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B9 RS4 Avant Keyless Entry Query

rapport25 Dec 6, 2018

  1. rapport25

    rapport25 New Member

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    Hi guys,

    Not a fan of keyless entry due to the thieving scum bags out there ☹

    How do you protect yours?

    Rappy.
     
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  3. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    You can turn off keyless entry from the MMI. Still locks with a touch of door handle just won't open without key press.

    TX.

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  4. rapport25

    rapport25 New Member

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    Fantastic TX,

    :thumbs up:

    Perfect

    Rappy
     
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  5. Chris518

    Chris518 Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4 quattro

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    I had an ghost immobiliser system fitted as an extra precaution and was given a Faraday bag for the key . Checked on ebay and these bags are going for £33 so feel safe that it won't release any signal .
    Chris
     
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  6. cosmicblue

    cosmicblue Active Member TeamMisano Audi RS4

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    Our local 'Officer Dibble' was handing out the Faraday bags for free (we had two) - I've tried my mobile in it and it defo works. The RS4's keys live in it. I didn't think for a moment that they would be £33.

    I'll be joining the Ghost club in January when Ghost II comes out with Android compatibility.
     
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  7. rapport25

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    I have heard glowing reports about the Ghost, but a few things concern me.

    If my house was to get broken into & they couldn't start the car. Not sure I would like the thought of them coming back in & threatening/ hurting my family for the code. I would sooner they take the car.

    I have heard that the hitech thiefs can bypass the Ghost via the OBD. This is from a friend that has a few expensive cars & is very OCD about security.

    Rappy
     
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  8. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    You don't need the bags though as auto open doors can be disabled at least in the B9.

    TX.

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  9. cosmicblue

    cosmicblue Active Member TeamMisano Audi RS4

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    The best defence is to keep the desirable object out of public gaze, Ghost is just for those times when one is out and hoping to find the car in the same place you left it.

    My RS lives in the garage with an electric radiator on a time switch for company....ahhhh! Actually the heating is there to help with moisture levels rather than keeping the beast comfy..:thumbs up:
     
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  10. cosmicblue

    cosmicblue Active Member TeamMisano Audi RS4

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    I was under the impression that these sniffer programs that crims are using could interrogate the keys for the frequency of the remote door locks and the engine ECU transponder data key. Ghost prevents the car being started - even if the crim has obtained the vehicle key.
     
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  11. rapport25

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    In the past, I have had trackers & various security. Toad, Clifford, Cobra etc...

    Even with hitech security, I have been the victim of theft twice.

    First car was seen being towed away, which had a tracker. Cobra & Clifford installed. Car was never recovered.

    Second car was recovered, but was a write off due to the damage the joy riders had caused.

    My friend has gone back to mechanical steering locks.

    Rappy.
     
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    Only if keyless is enabled. That is my understanding.

    Rappy
     
  14. Chris518

    Chris518 Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4 quattro

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    Not necessarily so . My ghost system actually let's the engine start but it locks the gearbox so unless the specific code is entered no gears can be selected. We all do what we do to protect our pride and joy but there is that nagging thought "have I done enough, what else can I do ". A few of us probably watched that tv programme about keyless car theft and I know it affected me when the BMW owner broke down in tears when he said because of the car he chose to drive put his family at risk. Sometimes I think just get rid buy something run of the mill , but no why should we
    Chris
     
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  15. cosmicblue

    cosmicblue Active Member TeamMisano Audi RS4

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    So in Rappy's scenario the crims could still tow that car away but would likely struggle to monetize their theft as a viable whole vehicle - breaking it up for spares would probably be their only option.
     
  16. Chris518

    Chris518 Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4 quattro

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    To be honest cosmic I persume that car theft for parts is the majority where some are just shipped out whole.
    Chris
     
  17. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    Doors won't open with a signal, needs a key press to open them.

    TX.

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  18. Evil Derboy

    Evil Derboy Well-Known Member Team Daytona Audi RS5 Owners Group

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    This is correct but by disabling keyless entry on the MMI, even if they have the code using a repeater the car will ignore it and won't open unless the unlock button on the key is pressed.

    Personally I use the faraday pouches. I like the keyless entry feature so have just gotten into the habit of putting my key in the pouch when I get home.
     
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  19. cosmicblue

    cosmicblue Active Member TeamMisano Audi RS4

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    I did read a while back that Audi were considering enhancing the key security so that the keys and vehicle knew of multiple potential unlock codes and never use the same code consecutively, it had to be that way because there are two keys in existence. Sounds like they have implemented it now. Thanks guys.
     
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  20. Evil Derboy

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    This has been the case for all cars that are unlocked with a fob for over a decade.
     
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  21. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    The keyless keys broadcast a signal 24/7 though which is why crooks can grab it. Is that signal always changing or is it static? As I say mine is turned off on the MMI.

    TX.

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  22. Evil Derboy

    Evil Derboy Well-Known Member Team Daytona Audi RS5 Owners Group

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    I believe that every time a data transaction between the key and the car takes place (i.e. unlock/lock/window open/boot open) a new random key-code is selected for use the next time. This stops someone grabbing the code and then using it again later but it doesnt stop a signal repeater forwarding the signal to the car from further away (which is the main problem at the moment obviously).
     
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