Audi (the rest ) and Brexit

Would you pay an additional EU Brexit tax on German cars?

  • Yes i would be happy to line EU pockets for the privilege

    Votes: 22 56.4%
  • No i would buy from another country outside the EU

    Votes: 17 43.6%

  • Total voters
    39

DaveW

Registered User
I voted remain, but accept the democratic process.

However, what I don't accept, is this excuse for a government making a complete **** up of the plans for this and we are literally days away from it happening.
 

Smileysam

Registered User
It's getting a bit political on here for s car forum but I would say that if you still believe that brexit is a good idea I hope you trade in your German brand car and bub a British brand.

And with clothes ditch the Adidas, puma etc and start wearing dunlop or something. And the electrical goods too if they exist.

And if you're ill don't accept treatment from foreigners see how that goes.
 

SMI77

Australia
A very wise person once told me a key factor to a good government is a good opposition.
I as an Aussie, am not happy with the Brexit saga, as UK & Oz being 2 major Audi markets for RHD, a decrease in UK Sales will probably be met with a rationalisation of models. In anticipation, thank you very much.
 

Terminator x

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It's getting a bit political on here for s car forum but I would say that if you still believe that brexit is a good idea I hope you trade in your German brand car and bub a British brand.

And with clothes ditch the Adidas, puma etc and start wearing dunlop or something. And the electrical goods too if they exist.

And if you're ill don't accept treatment from foreigners see how that goes.
You don't have to hate Europe and their cars if you don't like the EU. They are different remember.

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holly35

Registered User
You have to laugh at the Junkers ,Tusks and Merkels in Europe.Tusk asks if there is a special place in Hell for the Brexiteers when it was EU policies that caused it in the first place.Immigration policies across the EU and further caused such anger due to countries being swamped with illegal immigrants which had to be housed etc when countries struggle to support their own.I believe the cause of Brexit was born in the EU.Ill never buy an EU car again after seeing the way things are unfolding .......unless were free of their laws and hold....and there is a good trade agreement world wide not within Europe.
 
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Terminator x

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You have to laugh at the Junkers ,Tusks and Merkels in Europe.Tusk asks if there is a special place in Hell for the Brexiteers when it was EU policies that caused it in the first place.Immigration policies across the EU and further caused such anger due to countries being swamped with illegal immigrants which had to be housed etc when countries struggle to support their own.I believe the cause of Brexit was born in the EU.Ill never buy an EU car again after seeing the way things are unfolding .......
As above though Holly a German car is not the EU …

TX.
 

holly35

Registered User
As above though Holly a German car is not the EU …

TX.
Yes i know,however it would bring me some satisfaction knowing my moneys not going to Europe.
 

holly35

Registered User
The whole sorry affair is just an excuse to charge you more for nothing in return.
 

A4B9

Registered User
I voted remain, but accept the democratic process.

However, what I don't accept, is this excuse for a government making a complete **** up of the plans for this and we are literally days away from it happening.
I don’t accept this argument, democracy didn’t stop after the referendum.

For a start it was an advisory referendum, second government took the instruction from the public and have tried to follow it but it’s clear for everyone that leaving the EU will harm the country.

We now know what’s on the table so why not take it back to the public if parliament can’t agree on how to proceed?

Tusk asks if there is a special place in Hell for the Brexiteers when it was EU policies that caused it in the first place.
It’s not Tusk or the EU’s fault that the charlatans who campaigned to leave had no plan on how to actually leave the EU.

There is a special place in hell for them, especially if lives are lost because of it.

The whole sorry affair is just an excuse to charge you more for nothing in return.
No, it’s to do with the fact that any goods coming from the EU will attract tariffs if we have no deal and Audi will pass that onto the consumer. Why should a German company absorb extra costs because of your ill informed decision to leave?
 

maui

Registered User
I've already seen the medicine impact first hand. Had to get some eye drops for a fairly serious infection and they were delayed in coming into the UK as a result of some issues related to the Brexit faff. No chemists in a 20 mile range had them so I had to go to the hospital to specifically get them... And that's just eye drops!

Mentioned this to the wife, she works in a hospital pharmacy and said that it’s nothing to do with Brexit but there’s a particular manufacturer which has a global manufacturing problem!


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Terminator x

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Mentioned this to the wife, she works in a hospital pharmacy and said that it’s nothing to do with Brexit but there’s a particular manufacturer which has a global manufacturing problem!


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Facts are unhelpful when discussing brexit ;)

As far as the 2016 Ref is concerned some seem to think it can be ignored despite the UK having a long and fantastic record of using and delivering on Refs with every one previously being adhered to.

"8 March 1973: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland sovereignty referendum on whether Northern Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom or join the Republic of Ireland (yes to remaining part of the UK)

5 June 1975: UK – Membership of the European Community referendum on whether the UK should stay in the European Community (yes)

1 March 1979: Scotland – Scottish devolution referendum on whether there should be a Scottish Assembly (40 per cent of the electorate had to vote yes in the referendum, although a small majority voted yes this was short of the 40 per cent threshold required to enact devolution)

1 March 1979: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a Welsh Assembly (no)

11 September 1997: Scotland – Scottish devolution referendums on whether there should be a Scottish Parliament and whether the Scottish Parliament should have tax varying powers (both referendums received a yes vote)

18 September 1997: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a National Assembly for Wales (yes)

7 May 1998: London – Greater London Authority referendum on whether there should be a Mayor of London and Greater London Authority (yes)

22 May 1998: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland Belfast Agreement referendum on the Good Friday Agreement (yes)

3 March 2011: Wales - Welsh devolution referendum on whether the National Assembly for Wales should gain the power to legislate on a wider range of matters (yes)

5 May 2011: UK – referendum on whether to change the voting system for electing MPs to the House of Commons from first past the post to the alternative vote (no, first past the post will continue to be used to elect MPs to the House of Commons)

18 September 2014: Scotland – referendum on whether Scotland should become an independent country (no, the electorate voted 55 per cent to 45 per cent in favour of Scotland remaining within the UK."

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holly35

Registered User
No, it’s to do with the fact that any goods coming from the EU will attract tariffs if we have no deal and Audi will pass that onto the consumer. Why should a German company absorb extra costs because of your ill informed decision to leave?[/QUOTE]
There is plenty of information ,be it informed or ill informed but since its all speculation as no one knows im happy to stick with my decision not to purchase a European car .So does (currently) more than 1/3 of the poll (be it small however it is on a dedicated German car enthusiasts forum) which is not insignificant.
 

WarwickBoy

Registered User
I’m diabetic and I’ve been stockpiling insulin because I have no confidence that when we crash out supplies will be unaffected. My wellbeing is on the line.


You can quote articles from Brexit supporting news outlets all day long mate, fact of the matter is if we have no deal, which is exactly what’s going to happen, any cars built in the UK will attract tariffs in the EU and any other countries we have no trade deals with so why would Honda keep making cars here when they can shift production to Japan to avoid said tariffs?

And the same will happen with Nissan in Sunderland sooner rather than later

The Japanese ambassador has said countless times that if Brexit makes it unprofitable for Japanese firms to operate in the UK they’ll go elsewhere

I also agree that any form of Brexit is net negative for UK car manufacturing and a no deal Brexit would pretty much destroy it.

In fact one of the few economists who supports Brexit Prof Patrick Minford on UK car industry said “You are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.”

I'm definitely with this Brexiteer on this one.

BREXIT COULD BOOST UK ECONOMY BY £135 BILLION, SAY TOP ECONOMISTS
https://www.economistsforfreetrade....uk-economy-by-135-billion-say-top-economists/

Only economic study showing benefits of Brexit debunked as 'doubly misleading'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...leading-eu-uk-trade-deal-tariff-a7691271.html
 

Daggerit

Registered User
Mentioned this to the wife, she works in a hospital pharmacy and said that it’s nothing to do with Brexit but there’s a particular manufacturer which has a global manufacturing problem!


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Always happy to be correctly informed! It’s just the information I was given at the time by the doctor who gave me the drops so I took his word for it since I had no other information.


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Jcbmally

Started with nothing & still have most of it left.
Facts are unhelpful when discussing brexit ;)

As far as the 2016 Ref is concerned some seem to think it can be ignored despite the UK having a long and fantastic record of using and delivering on Refs with every one previously being adhered to.

"8 March 1973: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland sovereignty referendum on whether Northern Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom or join the Republic of Ireland (yes to remaining part of the UK)

5 June 1975: UK – Membership of the European Community referendum on whether the UK should stay in the European Community (yes)

1 March 1979: Scotland – Scottish devolution referendum on whether there should be a Scottish Assembly (40 per cent of the electorate had to vote yes in the referendum, although a small majority voted yes this was short of the 40 per cent threshold required to enact devolution)

1 March 1979: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a Welsh Assembly (no)

11 September 1997: Scotland – Scottish devolution referendums on whether there should be a Scottish Parliament and whether the Scottish Parliament should have tax varying powers (both referendums received a yes vote)

18 September 1997: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a National Assembly for Wales (yes)

7 May 1998: London – Greater London Authority referendum on whether there should be a Mayor of London and Greater London Authority (yes)

22 May 1998: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland Belfast Agreement referendum on the Good Friday Agreement (yes)

3 March 2011: Wales - Welsh devolution referendum on whether the National Assembly for Wales should gain the power to legislate on a wider range of matters (yes)

5 May 2011: UK – referendum on whether to change the voting system for electing MPs to the House of Commons from first past the post to the alternative vote (no, first past the post will continue to be used to elect MPs to the House of Commons)

18 September 2014: Scotland – referendum on whether Scotland should become an independent country (no, the electorate voted 55 per cent to 45 per cent in favour of Scotland remaining within the UK."

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Interesting that @terminator x and how many of them were overturned because voters were not happy with the result !!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Brexit discussion will go on for years to come.
 

Pork

Registered User
Looking at a T-Roc for the SO yesterday and while sitting with the sales guy asked for clarification regarding placing a factory order now for a car to be supplied after Brexit.
After clarification from his manager the sales guy said there would be no 10% added tax and they stated that in writing on the quote.
 

SMI77

Australia
...The Brexit discussion will go on for years to come.
...which begs the question, which will go on longer, the discussion or the pain in the wallet?
 

WarwickBoy

Registered User
Can anyone clarify the situation on tariffs on cars in the event of a no deal Brexit. I understand that as widely reported today that "imports of cars from the EU will have a tariff of 10% applied", so that would apply to Audi. What will the tariff changes be for cars imported from outside the EU (e.g. from Japan)?
 

Terminator x

Registered User
Can anyone clarify the situation on tariffs on cars in the event of a no deal Brexit. I understand that as widely reported today that "imports of cars from the EU will have a tariff of 10% applied", so that would apply to Audi. What will the tariff changes be for cars imported from outside the EU (e.g. from Japan)?
Uk can choose to waive them afaik albeit would need to do the same for the rest of the world. Let's face it though, doesn't look like the MPs want us to leave so unlikely to happen now ...

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WarwickBoy

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Unknown our free trade agreement with Japan is via the EU......

Uk can choose to waive them afaik albeit would need to do the same for the rest of the world. Let's face it though, doesn't look like the MPs want us to leave so unlikely to happen now ...

Thanks guys. Given that MPs have now voted reject a no-deal Brexit under any circumstances, and for an article 50 extension I also think like terminator x think that no deal is very unlikely now. I accept that as B5NUT says we may end up with the EU trade agreement if the people end up voting to stay in the EU in a confirmation referendum (People's Vote) and remaining would probably be least damaging to the car industry, but I think this is more likely than no deal, but less likely now than Theresa May's deal or another deal being agreed (e.g. Norway+).
 

cosmicblue

Registered User
It's embarrassing to be British right now - only politicians would suggest that something that's been interwoven into every corner of life in the UK over a 40 year period could be undone in 3 years..it was never going to happen.
 

cuke2u

Registered User
The difference between the UK's trading industry and Greenland's, which only consists of fish processing (mainly shrimp and Greenland halibut); Oil, gold, niobium, tantalite, uranium, iron, and diamond mining; handicrafts, hides, skins, small shipyards, is vast though. The UK also is 5th in the GNP league whereas Greenland is 171St.

Greenland has some integration with the EU's internal market via association agreements because of its political relations with Denmark which it also receives a substantial subsidy from.

https://www.politico.eu/article/gre...rexit-eu-referendum-europe-vote-news-denmark/
 

Boosted_Six

Registered User
Britain is a terrible little hell hole thanks to the expression of free and open democratic processes, 17.5M awful low IQ biggots have ruined everything for ever, entirely.

I'm moving back to the shining EU paradise right away, first Stop:

France...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/top...is-as-anti-macron-protests-persist/vi-BBUSrG6
Um maybe not.

Definitely Spain then
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/c...omy-debt-eu-latest-european-commission-report
not totally sure

err Italy!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-recession-for-third-time-in-a-decade-economy
... ah not 100% sure about that one either

Sweden!... YES! Sweden!
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/
oh well

Ok Germany has to be perfect place
https://www.ft.com/content/c80188e4-2a77-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
crap.
 

SMI77

Australia
...or simply come to the best place on earth, complete with the revolving door for Prime Ministers!!!
 

WarwickBoy

Registered User
This topic was in the news last week, as reported here:

Car industry gloom as UK production falls further
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50240771

"The UK's automotive industry is closely integrated with European suppliers and markets. Many models rely on a stream of components imported from the EU. And eight out of 10 cars built in the UK are exported. UK car production fell by 3.8% in September because of political uncertainty at home and weaker overseas demand, says the industry's trade body. Fears over a possible no-deal Brexit dampened demand in the UK, while exports fell 3.4%, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said. Overall car output for the year to date plunged 15.6%, making it the weakest three quarters since 2011."

SMMT added that British carmakers had spent £500m on no-deal Brexit measures.

"Another bitterly disappointing month reflects domestic and international market contraction," said SMMT's chief executive Mike Hawes.

"Most worrying of all, though, is the continued threat of a 'no-deal' Brexit, something which has caused international investment to stall and cost UK operations hundreds of millions of pounds, money that would have better been spent in meeting the technological challenges facing the global industry."

There is however some hope
"However, a general election to be held on 12 December will determine future Brexit policy."

One possible outcome of the election is that a party promising a People Vote is either outright elected, or holds the balance of power in a hung parliament AND in that vote 'remain wins'. That is my hope. I appreciate there are some benefits of Brexit, but I don't think any form of Brexit as good for UK car manufacturing as the deal we already have (i.e. remain).
 

Tj 0785

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This topic was in the news last week, as reported here:

Car industry gloom as UK production falls further
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50240771

"The UK's automotive industry is closely integrated with European suppliers and markets. Many models rely on a stream of components imported from the EU. And eight out of 10 cars built in the UK are exported. UK car production fell by 3.8% in September because of political uncertainty at home and weaker overseas demand, says the industry's trade body. Fears over a possible no-deal Brexit dampened demand in the UK, while exports fell 3.4%, the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said. Overall car output for the year to date plunged 15.6%, making it the weakest three quarters since 2011."

SMMT added that British carmakers had spent £500m on no-deal Brexit measures.

"Another bitterly disappointing month reflects domestic and international market contraction," said SMMT's chief executive Mike Hawes.

"Most worrying of all, though, is the continued threat of a 'no-deal' Brexit, something which has caused international investment to stall and cost UK operations hundreds of millions of pounds, money that would have better been spent in meeting the technological challenges facing the global industry."

There is however some hope
"However, a general election to be held on 12 December will determine future Brexit policy."

One possible outcome of the election is that a party promising a People Vote is either outright elected, or holds the balance of power in a hung parliament AND in that vote 'remain wins'. That is my hope. I appreciate there are some benefits of Brexit, but I don't think any form of Brexit as good for UK car manufacturing as the deal we already have (i.e. remain).

I hope we leave and soon, fed up with
Of all this brexit crap, another vote and remain win than all the leavers will kick of demanding another vote again it will never end, leave won so should stick to it and move on and concentrate on the many other issues the country has like, the nhs, knife crime, poverty, immigration the country’s all ready a laughingstock just need to get it over with and move on
 

WarwickBoy

Registered User
More car investment/Brexit related news reported in AutoExpress today

Tesla Gigafactory Europe to be built in Germany, not UK, as Elon Musk blames Brexit uncertainty
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla...-in-germany-not-uk-as-elon-musk-blames-brexit

"Musk blamed Brexit uncertainty on why the UK wasn’t considered for the new site: “Brexit [uncertainty] made it too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,” Musk said.

Brexit might have something to do with Musk’s change of heart over the R&D centre, too. Back in 2014, he told Auto Express that he planned to build an R&D base in the UK. Those plans have since been shelved."

It is a common theme that Brexit is hurting the uk manufacturing sector. Perhaps the upcoming election is a chance to give politicians an update on how we feel about this is 2019. One possible outcome of the election is that a party promising a People Vote is either outright elected, or holds the balance of power in a hung parliament AND in that vote 'remain wins'. That is my hope. I appreciate there are some benefits of Brexit, but I don't think any form of Brexit as good for UK car manufacturing as the deal we already have (i.e. remain).

In terms of being fed up with Brexit, I'm in agreement with Tj0785 however thing that whatever happens, it won't be out of the news for a long time.
1) If we leave then there are up to 10 years of trade negotiations, with No Deal leading to the longest period.
2) If we have a 2nd referendum and remain, some on the leave side will continue to campaign.

I think in both scenarios there will be continued distraction from other issues like the NHS, knife crime, poverty, and immigration as Tj0875 suggests

My personal view is that option 2 will lead to less on-going Brexit noise, but who really knows.

We are probably a laughing stock internationally, I agree. If we do go for option 2 I think the international reaction will probably be "The Brits have finally come to their senses. Brexit was not a good idea". From overseas I think the vast majority view Brexit as the UK making the biggest foreign policy mistake in post-war history. However I may be wrong. Let's see what the election and subsequent period bring :)
 

WarwickBoy

Registered User
Thanks guys. Given that MPs have now voted reject a no-deal Brexit under any circumstances, and for an article 50 extension I also think like terminator x think that no deal is very unlikely now. I accept that as B5NUT says we may end up with the EU trade agreement if the people end up voting to stay in the EU in a confirmation referendum (People's Vote) and remaining would probably be least damaging to the car industry, but I think this is more likely than no deal, but less likely now than Theresa May's deal or another deal being agreed (e.g. Norway+).
Looks like No Deal may unfortunately be back as a possible outcome. Looks like the UK car industry is warning No Deal could threaten British factory jobs at Nissan.

I have an Audi and a British built Nissan Leaf. Both are great cars. Hoping that we avoid no deal and job losses in Sunderland.

Nissan: UK factory still under threat from no-deal Brexit https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528
 
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