Yeah I hear what your saying, the trouble is the exhaust notes are so subjective it’s hard to find the right one without hearing it yourself. What are you running now?Was told that unless your going stage 2 a downpipe wasn't suitable for a stock car. Really is like a milltek. I'm always dubious about the exhaust note, worst fear is that it sounds like a nova with a botched straight through. Big difference in costs between identical systems. £240 price hike for titanium tips as opposed to polished tips. Really like the quad 100mm titanium tips.