Clutch judder

[ROLO]

Looking for help/advice please with my B9 2.0 tdi which I bought two months ago. The car is a 2016 tdi manual with 66k on it and one previous owner. When I first got it the clutch seemed OK but after a spell on the motorway it juddered in first gear when setting off, since then the judder happens most of the time but not always, some days it is worse than others.

I had the car into a local independent Audi specialist recently and he said the clutch/dual mass flywheel needed replacing, a ball park figure of £2500 was quoted. Since I've not had the car long the garage where it was bought from has agreed to cover some of the cost but wants me to pay £450 towards the work.

So firstly is it normal for the clutch/DMF to play up at just 66k on these? And as it's just a slight judder (and sometimes not there at all) should I ignore it and hope it doesn't get any worse, or pay the £450 and have it replaced whilst I have the opportunity?

And does anybody know why something that's faulty would judder one day but maybe not the next? Thanks!

 

[cuke2u]

The DMF can be a weak point on vehicles depending upon how the vehicle is driven, or your's is just faulty. It's up to you if you wish to bite the bullet and have it done now but it's a bit cheeky of the seller to ask for a payment. It'll only get worse so if it was me I'd get have it done...

 

[harvsurrey]

66k for a clutch and DMF to need doing isn't unusual

I have seen them go as low as 40k
It's a week point across loads of manufacturers and can depend on how smooth the driver is as well as how many clutch movements a car has done.
If its juddering its on its way and won't improve.

As to paying the 450 towards it is tricky as the seller does not know you have not done multiple full bore starts ..... its up to you negotiating that and how many miles you have done and how good the original deal was on the car.

Hope that gives some insight

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[ROLO]

Many thanks for the replies and advice, I should have said we've only done 1700 miles in it since we got it. Going to take it up with the garage today!

 

[smog c6]

I’m sure clutch is classed as a wear and tear item. After 1700 miles I’d imagine the dealer could have some grounds to reject.

Hopefully it goes well.

If it helps out your mind at ease, my previous A6 had a clutch judder for 50k+ miles and the clutch didn’t go.

My current A4 had a gearbox oil leak from the sump which I discovered after 2 months 5k miles. The dealer funded the repair of about 1k.

 

[gregpot2000]

Just a characteristic...I've had a b8, b8.5 and a b9....they have all done this after about an hour of driving. The weird thing is not clutch heavy driving. My normal commute is an hour motorway, and it would judder heavy setting off from the exit roundabout after being sat on the motorway for an hour
On the b8.5 I got a new clutch under warranty, the issue was back 8k mile later.
The b9 I doing it when I bought it with only 16k miles on.

Read online just characteristic, I've just got used to it, as my own experience tells me even changing the clutch it will be back a few months later

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[harvsurrey]

Because its not the clutch it's the dual mass flywheel that causes it .

Certain driving styles make it worse.

Driven diesel audis for 100'sk miles over the years and only had 1 do it at 86k

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[smog c6]

I used to hold the clutch at bite and whilst travelling around 30mph in 4th Rev the engine to 2k for 10-20 seconds. the clutch didn’t engage fully so the car didn’t speed up too much. Basically skip the clutch.

after that the judder would go away for a month or two and come back.

It’s definitely flywheel. Especially cold mornings/long drives. I think it had something to do with the flywheel dampness/ heat expansion caused the clutch to not sit evenly at bite.

 

[harvsurrey]

I used to hold the clutch at bite and whilst travelling around 30mph in 4th Rev the engine to 2k for 10-20 seconds. the clutch didn’t engage fully so the car didn’t speed up too much. Basically skip the clutch.

after that the judder would go away for a month or two and come back.

It’s definitely flywheel. Especially cold mornings/long drives. I think it had something to do with the flywheel dampness/ heat expansion caused the clutch to not sit evenly at bite.

Because slipping the clutch like that will glaze it slightly , therefore there is less bite to it meaning you have a small amount of slip untill it beds in again.
The slip will mask the flywheel issue but eventually it needs changing.

Feeding in the clutch with a small amount of slip is a style that does help prolong flywheel life and having the ability to totally feel what's going on through your left foot isn't something everyone can do.

It's a fine balance to keep clutch plate life and DMF.

Rev matching correctly also helps , and before you say it heal and toe does not work too well in a diesel but there are ways to make sure you get it right.





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[gregpot2000]

I still think it's a characteristic though, yes it's not right in the slightest. But if it happens so early in the car's life, it shows to me you could spend thousands on changing the DMF and it would be back a few months later, so what's the point?
I've just accepted it's unavoidable, even though I don't think it's right

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[ROLO]

Sorry for not being able to reply sooner, I got the car fixed by the garage in the end, new dual mass flywheel and clutch, pleased to say (fingers crossed) all good!

 

[harvsurrey]

If you don't repeatedly shock load the clutch and have a fairly smooth style you will find it does not happen again for a long long time.

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