey Pearl
     
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  5. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Hi Sandra,
    Thank you for that.
    Will drop them a message.

    Hi niedzial1983,

    Belive it or not but fitted mid last week and didn't noticed nothing in fogs with those bulbs.
    Until today
    Previously I had normal leds. They throw an dash error straight away.
    Every time I switched on the ignition, the warning sound and bulb sign came up on.
    Installed the 50ohm 6watt ressistors but did not helped.
    Now with those power led bulbs the error is gone but flashes started.
    They both flash at the same time every 30 seconds.
    Coming to car and leaving home fog led's come up whenever press open on the key and they look stunning.
    These flashes however I noticed today in the rear bumper reflection of the car ahead
    Still got ressistors installed.
    Found the wire loom under the wheel arch liner, in front of the wheel and cramped ressistors there. All secured with the screw to the metal bracked not to heet up and burn some plastics.
    Have same story on the rear as fitted some cree led 501's as a reverse light. No errors since changed but flashes from time to time.

    Resistors too weak for the fogs and lack of any for reverse?
     
  6. niedzial1983

    niedzial1983 Registered User

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    What resistors have you got currently ? I read somewhere 20-25ohm should be enough on each side

    Apparently when the car checks for bulbs system does it in pairs. So it checks the right side and compares with resistance of the left side ... something new i have learned when researching led swap for c6 :)

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  7. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Got 50ohm 6Watt on each side. Thought it may be enough. Should I add another one, smaller maybe?
    Similar situation I have for reverse lights but they do not blink together at the same time and I have no resistors fitted. Surprisingly there was no error on the dash when fitted them.
     
  8. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Right, after short conversation with @t8ups, expert in lightning recommendation, I've fitted the Ostam Xernac CBI onto my beloved one.
    Before
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    Unfortunately, I do jot have the road picture but is was poor output anyway. Compare tonother cars, it wasn't so strong and visible on the road.

    After the change
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    The light is much more powerful, crispier and cooler in temperature.
    Output (stationary)
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    Definitely stronger but will take some night, on the road pictures.
    Full beam on
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    and already more visible ligjt is there.
    As all xenon light bulbs have to burn in, I don't expect to fall any loweer than that on the road.
     
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  9. Simon968

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    I might need to upgrade the bulbs in my Avant soon.
    How easy are they to change?

    Just had a quick Google and the Osram Nightbreakers seem to give more light output. Was there any reason why our resident lighting expert recommended the CBIs over the Nightbreakers?
     
  10. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Hi Simon968,
    They not that difficult to change.
    Driver's side need air filter with cover removed and the whole housing also (if you can). I couldn't take it out so squeezed the bulb out and in somehow.
    Passenger's side require power steering reservoir unbolting and moving out of the way.
    Both bulbs twist left to unscrew and the wire plug has a small tab to press before removing.
    Easy job overall and shouldn't take more than 30-40 minutes.

    I was after crisper, cooler in temperature and brighter bulbs.
    Stock ones have gone darker on the road.

    Osrams CBI should give 20% more light and cooler temperature, upto 5000k.
    Philips xtreme vision has temperature upto 4800k and should give 50% more light.
    Don't know the Night brakers.

    Depends what you're after.
     
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  13. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Will check the cbi's in the dark to compare with stock ones and report back here.
     
  14. Simon968

    Simon968 Registered User

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    I found this and it seems as though the CBI give a better light;

     
  15. Steveredman

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    Hi KrisKrk,

    Unfortunately the resistors will not stop the flashing, this is a symptom of the LED lighting up quicker than the original halogen bulb. The test pulse is too short to produce noticeable light from a halogen. I've looked into it and there seems to be no way to switch this off


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  16. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Thank you Steveredman.
    Noticed another thread here that a guy was changing he's A6 front bumper to the rs6 version and wanted to disable the fogs entirely with vcds cable and coding. Rs version doesnt have fogs and he didn't want any error on the dash.
    I think he managed to get it done but it is possible, I've heard.
    Thought of it for a minute but it will disable their functionality so decided to get used to the flashes ever 30sec.

    Simon968,
    Here's how my lights give light now, after few days of running
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    I'm sure they'll change in temperature and further light output as they need approx. 20-30 working hours to burn in.
    We'll see in few weeks how it goes.

    Thank you all for input
     
  17. Turbo Tony

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    This is a great thread. I'm trying to decide between the Nightbreakers and the CBI bulbs too.

    Thanks for posting the pics!
     
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    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Thanx Turbo Tony,
    More choice We have, more confused We are, these days. LOL

    Let us know what you've went for.
    Don't forget about pictures.
     
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  19. Simon968

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    They certainly look nice and bright.
    How do they compare to the originals out on the road and how many miles had they done?
     
  20. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    I can see big difference, mate.
    With original ones I had no road visibility with street laps beaming down, only when completely dark. I couldn't see far either.
    Seen reflections in cars in front and on the road signs but that's about it.
    With those Osram's CBI, light is much brighter, more powerful, reaches further and nicely lay on the road. Even with the street lights on, I can see wider pattern on both sides of the road.
    Definitely better bulbs than oem ones.

    Car has clocked just over 89k and I'm the second owner. First one was an older guy from Bath but looked after the car. Serviced in Audi, kept receipts for all works done and all that.
    I doubt bulbs were changed at any point before me.

    I want to get the same CBI ones for the main beam as it's still orm yellow.
    Some sites tell me they are D3S's like the dipped beam but it doesn't look like that at all. I'm sure it is one of the H ones but need to phone stealership to make sure.
     
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    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    It turned out that I have some kind of special version of the car.

    After the D3S upgrade, I've looked at the main beam bulb and thought to check them for the type but didn't as all parts were already fitted back.

    Checked online and few car bulb websites said I have also D3S for the main beam. Audi dealership also confirmed same story.

    Looking at the picture, it definitely does not look like xenon bulb

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    Anyone have like that?
     
  23. Steveredman

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    In mine the same D3S does both dipped and full beam. The headlight has some kind of shade which it moves over the bulb. It has a H8 bulb next to it but this is the cornering bulb (it lights when you turn corners and shines on to the side of the road you are turning towards). Have you put on your main beam and had a look to see which bulbs are lit?


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  24. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Yes. Mines are D3S as dipped and main to flash only. Main beam switches on when stalk is pushed forward and these are the bulbs pictured that are on.
     
  25. Simon968

    Simon968 Registered User

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    The halogen bulb is only to flash.
    Main beam and dipped beam use the same D3S bulb. A shutter moves when the main beam is selected.
     
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    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Do you know what type is that bulb, Simon?

    It does stay on when selected main beam from stalk and dipped raised flap up for full beam when flash only.
    Other way round in mine.
     
  27. Simon968

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    Not off hand.
    I'll have a look in the hand book later.

    I think your car must be special :smiley:
     
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    Simon968 Registered User

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    Handbook doesn't seem to cover headlamp bulbs and there is nothing listed on the Autobulbs website.
    However, I can confirm that I only have xenon bulbs on when I push the lever forward and the shutter activates.
    When I pull back to flash I get xenon and the halogen too.
     
  29. Turbo Tony

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    Lots of halogens look the same, but it looks a lot like an H7 to me.
     
  30. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    I've just checked my handbook and no information on headlamp bulbs can be found.

    Looks like I need to get to the lamp and pull it out to be 100% sure.

    Thanx for all help
     
  31. Simon968

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    I think cornering headlamps must be quite a rare option, or is it something that you had activated with VCDS?
     
  32. Steveredman

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    Looking at the picture KrisKrk posted mine looks a little different as the cornering bulb has a reflector next the it to send the light to the side. It's a factory thing on my car. Mine are definitely H8 which is easy to differentiate from H7 by the 90 degree plastic socket on the back.


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  34. Steveredman

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    If my car weren't in the garage with it's brake calipers off then I'd take a photo


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  35. Simon968

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    Thanks Steve.
    Are you upgrading the calipers or has the electronic handbrake gone?
    Mine went just before Christmas which was a nice surprise!
     
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    That's bad news Simon, luckily for me it's not so dire. The previous owner of my car fitted cheap rotors and pads which were juddering badly. I also suspected at least one of the calipers was binding. The calipers have gone off to be refurbed and painted and when they come back they will be fitted along with EBC rotors and pads which should hopefully be a lot smoother as well as looking nicer under the wheels!


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  37. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Just got back from the car after an hour of trying to get to the main beam bulbs.
    It is such a awkward place in the head lamp and restricted by everything around the lamp that I was even not able to look in there properly.
    Tried with the phone front camera, different angles and nearly got onto the engine but cannot see a thing. Could not grab them either.
    Unable to determine what type of fitment these bulbs are, I've gave up:sos:

    I'm going to temove the bumper soon as going to fit new grille so maybe will take the whole lamp out and check.
    Probably would need to do it again to install new bulbs in:cower:

    As We're with bulbs,
    my driver side door puddle and red, warning light are not working.
    I've changed the bulbs to led's nearly a year ago and all was fine untill few weeks ago. Today thought I'll change them but it turned out that when I take them both out, in the wires is about 7.5v. If place them back in, they do not work and there is no power at all in there.
    Tried to look for fuses but any door related fuse was fine.
    Any ideas?
     
  38. Steveredman

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    I share your pain, I managed to get to the offside bulb by removing the air filter box, after a lot of messing I eventually gave up on the nearside. I did manage to get some images by using the video function on my phone, maybe you could try that?

    As for your door lights I believe that the car will cut voltage if it detects a fault, maybe one of the bulbs has a defect? If you have a multimeter you could check the resistance across the bulb's terminals?


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    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    I've successfully replaced both low beam D3S bulbs in about half an hour but watched loads of pictures and videos of DIY.
    These bulbs are further in the lamp so difficult to see anything.

    I've unplug both fittings and tested voltage on both plugs but the same reading of just ober 7.5v.
    When bulbs and fittings plugged in, it goes to 0V.
    Is there any specific fuse for this loom?
     
  40. Steveredman

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    It seems odd as I would have expected you to see 12V. If there were a blown fuse then you would see nothing regardless of anything being plugged in.


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  41. Simon968

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    Just a thought, but have you tried putting ordinary bulbs in instead of the LEDs?
    If the car detects a fault it will cut power to the circuit.
     
  42. Steveredman

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    If the LED were creating a short then this would make some sense. As Simon suggested try a normal bulb as a test or if your meter has a resistance function test the bulbs to see if you see anything odd.


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  43. KrisKrk

    KrisKrk A6 C6 4F 2010 LeMans Avant

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    Thanx for the advice. Will try all options and report back.
     

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