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BRE/BRD intake manifold swirl flap

Pie-eyedpiper Nov 1, 2020

  1. Pie-eyedpiper

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    Has anyone deleted their swirl flaps and was there any benefit to it?
    I'm not having g any issues, but I love to get rid of unnecessaries that can cause problems.
    The manifold is still likely to be coked up even after removing the EGR valve and could do with a clean. Deleting the flaps at the same time seems the obvious thing.
     
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  3. Damian_S

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    I have, used a Bkd manifold with egr and dpf delete, no obvious downsides, just something less to break in the future!
     
  4. Pie-eyedpiper

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    I've just bought a spare manifold to clean up and replace mine.
    Part number O3G129713. No H.
    Apparently the H refers to it having swirl flaps.
    I've read that somehow low end torque is reduced due to the smoothed out airflow.
     
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    I wouldn't say it was noticeable in my experience
     
  6. Pie-eyedpiper

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    Good stuff, thanks.
     
  7. tr7

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    I thought the idea was to buy one with no swirl flaps?

    Interested in doing this myself having saw and had to clean out my own.
     
  8. Pie-eyedpiper

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    That's just what I've done. Bought a manifold with no flaps, less to go wrong. Going to clean it up and change them over.
    Think it's BLB doesn't have them, no idea why some engines codes do and some don't.
     
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  9. Damian_S

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    I've used a Bkd manifold, for several cars, this is also the same manifold Darkside offer for this conversion.
     
  10. tr7

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    Yeh don’t remember having them on my old BLB. Def a mod I would do if found the right inlet
     
  11. Pie-eyedpiper

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    BKD manifold arrived, without swirl flaps. Going to give it a good clean up, and reshape the plate where the EGR valve would go (I've removed mine). This enables the oil filter to be accessed much easier.
    The manifold is pretty coked up, but I've seen worse. My BRE manifold must be pretty bad as I only removed the EGR valve at 110k. But it should stay fairly clean from now on.

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  13. tr7

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    Blank off the Inlet manifold flap hole, and fill it with a citrus degreaser over night
     
  14. Pie-eyedpiper

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    Good idea, does the citrus make a difference?
    Was going to use Mr Muscle and Jizer.
     
  15. tr7

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    100% the best thing I found to clean it.

    IMG_0764.jpg IMG_0765.jpg IMG_0768.jpg
     
  16. Pie-eyedpiper

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    That's clean.
    Do you have a brand name?
     
  17. tr7

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    Don’t remember, it wasnt commercial grade stuff though.

    Any clean care/suppliers will have something
     
  18. Pie-eyedpiper

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    Ok thanks.
    I've got 5 lts of Deb Jizer needs using up.
     
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    Cleaned up the BKD manifold, it was pretty carbines up, up to 5mm in places. They rely aren't the easiest shaped thing to clean. Combinations of Jizer and Mr Muscle eventually got it to an ok standard.
    Something less to go wrong now.

    IMG_20201114_125127944_copy_3024x2268.jpg
    My old BRE manifold. Swirl flaps pretty carbond up, 2 years after an EGR delete, but 10 years of eating poo. All working fine though.

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    Replacement BKD manifold after a good clean up.

    IMG_20201114_124813687_copy_3024x2268.jpg Block inlet, bit of a clean up with carb cleaner.

    IMG_20201114_130032733_copy_3024x2268.jpg Modified flange, allows easier access to the oil filter.

    IMG_20201114_145525885_copy_3024x2268.jpg New manifold refitted. Vacuum hose to the swirl flap actuator valve blanked off.
     

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  20. tr7

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    Nice. Looks so good without the EGR valve too.

    Would love to know how you get on with. As others have mentioned potential idling issues, though can't see how since this is a factory part.


    Is that Darkside EGR delete or where did you source it @Pie-eyedpiper ?
     
  21. Pie-eyedpiper

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    Had no issues without the EGR in 2 years and no e since changing the manifold on Saturday.
    I looked at Darksides 'billet"tube, for about £90. They say it's better having no welds to crack under the weight of the ASV.
    I bought a cheaper Allard one off eBay for about £40 and it's fine, no issues at all.
     

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