custom remap ? over generic tune revo/apr

[kbrownie]

anyone had a custom remap on the s3 8v ? I have always know them too be better than generic remaps

 

[Sug]

I have custom remap on mine and all is good. I've previously had stage 1-2 etc from Apr and other well known brands on previous cars. I know the custom tuner well as he previously bought my mk6 R off me for a project car so I thought I'd let him map the Audi on his 4wd rolling road.

 

[kbrownie]

what figures did you end up with ?

 

[Max-Robbo]

Are the APR/REVO maps not custom as well...? I thought they were, as I thought maps should differ from car to car?

Correct me if I'm wrong!

 

[Revo Steve-W]

A custom map tends to be something with little development time and done on a dyno chasing numbers in a fake environment v a Revo remap which has had around 12 months development and BETA testing around the world in many differing climates and conditions, ensuring that the car will perform to its optimum irrespective of conditions. Revo software is also switchable/adjustable making it the most developed custom software available for the VAG range, so will be set up to make the most of your individual vehicle. We are so confident in the Revo software that we even offer a 30 day return to stock/money back guarantee, can't get fairer than that.

Evo magazine gave us a 5 start review when they tested the Stage 1 2.0TSi software - http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-r/14876/revo-volkswagen-golf-r-review-price-specs-and-0-60-time

Revo is also a complete software file, so rather then simply going into the performance area of the ECU deleting safety parameters and upping values across the board, we create a full software file, this also means that the software can be flashed on and off as required, it also means that you can upgrade to a complete Stage 2 file for just £50+VAT once you have the hardware to suit, rather than having to pay for another file in full.

Revo have worked and specialised in VAG vehicles for 15 years now, we stick to what we know and do it right, yes we could start doing software for BMW, Mercedes etc tomorrow, but that would then mean we'd become a Jack of all trades, rather than being able to put the concentrated months of development in that we do today, which results in not only a software file that given you ultimate balance in performance and drive-ability, but also reliability too!

Revo software is also specific to your exact ECU I.D, so will work in complete harmony with all your factory options.

Please contact your local Revo dealer for more information - http://www.revotechnik.com/dealer-locator

 

[Revo Steve-W]

Another point is figures, peak figures do not directly reflect on road performance, you could be chasing peak numbers whilst loosing mid-range, which is where you need it for track and road, again why Revo develop on track and road, not chasing numbers in a fake environment with the bonnet open and a big fan pointing at the car, this said we make the numbers, but that's due to the development put in.
Have a read of the following links for more information on this subject - http://www.revotechnik.com/support/technical/peak-power-figures-explained / http://www.revotechnik.com/support/technical/rolling-roads-explained

 

[Sug]

377bhp and 509nm

 

[Dandanfings]

Custom tune is better than a 'canned' tune, call up MRC in banbury as they do amazing work.
none of the big brands are custom, its the EXACT same tune just flashed to your ecu.

 

[MikeParkin]

I thought you where all for APR when you first had your car mapped ? @Dandanfings

 

[S3_Blue]

Is the latest S3 like the MK7 Golf R, as in your car is Flagged as being remapped with Audi via your ECU, I.E they will know your car is / was remapped.

 

[jungle650]

Custom tune is better than a 'canned' tune, call up MRC in banbury as they do amazing work.
none of the big brands are custom, its the EXACT same tune just flashed to your ecu.

Nothing against the big boys - APR or Revo. Infact REVO Steve seems a very decent chap on the forums and it would appear they have invested a lot of development time into their products.

Like most things in life... You pay for what you get. There are independents and independents.

MRC @ Danbury are well known and seem respected in other Audi forums. A lot of the RS 4/6 boys swear by them.

I havent had any personal dealing but...A local chap to me who has a 2016 spec S3 with the newer ECU took his there recently ( based on recommendation and a lot of research) and has been as pleased as punch with the results. (So much so he couldnt wait to show me and make me a little jealous!)

He had the following fitted:

ECU map
R600 racing intake
Miltek Large bore de cat downpipe
TCU DSG retune ( MRC insisted he had the DSG tune done for over 500Nm of torque)

His car on the dyno made:

381 bhp. 562 nm

He had the DTUK FSR box before, and although he loved that, this is a far smoother power delivery and fuel economy is actually vastly improved.

After the remap and a few weeks later he went back for a bit more extra work.

Inlet manifold + full intake kit fitted and the car now makes marginally more power and breathes very well Running below 100C pretty much all the time.

His car now makes:

387bhp 569nm

I have been lucky enough to drive it and not only does the stock exhaust now sound incredible, the turbo and intake also add to the overal aural experience. Its loud!.. very loud given its stock. But still has the comfort / flap settings therefore no droning so ok for long motorway runs still.

As you can imagine it also drives superb. Feels very stock on part throttle then pulls like a train as the revs / throttle increases....Its epic.!

Will be interesting what its like side by side / back to back with mine now.

If MRC is on your radar, based on what I have seen and driven I would be amazed if you would be dissapointed.


Jungle

 

[MikeParkin]

Is anyone stage 2 MRC ?

What sort of figures would be achieved?

 

[Dandanfings]

Is anyone stage 2 MRC ?

What sort of figures would be achieved?

similar bhp but 590nm+
I have nothing against APR they make a cracking tune, but after seeing the improvements made by MRC... well my eyes were opened.

 

[Revo Steve-W]

There are other tuners out there and some do indeed do a respectable job, it all depends what you want from your car, I don't like or subscribe to the mentality seen on many other forums and hence I avoid most of them, full of uneducated people who think just because something they once heard from another Muppet that another company must be crap, never having even sat in a car tuned by said company, let alone owned or experienced for themselves....

Revo software is the most developed software on the market for the 2.0TSi, we have put 12 months plus development and testing in at each stage, we have our own fleet of 2.0TSi cars here at varying levels, which are all Revo development/demo cars (S1, S3, 7R, vRS), as well as having many other 2.0TSi cars around the world at various test locations.

The Revo software is specific to your ECU I.D, so not a one fits all solution and it works complete harmony with all factory systems, not only this but the software is also adjustable/switchable and set up to suit the individual vehicle/driver requirements.

Due to the extensive R&D work we have put in under the varying climates and conditions around the world, not only can you be assured that Revo will make the most of your car for drive ability and performance on the track and road in the mid-range where you would want it (not chasing numbers on a rolling road, figures which don't reflect true performance), we also retain the all important reliability, something which we have shown time and time again, standing strong whilst others have on occasion pushed cars beyond the safe limitations, which will either see mechanical failure or the engine getting too warm over an extended operating period and thus starting to pull back, it's about consistency, not just a single run/lap/drag.

We have the set/proven upgrade paths, all as I say tested on our own cars (not other peoples), so you know you are getting a software and hardware package that is well tested and proven, not a so called 'custom tune' which has had minimal testing and development.

It's horses for courses at the end of the day, Revo is still a family owned company and a small team in reality, a team which have become known as one of the so called 'big boys' through our passion and success. Sadly getting to this level will also makes for haters too...

On the subject of these 2.0TSi's, you don't get a 5 star Evo magazine review for nothing - http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-r/14876/revo-volkswagen-golf-r-review-price-specs-and-0-60-time

 

[S3_Blue]

Revo Steve, does your software flag up with Audi for warranty reasons?

 

[Revo Steve-W]

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Review Steve, does your software flag up with Audi for warranty reasons?

Any modification, whether through software or tuning box for that matter becomes a grey area, however the Revo software is a complete software file and as such can be removed with all traces by loading a 'stock' VAG software file, something we always advise customers to do prior to a main dealer visit. I have never seen a Revo tuned car that's been flashed back to stock have a warranty claim rejected against it and we have over 400 dealers around the world reporting back to us, however as said it remains a grey area, who knows what will change and the owner needs to make their owe informed decision, if they're that worried then leave it stock and miss out on the cars true potential....

 

[MikeParkin]

I'm going for Revo @Revo Steve-W does it matter what Revo dealer I use? I'm in the north east and I'm going to see the performance centre to find out if my ECU is compatible.

 

[Revo Steve-W]

I'm going for Revo @Revo Steve-W does it matter what Revo dealer I use? I'm in the north east and I'm going to see the performance centre to find out if my ECU is compatible.

Great news, all the Revo dealers are approved and able to assist you Mike.

You can find their details here - http://www.revotechnik.com/dealer-locator

I'm pretty confident that they'll have the file for your ECU Mike and look forward to your feedback.

 

[MikeParkin]

Well I'll be going stage 2 as I have all the bits and peaces to put on now so I'm looking forward to it @Revo Steve-W

 

[Dandanfings]

Revo software is the most developed software on the market for the 2.0TSi

Bold statement to make there, how can you say that when other tuners like APR may of been working longer?
Anyway I don't want to turn this into another revo thread, there are many options out there and i personally prefer custom mapped by a pro like MRC.

 

[MikeParkin]

I've been on the fence for quite some time now, Revo was my first choice but as time went on MRC felt like the best option. After some carful consideration personally I think that the Revo software will be the best at this present time.

 

[Dandanfings]

Look as someone that has owned a decent tune from a decent company..... I would not do it again.
I dont want to start a tuner war here but a custom tune really will get the best out of your vehicle. you cant get the best out of a car by making one file/tune to fit all vehicles as all will be different.

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

I have MRC stage 1 custom software, I previously had APR stage2.
There is a huge difference in the driveability now, the car pulls alot harder and makes more power across the Rev range, peak power is up to just over 400hp & 580nm
Apr was a good tune but I'm finding the Mrc tune to be in a different league

 

[Revo Steve-W]

Look as someone that has owned a decent tune from a decent company..... I would not do it again.
I dont want to start a tuner war here but a custom tune really will get the best out of your vehicle. you cant get the best out of a car by making one file/tune to fit all vehicles as all will be different.

Revo don't make 'one file', Revo is specific to exact ECU I.D as it's a complete software file (not just data area adjustment of a factory file), Revo is also adjustable, data logged by the Revo dealer and set up/adjusted to suit the individual vehicle. This is why we stick to VAG which we've done for 15 years, putting the time in to get it right.

As long as you're happy with your car, that's what matters, not looking to convert you, however it's only fair that others get the true facts, rather than people commenting without complete knowledge or insight. No other company goes to the global lengths of R&D that Revo do, this is why we are rarely first to market, we take our time and perfect the software 'prior' to release, rather than having to keep releasing updated files whilst testing on customers cars.

 

[batch]

Revo don't make 'one file', Revo is specific to exact ECU I.D as it's a complete software file (not just data area adjustment of a factory file), Revo is also adjustable, data logged by the Revo dealer and set up/adjusted to suit the individual vehicle. This is why we stick to VAG which we've done for 15 years, putting the time in to get it right.

As long as you're happy with your car, that's what matters, not looking to convert you, however it's only fair that others get the true facts, rather than people commenting without complete knowledge or insight. No other company goes to the global lengths of R&D that Revo do, this is why we are rarely first to market, we take our time and perfect the software 'prior' to release, rather than having to keep releasing updated files whilst testing on customers cars.

Well said Steve. I ended up with an MTM M-Cantronic as I got impatient (my ECU hadn't been cracked), but I tried to get a REVO and that would be my choice in future.

 

[S3_Blue]

Revo don't make 'one file', Revo is specific to exact ECU I.D as it's a complete software file (not just data area adjustment of a factory file), Revo is also adjustable, data logged by the Revo dealer and set up/adjusted to suit the individual vehicle. This is why we stick to VAG which we've done for 15 years, putting the time in to get it right.

As long as you're happy with your car, that's what matters, not looking to convert you, however it's only fair that others get the true facts, rather than people commenting without complete knowledge or insight. No other company goes to the global lengths of R&D that Revo do, this is why we are rarely first to market, we take our time and perfect the software 'prior' to release, rather than having to keep releasing updated files whilst testing on customers cars.

I remember from my Ford days that certain 'bespoke' tuners used generic maps and claimed it as their own work and to be specific to your car ?, is it fair to say this still happens these days ?

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

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Revo don't make 'one file', Revo is specific to exact ECU I.D as it's a complete software file (not just data area adjustment of a factory file), Revo is also adjustable, data logged by the Revo dealer and set up/adjusted to suit the individual vehicle. This is why we stick to VAG which we've done for 15 years, putting the time in to get it right.

As long as you're happy with your car, that's what matters, not looking to convert you, however it's only fair that others get the true facts, rather than people commenting without complete knowledge or insight. No other company goes to the global lengths of R&D that Revo do, this is why we are rarely first to market, we take our time and perfect the software 'prior' to release, rather than having to keep releasing updated files whilst testing on customers cars.

You should try a custom map to see what the difference is between your revo map & the custom one, I just think you should try the different options out there and you will have a better first hand knowledge of how they each perform, I was previously sold on Apr software, now my cars power delivery is in a different league with the custom Mrc software

 

[Max-Robbo]

Out of interest, does a remap throw out MPG readings on the DIS in the same way a tuning box does?

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

Out of interest, does a remap throw out MPG readings on the DIS in the same way a tuning box does?

No

 

[Max-Robbo]

No

To the point. I like it!
Cheers

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

To the point. I like it!
Cheers

Ha!
Was busy there so just put a straight forward no, lol

 

[Dandanfings]

Revo don't make 'one file', Revo is specific to exact ECU I.D as it's a complete software file (not just data area adjustment of a factory file), Revo is also adjustable, data logged by the Revo dealer and set up/adjusted to suit the individual vehicle. This is why we stick to VAG which we've done for 15 years, putting the time in to get it right.

As long as you're happy with your car, that's what matters, not looking to convert you, however it's only fair that others get the true facts, rather than people commenting without complete knowledge or insight. No other company goes to the global lengths of R&D that Revo do, this is why we are rarely first to market, we take our time and perfect the software 'prior' to release, rather than having to keep releasing updated files whilst testing on customers cars.

Now steve that is a play of words and you know it, it may not be one file but it is one tune.
and after the 1.4tsi fiasco i wouldnt be converting.

 

[TurboBen]

Out of interest, could a custom tune include the overrun cutoff? I want the pops and crackles like the RS3 and A45 AMG!

 

[batch]

Out of interest, does a remap throw out MPG readings on the DIS in the same way a tuning box does?

That's your right foot causing that...

 

[Max-Robbo]

That's your right foot causing that...

I don't know what you're talking about..

 

[Revo Steve-W]

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You should try a custom map to see what the difference is between your revo map & the custom one, I just think you should try the different options out there and you will have a better first hand knowledge of how they each perform, I was previously sold on Apr software, now my cars power delivery is in a different league with the custom Mrc software

Revo is custom software developed on each platform to give the ultimate results, it's then adjustable and switchable for individual cars to 'fine tune/switch fueling'
In effect, why change the recipe when you've spent months, sometimes over a year developing and perfecting it? then come up with something that hasn't tested globally or in many differing climates to ensure all round reliability and performance.
If you were to replace your car with one with the exact same ECU I.D and specification, then tell me you wouldn't want the same software that you're completely happy with, fine adjusted to suit your new car? Things also change over time or with fuel qualities, so another advantage of Revo is say you're travelling overseas and having to run a differing fuel grade, then you can adjust/switch your file adjusted to suit and adapt.

I'm not going to get into a tit for tat over individual companies, like I say several options, all depending what you want, however with Revo you know you'll have Performance, Drive-ability and 'Reliability'....

 

[Forbzeeee]

This is all about personal choice. I have gone with Revo Stage 1 (as I had it on my both 8P and 8L S3's) but I did consider APR and also the MTM Cantronic. The nearest APR dealer was too far from me and MTM was too expensive but MTM does comes with it's own warranty.

I have heard great things about MRC and their work on bigger Audis but as I only track my car once a year +/-5 bhp and +/- 10Nm torque isn't going to make much difference to me when I use my car every day for work clocking up over 20k miles per year.

My advice is to decide upfront how much tuning you plan to do. If you plan to go big turbo go with MRC, if you want safety of an additional warranty go with MTM and if you only want to go stage 1 then go with Revo, APR or whoever is closest to you with a good reputation.

 

[Dandanfings]

Revo is custom software developed on each platform to give the ultimate results, it's then adjustable and switchable for individual cars to 'fine tune/switch fueling'
In effect, why change the recipe when you've spent months, sometimes over a year developing and perfecting it? then come up with something that hasn't tested globally or in many differing climates to ensure all round reliability and performance.
If you were to replace your car with one with the exact same ECU I.D and specification, then tell me you wouldn't want the same software that you're completely happy with, fine adjusted to suit your new car? Things also change over time or with fuel qualities, so another advantage of Revo is say you're travelling overseas and having to run a differing fuel grade, then you can adjust/switch your file adjusted to suit and adapt.

I'm not going to get into a tit for tat over individual companies, like I say several options, all depending what you want, however with Revo you know you'll have Performance, Drive-ability and 'Reliability'....

Because no two cars are the same, this is becoming clearer and clearer to me as time goes on when tuning.

 

[Revo Steve-W]

Because no two cars are the same, this is becoming clearer and clearer to me as time goes on when tuning.

Hence the fine adjust-ability within Revo software, however also remember that modern ECU's also adapt significantly and as long as the engine is healthy and for higher stages as long as you follow the Revo upgrade path using proven hardware, then you will get the results you desire.

As for Stages, we've been running Stage 3 for over a year now on the 2.0TSi, this is something we will release within a couple of weeks after many months of global BETA testing on track and road to ensure the software is perfected for differing climates, fuel qualities and reliability.
We will quote circa 460Bhp on Stage 3 which uses the Turbo Technics S255 (Exclusive to Revo), however seeing 480Bhp, as I say we like to be conservative and stay away from number chasing.

 

[Dandanfings]

Hence the fine adjust-ability within Revo software, however also remember that modern ECU's also adapt significantly and as long as the engine is healthy and for higher stages as long as you follow the Revo upgrade path using proven hardware, then you will get the results you desire.

As for Stages, we've been running Stage 3 for over a year now on the 2.0TSi, this is something we will release within a couple of weeks after many months of global BETA testing on track and road to ensure the software is perfected for differing climates, fuel qualities and reliability.
We will quote circa 460Bhp on Stage 3 which uses the Turbo Technics S255 (Exclusive to Revo), however seeing 480Bhp, as I say we like to be conservative and stay away from number chasing.

I know this turbo, makes over 500bhp with MRC
But thats a custom tune.....