Audi S3 - 0-60mph =3.77, 0-100mph = 8.92

These are impressive numbers for the S3. My previous RS3 ran consistent 4.2 0-60 (standard) and when mapped these were the best figures (but these figures are on Michelin Pilot Super Sport tyres which offered much greater traction), my Vbox confirmed the same figures, the average over 10 runs was closer to 3.9 to 60 and 9.0 to 100, wheelspin 2nd to 3rd was always an issue.



I can quite believe the S3 figures too, the MQB chassis is lighter and seems to offer big advantages in both FWD and AWD guises. I'm strangely tempted by an S3 with a cheeky remap as a daily driver based on those result.
 
MBK... I can believe that, they have a near identical power to weight ratio, a 355hp S3 should keep to the back end of a 400-410 RS3 (8P) 150kg or so lighter.
 


Ohhhh so close to the 11's, 2/100's of a second and it would have been there. On another day it will break into the 11.9's no probs. Weather was a bit warm today and it was running into a headwind.

12.01 is not a bad time though for a standard car and just a tuning box. It beats the 12.07 1/4m time revo set with their Golf R a few weeks ago I suppose.

Leo
 
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just run it with less than 10L in the tank and that sould do it
 
Excellent run! What were the weather conditions? My car seems to respond to cold weather very well.

Leo-83 said:


Ohhhh so close to the 11's, 2/100's of a second and it would have been there. On another day it will break into the 11.9's no probs. Weather was a bit warm today and it was running into a headwind.

12.01 is not a bad time though for a standard car and just a tuning box. It beats the 12.07 1/4m time revo set with their Golf R a few weeks ago I suppose.

Leo
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20c yesterday so a little too warm for my liking, much better when temps are under 10c and dry. The conditions were okay, it was launching okay, however, there was a strong headwind so I'm confident that later on in the year with colder temps and a little less wind, it will run a bit quicker.
 
I have never tuned my previous vehicles (never felt the need) but I know quite a bit about tuning in the GT-R world having run 2 R35s over the last 3.5 years with over 8k miles of track use. The S3 has a great chassis that is crying out for more power and as I do a lot of track days I have opted to put my name down for one of Andrew's devices.

I am however a little concerned on how well the engine will take to being run at high rpm and engine temps (better oil cooler really is needed) for elevated periods, I have a couple or three questions for Leo and or Andrew:

1) What kind of stress testing has been carried out with this TB fitted to a S3?
2) What is different about this tuning box over others that are also in the market place?
3) Does the box have any effect on the Comfort or Dynamic modes when using Driver Select?

I am off to Spa next month and will not be holding back on track so I hope you can understand my concerns WRT stressing the engine.
 
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Good questions but I guess the brakes will fade way before your engine suffers anyway
 
snowfree52 said:
Good questions but I guess the brakes will fade way before your engine suffers anyway
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You are quite correct, unfortunately I am already on my second set of discs at 4.5k as the OEM pads when used at the Ring left tram lines when they got hot. I did not manage to find decent high performance pads for the new S3 calipers in time, but I am currently looking to install the TTRS calipers with decent Pagid pads, just need to find pads to suit the rear.

Even at the Ring which is pretty kind to running temps I saw 130c on the engine oil quite often so based on my experience of Spa I guess that will rise another 5 to 10 degrees, not a good range for engine oil IMHO, hence the comment about a better/supplementary oil cooler.
 
Arcam said:
I have never tuned my previous vehicles (never felt the need) but I know quite a bit about tuning in the GT-R world having run 2 R35s over the last 3.5 years with over 8k miles of track use. The S3 has a great chassis that is crying out for more power and as I do a lot of track days I have opted to put my name down for one of Andrew's devices.

I am however a little concerned on how well the engine will take to being run at high rpm and engine temps (better oil cooler really is needed) for elevated periods, I have a couple or three questions for Leo and or Andrew:

1) What kind of stress testing has been carried out with this TB fitted to a S3?
2) What is different about this tuning box over others that are also in the market place?
3) Does the box have any effect on the Comfort or Dynamic modes when using Driver Select?

I am off to Spa next month and will not be holding back on track so I hope you can understand my concerns WRT stressing the engine.
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I can't answer for the manufacturer of the box but I would hazard a guess and say stress testing to the extremes probably has not been carried out, you have to remember, this is a tuning box, not a remap by a specialist tuning company. What I can say though is that in the short time I've had one of these boxes fitted, I have carried out extensive sprint testing, some 35-40 launches 0-100mph+ to date and around 5-6x up and down to the 155mph limiter (kicks in around 162-163 speedo)

One thing I will state though is that the standard intercooler is rubbish, after a couple of runs 0-120 or so, the times dipped a little each test, after 4 back to back runs, the 4th run was around a second slower in comparison to the 1st, so the car needs better cooling. The safeguards in the ECU are protecting the EGT temps by richening up the fuel mixture and thus inhibiting the performance by pulling out timing (As is the reason for the drop off in the performance figures the harder you push the car)

I have no idea how these differ from other tuning boxes available.

No, I have noticed no changes to driving characteristics, dynamic sport mode is still as sharp as ever. There has been no hiccups or farts, its just stock like but with a bit more punch.

If you buy a box and then run it at Spa, perhaps instead of selecting +3 for the boost, select +2, the car will have a harder time around a track than it does do 0-xxxmph testing with cool down periods inbetween. Still though, I would probably recommend an upgraded intercooler if you are wanting the best on track.

It does work, 12.01 on the 1/4m first attempt is not a bad effort (You have some GTR's running high 11's/low 12's at Crail for example)
 
maybe a better oil too

and better brakes :

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Leo-83 said:
I can't answer for the manufacturer of the box but I would hazard a guess and say stress testing to the extremes probably has not been carried out, you have to remember, this is a tuning box, not a remap by a specialist tuning company. What I can say though is that in the short time I've had one of these boxes fitted, I have carried out extensive sprint testing, some 35-40 launches 0-100mph+ to date and around 5-6x up and down to the 155mph limiter (kicks in around 162-163 speedo)

One thing I will state though is that the standard intercooler is rubbish, after a couple of runs 0-120 or so, the times dipped a little each test, after 4 back to back runs, the 4th run was around a second slower in comparison to the 1st, so the car needs better cooling. The safeguards in the ECU are protecting the EGT temps by richening up the fuel mixture and thus inhibiting the performance by pulling out timing (As is the reason for the drop off in the performance figures the harder you push the car)

I have no idea how these differ from other tuning boxes available.

No, I have noticed no changes to driving characteristics, dynamic sport mode is still as sharp as ever. There has been no hiccups or farts, its just stock like but with a bit more punch.

If you buy a box and then run it at Spa, perhaps instead of selecting +3 for the boost, select +2, the car will have a harder time around a track than it does do 0-xxxmph testing with cool down periods inbetween. Still though, I would probably recommend an upgraded intercooler if you are wanting the best on track.

It does work, 12.01 on the 1/4m first attempt is not a bad effort (You have some GTR's running high 11's/low 12's at Crail for example)
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Thanks for the reply Leo and your honestly, I guess it would be a really good test for the integrity of the tune to spend the day at full power mode. I understand what you are talking about regarding the GT-R's on the strip, heat soak does play a big factor but is rarely an issue on track.

So if I understand you correctly you are running "mode 3", is that the highest tune state possible with the map you have? With this type of turning (piggy back) I imagine that it works by subtracting info from the normal signals that make it to the ECU to "fool" it into providing more ignition/boost whilst keeping RPM and crank angle data as is, I can see that this will keep the TD1 flag at bay but will bypass the normal safeguards that are built into the ECU.

Having said all that the new torque and power curve look far nicer that OEM and I would imagine it drives really well, I was just concerned with hard track driving as you would be "on it" far more running against the red line for longer periods, back in GT-R world even with ECU re-programming the con rods are prone to twisting above 620Nm - 650Nm but only when the torque is generated at lowish RPM. From what I can see no one has really explored the limits of what this engine will take and I don’t want to be the first to explore the limit :)
 
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Arcam,

An increase of around 55-60hp will not see you push your engine too far so I wouldn't worry about exploring the limits with just a tuning box. You need to push into different turbo territories to do that I would imagine.

Yes you are correct, the tuning box fools the boost signal, reads lower at the ECU but it's not bypassing any ECU safeguards. If the EGT values get too hot, it will go into fuel dump mode the same way as it would with a remap. (Richening the lambda value thus decreasing performance) it will also pull out timing if the intakes are too hot. I can see this by doing back to back runs with the vbox, performance reducing each time. ECU is still in full authority, all it's doing is adapting to the lower boost signal and compensating within its own limits. That's my understanding anyway.
 
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Still wouldn't mind seeing a set of Vbox figures, for a non-Launch Control 0-100 mph if you've got the time please :)

I would like to see this specifically for a non-boosted acceleration from standstill (real world accelerating out of a junction).

Thanks :)
 
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Arcam,

An increase of around 55-60hp will not see you push your engine too far so I wouldn't worry about exploring the limits with just a tuning box. You need to push into different turbo territories to do that I would imagine.

Yes you are correct, the tuning box fools the boost signal, reads lower at the ECU but it's not bypassing any ECU safeguards. If the EGT values get too hot, it will go into fuel dump mode the same way as it would with a remap. (Richening the lambda value thus decreasing performance) it will also pull out timing if the intakes are too hot. I can see this by doing back to back runs with the vbox, performance reducing each time. ECU is still in full authority, all it's doing is adapting to the lower boost signal and compensating within its own limits. That's my understanding anyway.
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Nice one Leo, well answered, I would be interested to read what Andrew has to say on this as well as an over-boost situation could potentially go "unnoticed", sure there will be an elevated EGT and the knock sensor should still work fine but that may well be too late for the engine.

From what I understand there are a number of jumpers on this box one can select and you are using the most extreme combo, have you tried the lower combos as well and if so what are your impressions?
 
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Nice one Leo, well answered, I would be interested to read what Andrew has to say on this as well as an over-boost situation could potentially go "unnoticed", sure there will be an elevated EGT and the knock sensor should still work fine but that may well be too late for the engine.

From what I understand there are a number of jumpers on this box one can select and you are using the most extreme combo, have you tried the lower combos as well and if so what are your impressions?
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I didn't notice much difference between the settings to be honest, 1st map gave me a 9.06 0-100mph as did the 2nd thereabouts. 3rd map gave me an 8.92 0-100mph and haven't tried the 4th yet. Map 1&2 are same boost, map 3&4 are same boost, only differences between 1&2 and then again 3&4 are different cam profiles (to which I can't confirm/deny make the blindest bit of difference)

Map 1 though, less aggressive than Map 3 going by the 0-100mph numbers.

As to overboost, again, I believe this is protected within the VAG ECU's by going into a limp mode scenario. If the requested boost is too far away from the actual boost recorded, it puts the engine into limp mode.

Ben, I do have a 30-130 and 100-200 log I'll post the figures in a bit.

Veeeight, I did do a 0-60mph without launch and it was something like 5.2 if I remember correctly, this is a pointless test though as there is initial lag from idle 800rpm to boost at 3000+ rpm, this is taking a good second alone. In a non DSG car, you would at least be upping your revs to 3-4000 and then pulling away in first, not necessarily a launch as such but it's the way I would drive in a manual for a clean 1st gear getaway. I think what you are after is a 5-60 kind of time as it's really not a good test for a DSG car as you don't have the freedom of upping the revs in normal driving mode, you need to get it moving and then plant the throttle.
 
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Veeeight, I did do a 0-60mph without launch and it was something like 5.2 if I remember correctly, this is a pointless test though as there is initial lag from idle 800rpm to boost at 3000+ rpm, this is taking a good second alone. In a non DSG car, you would at least be upping your revs to 3-4000 and then pulling away in first, not necessarily a launch as such but it's the way I would drive in a manual for a clean 1st gear getaway. I think what you are after is a 5-60 kind of time as it's really not a good test for a DSG car as you don't have the freedom of upping the revs in normal driving mode, you need to get it moving and then plant the throttle.
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Agree with all that - apart from the bit that says it's not a good test ;) - It's what happens on the real road everyday!

Unfortunately, in a DSG car, you don't have the luxury of being able to build boost before you want to get out of the busy junction. So this is a downside of a DSG car and no-boost start from standstill. :(

That 1 second is an eternity when you have traffic bearing down upon you fast.

(As a sort-of workaround, I have found that you can keep the EPB switch pulled with your finger, build boost to around 2k rpm that way. However there is a slight delay (quarter of a second) after releasing the EPB switch and the car taking off, so as long as you account for this, it is a work-around).
 
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Agree with all that - apart from the bit that says it's not a good test ;) - It's what happens on the real road everyday!

Unfortunately, in a DSG car, you don't have the luxury of being able to build boost before you want to get out of the busy junction. So this is a downside of a DSG car and no-boost start from standstill. :(

That 1 second is an eternity when you have traffic bearing down upon you fast.

(As a sort-of workaround, I have found that you can keep the EPB switch pulled with your finger, build boost to around 2k rpm that way. However there is a slight delay (quarter of a second) after releasing the EPB switch and the car taking off, so as long as you account for this, it is a work-around).
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If you shift to Sport mode the idle RPM comes up and improves the response somewhat.
 
Ben, as requested, plots below from another run....

0-155mph limiter... (25.06secs) This was around 162 on the clocks



30-130mph... (14.12secs)



100-200kmh...(9.91secs)

 
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are impressive numbers, there is a video of speedometer accelerates from 0 to 155mph?
 
the video is the car stock? I see it too quickly accelerates to 154 in 25-26 seconds, my car does not do so quickly and I've seen videos on youtube either, so in approximately 50 seconds
 
Yes, the car is stock in that video, that was before tuning box. I'll have to post another one up of the tuned to compare.

Remember, the vbox timings are GPS figures, the video is speedo figures. So in the video, 154mph indicated is around 148mph GPS. I know that my speedo hit 162mph for example for that 0-155mph vbox plot.

What country are you in and what is your fuel quality and ambient temperatures like? We have it perfect here in the UK, Audi give us the full 300ps (South Africa, Australia etc about 275ps in comparison) and we have nice cool temperatures and good quality high octane fuel.
 
and the limiter is at 155mph? mine limited to 267km / h marker of 0-267 is approximate 50 seconds, 250km / h marker in 35-40 seconds will do it but this time away from your video, that car is very fast ...
 
No, the video did not hit the limiter, I run out of road and had to brake at that point.

My limiter kicks in at 162mph indicated which was the 155mph on the vbox. Converting that to km/h ~ 162mph = 261kmh
 
I'm from Spain and here use gasoline 98 Oct the temperature is somewhat more warm, in summer more than 30 ° and my car now has 3300km
 
Leo-83 said:
No, the video did not hit the limiter, I run out of road and had to brake at that point.

My limiter kicks in at 162mph indicated which was the 155mph on the vbox. Converting that to km/h ~ 162mph = 261kmh
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261 single marker? All the videos I've seen come to 266-267km / h
 
Yep, mine seemed to hit the limiter at the 162mph (261km/h) point. Not really too fussed about that as when a tuner does come along and offer a remap, the speed restriction will be removed.

My car I would estimate around 355bhp (360ps) Not been on a dyno no but would hazard a guess around this figure.
 
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Will you be trying that "stage 4" setting on the tuning box?
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I'll try it but I doubt it will make much difference as it's the same as map 1 to map 2 to which I can't say there was any difference. It's supposed to be a different cam profile map. Will give it a go though, I'll be back at the dragstrip at the end of the month.
 
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