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Anyone considered jumping ship to Porsche?

penetrator Sep 11, 2018

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  1. penetrator

    penetrator Well-Known Member

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    as the title says, I’m currently contemplating selling up the RS3 and having a look at Porsche, GT4 or Carrera T are doable I believe right now but the 991.2 GTS is calling but it’s currently out of reach lol

    Discuss.....
     
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  3. Phil3

    Phil3 Well-Known Member Team Nardo Audi RS3 Saloon

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    I’m not really in the know with Porsche’s but the GT4 in the right colours and spec looks a proper car... if it was doable for me, I think it be swaying that way for sure mate!
     
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    D0C Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team Panther Audi RS3 TTRS

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    GT4 is already a classic and I'd have one. You'll pay big but it should hold its value. Also had the Porsche itch for a while, but they're just so expensive. A 991 Carrera S was on the cards but I think even that would feels a touch slow next to my mapped TTRS.
     
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    I’ve thought about it. A Carrera isn’t really a competitor to the RS3 as it isn’t practical enough. I considered a Macan of some stripe, but you are paying a lot more in upfront and running costs so for me it didn’t really make sense.
     
  6. mangobay

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    I have had a few Porsches and frankly they are great, but obviously a totally different cost point. Major differences in my view are steerting and handling which are a cut above Audi/BMW in my experience.

    My RS3 is my newish-to-me daily and i am really enjoying it, in particular i LOVE the noise it makes. I am also very lucky enough to have a GT4 in the garage for weekends. In fact i sold an M4 and an older 997 Turbo to move to the RS3 + GT4 combo and as a pairing they keep me very happy. The GT4 is amazing, best car I have ever had and tough to beat if you like analogue/manual/nat asp driving. No quicker than the RS3 at all though, altho I suspect it would be around a track.
     
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  7. jungle650

    jungle650 Well-Known Member Team Daytona TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi RS3 quattro S tronic MQB Platform DSG

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    Thought long and hard about it a number of times over the past 4 years and it remains an itch. A big one. I am a massive Porsche fan.
    The new cars are great but I also love the older ones, just a shame they are such crazy prices these days. I keep kicking myself I didnt purchase one in the early 00’s

    I have to say the new 911.2 with the 3 litre turbo charged engine sounds way better than I thought it should or would. The 911.2 GTS steers really well and has plenty of low down poke with the new engine so a great drive point to point. Older cars with the N/A 3.8 engine do sound better but really have to be revved a lot harder to reach the torque. So the newer cars are much quicker in the real world and far more driveable on our roads in my opinion. They are however getting quite large, both in width and length!! The 997 shape is probably as large as a 911 should have got. The 984 911 vs the new 911.2 is tiny by comparison.

    Having been used to turbo cars for quite a few years now it would be a big change if moving back to a N/A motor. Ie GT4 Cayman. A mixed blessing some would say. So the GTS 911.2 would be top of my list..... Practicle-ish ....more on this at the end.

    On the car front over the last year or so I have attended some Cars and Coffee type events which started near me. These have been hosted at a very nice place ( some beautiful cars attended there across the year from all walks of life - everything a VW camper to a Bugatti Veyron) and its got me thinking long and hard about cars and what I want from mine. Also at what price point do you get best bang for buck. Its a wide open topic for sure !!


    Positives for the RS3 in my eyes are :

    I love the RS3, its a great modern car

    The engine is superb. A real character of the car with a lovely sound and a good low down torque figure which is easily useable. So drivability is great and even better for those with a stage 1 tune like you.

    I love driving through tunnels or down a high street with the valves open. It turns me into a big kid with a massive smile just about every time! You can also be discrete if you so wish by turning the valves off in Comfort mode.

    Engine revs out to the red line and doesnt feel like it runs out of steam. Many Turbo cars cant do this.

    Its practical - Very usable boot and 4-5 proper seats in a smallish footprint. (Which for me is a current must, seats not footprint )

    You Can park it anyway ( even though I dont !). Similar to a Golf its accepted in every situation from a car meet , high end hotel to Tescos!

    I enjoy the comfort and ability to change to dynamic mode at the flick of a button - mood dependent- Steering/ throttle response and suspension changes.

    I love the 4WD ability and all weather grip. Blooming important for the 6 months of the year where we have grey, miserable wet days!
    You will wave goodbye to every rear wheel drive car!

    Stock cars drive really well. Stage 1 RS3’s and beyond are another league in performance. The RS3 will humble many a sports car in a straight line even at stock levels. As noted above it will also humble on the twisties on a greasy wet winters day. All year round performance for sure.

    The RS3 makes the power it should , ie Audi are good with the numbers on this car ( at the rolling road event last year none of the older RS4's were anywhere close to 400+bhp. Most were 315-365bhp!!) Other manufactures also dont make power as they should, and especially true as cars get older and leggy.

    I love the tech ( things like adaptive cruise, lane assist, google maps , LED lights etc and on FL cars Virtual cockpit and Apple play ). Sit in an old car and it really is pure analogue in every sense of the phrase. ( This is good and bad )

    I love the stereo ( B&O is superb)

    I love the DSG gear box, and ability to drive in manual when mood suits. As much as I love a manual, the new double clutch boxes really are super quick.

    I love the pano roof - sun on the head

    I love the quality interior - its a nice place to sit, especially on a longer run.

    For its performance - Its cheap to run and maintain even by Audi standards

    Mods are pretty cheap - all things considered should you want to go down that route.

    It surprises so many people how quick it is and that I love that. I love the fact that its almost a sleeper performance wise. Its quicker than say a 997 911 C4S in stock form let alone a Stage 1 car like yours!


    Negatives:

    It does not tick the sports car itch. Its a quick hatch back, aka Hyper hatch but its no Sports car.

    Suspension / damping could be better for certain roads/ situations- this is improved with better aftermarket springs etc.

    Its so quick and capable that to really enjoy a spirited drive you are pushing silly speeds on most public roads. This however is the same for so many modern performance cars

    The seats although comfortable are not supportive enough on a truly spirited drive.

    It does not have the wow factor. Its a nice looking car, but not the wow factor. Which in some ways is a positive as only those in the ‘know’ tell it apart from a standard A3. Especially in a subtle colour combo. Hence why you can park it in most places.

    And thats about it


    The problem is for my next car I'm not sure I want a slower car nor an older car... aka old Porsche 911, BMW Z3M ( crazy money for 80/90's's cars as much as they pull on the heart strings for me ) also with older cars come the inevitable problems, rust, maintenance and ofcourse increasing service costs. Let alone reliability and of course modern safety etc.

    Thought long and hard about the new TT RS but to many people its still got that hairdressers image. ( a wrong one I think but its still has a certain stigma). Love the 911's and Caymans but would be a 5-10 year old car for the money I could spend. Not sure about M3'/4's and not sure either about the C63AmG's although they do have a lovely engine.

    Dont know if I want a proper sports car/ weekend toy or just a modern sleeper which can humble them all!

    A friends little Lotus Elise is a superb steer on a country road, but no good on a run, or from a practical perspective. It does however cover ground extremely quickly on a back road and does have a certain wow factor. It looks like a proper little sports car. Even my daughter said so!

    Before I changed from my S3 to the RS3 I thought about various cars like:

    Porsche 997 C4s - love these - decent phase 2 cars (2008-2010) are £45-£55k - prob too much money for what they really are. Slower and less torque than my old S3 let alone new RS3 though. 2+2 seating a bonus.

    Porsche Cayman S/R - love these, but once again looking at £40k+ for a used Facelift car (2012 onwards). Better steer than a 911 but only 2 seats and the snob factor of it not being a 911.

    Porsche Cayman GT4 - Commanding £75k+ for used examples ! Great cars. Two people I know that both came out of the GT4 and a Cayman GTS into 911.2 GT3 / GT3 RS both said the Cayman was 80-90% of their new 911’s at half or less of the cost !

    So after that long post... I guess Im saying you should go for what you want and can afford and the car that suits your current needs!!!

    For the time being I am lucky that a close family member has just bought a 911 Targa GTS ( waited over 9 months for it to arrive in March ) so in some small way I have been able scratch the itch this summer with a few outings and its been great fun.

    Just going to leave this here.... yum yum

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    Jungle
     
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  8. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    GT4 surely not affordable for same money as RS3?!

    TX.
     
  9. penetrator

    penetrator Well-Known Member

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    It sure what your saying or asking but with £14k deposit I can get a GT4 from main dealer for £320 a month over 2yrs and of that £14k your pretty much not going to lose hardly any any of it.
     
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  10. infernox

    infernox Well-Known Member Team Mythos Audi S3 S tronic

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    No because they aren't everyday hatchbacks/small saloons. I only use 1 car for everything and the RS3 is the best car to do it with a reasonable price and size. I park in multi-storey car parks everyday and big cars really struggle with it. The max size I would consider is a A5 Coupe/C Class coupe (So up to 4700mm length and 2050mm width) but really the A3/S3/RS3 Saloon is be the perfect size, just a shame how much smaller the RS3 boot space is compared to the A3/S3. The closest Porsche have is the Porsche Macan but I'm not looking to get an SUV at the moment. The Porsche Panamera is way too big for me. If I could get 2 cars, then I would definitely consider a Porsche though.
     
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    Fantastic reply mate.
    A good friend of mine has just got a new 911 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS in Crayon and it’s epic! Got it for £113k with 800miles on it. £30k deposit and £1k monthly.

    I’m more swayed by the Carrera T as it’s a newer car but the GT4 is a peach!
    Most Porsche’s are slower than the cars I’ve had recently including the RS3 stage1 but at the end of the day, Porsche lol.
     
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  13. jungle650

    jungle650 Well-Known Member Team Daytona TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi RS3 quattro S tronic MQB Platform DSG

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    @terminator x The 911 T and Cayman GT4 are defo in a different price bracket to the little Audi RS3. GT4 used are circa £75k +. A new 911 T is more once a few toys have been added.

    That said the little RS3 punches hard, and well above its price bracket as other have stated. I love mine for what it is and can do. Residuals will be interesting on the FL RS3 as it could well be the last of an era. The Porsche GT4 is holding value well and already marked as a future classic. Porsche T ... not sure, but amongst enthusiasts its already well regarded so I would have thought it would do well vs say a 911 C2S..

    Both Porsches are proper sports cars. The other thing many people miss about owning a Porsche, is the Porsche Owners club, dealer events and all of the drives that members organise. World wide !!

    I really miss that, and I wish Audi did more of it for RS owners.

    Porsche and a large majority of owners really do embrace the driving culture / ethos.

    Go get one @penetrator :friends:,I fail to see how you would be dissapointed with either Porker!

    Jungle
     
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  14. terminator x

    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    Er how can a £75k car cost just £320 p/m? Appreciate that very little if any depreciation, is that why so cheap p/m?

    TX.

    PS wtf is going on here, 10k miles and 5 previous owners ...

    https://www.pistonheads.com/classif...sche-cayman-coupe-3-8-gt4-2dr-2015-65/8812462
     
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  15. Phil3

    Phil3 Well-Known Member Team Nardo Audi RS3 Saloon

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    If they’re were... I think this would turn into the GT4 owners sections :tearsofjoy:
     
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    Was thinking about the 718 Cayman / S when I was looking at the Audi and think I should have investigated it a bit more than I did. Old man has a new 911 S and it’s some machine, the quality is next level...reeks of class lol...no brainier for me, get swapping that RS lol
     
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  17. D0C

    D0C Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team Panther Audi RS3 TTRS

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    I think Penetrator is saying with £14k down it would be £320pm over two years on some kind of PCP type deal. So over £21k for that term.

    @jungle650 don't rule out the TTRS because it's still perceived to be a hairdressers car. I get nothing but overwhelmingly positive comments on mine. It really does turn heads wherever I go. The interior is also a great place to be with the steering wheel a real highlight. It might not be a true sports car but for me it has just that little bit more wow factor than most cars on the road.
     
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    penetrator Well-Known Member

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    Residuals and it’s over only 2yrs, you don’t lose money on Porsche like you do on volume sales Marques like Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc which lose 10k in the 5 minutes it takes you drive away from the dealership.

    Bigger deposit upfront over shorter term on a car that keeps its value.
     
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    penetrator Well-Known Member

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    Can’t really say £21k over the term as that £14k deposit your pretty much guaranteed to have most of that in equity at the end unless you drive to Jupiter via the sun lol
     
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    There's a school of thought that the GT4s may start dropping in price if the new 718 GT4 sticks with 6cyls, which is looks like it may be, so they may become more reasonably priced in the next 12 months.
     
  21. D0C

    D0C Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team Panther Audi RS3 TTRS

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    While I mostly agree, I would say to still be careful if expecting most of the deposit back. I honestly think used car prices are way too high at the moment, especially so on Porsches and the like. Probably fuelled by cheap credit and a booming stock market, pension pots and house prices etc. If we get any kind of setback which is overdue, then the used car market/prices could get hit.
     
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  22. q5man

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    What a post jungle, you know your Porsche’s and most other things
     
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    Excellent. Not read such a great post in a while.

    Agree with many of your comments regarding what car after the RS3 etc.


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  24. Flowrider99

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    Any Porsche will be in a different class to any Audi. I have often thought about getting a Cayman S or a 997 Carrera S and will surely have one in my garage in the future.
     
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  25. Hal Adams

    Hal Adams Active Member Team Nardo VCDS Map User Audi RS3 Black Edition

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    In process of selling our Macan back to Porsche - at their request! Apparantly there is a shortage consequently only a loss of 18% over two years (it is low mileage with just under 6k miles). So in value, the Macan was a good bet, but in no way was it special. Just another VAG and no feel to it compared to the RS3. Hence the low mileage.

    Not sure how one can compare the traditional Porsches to the RS3 - they are a totally different car. A 911 or Cayman plus an RS3, yes, but instead of?
     
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    I use the RS3 at weekends, not every weekend thoe as we have other cars available, so in reality it just sits on the drive most of the time and my train of thought is if I’ve got an RS3 just sitting there and let’s be honest here it’s depreciating then why not just get something a lot more desirable, and special that’s worthy of being used occasionally and to top it off isn’t going to depreciate like a lead balloon, Porsche is something I’ve wanted for a long time but for some reason always felt like it was out of my reach without even enquiring about costs etc so I always stuck with BMW M cars and AMG and now a flirt with RS as there very affordable.
    RS3 is a great car but at the end of the day it’s a fast hatchback and it isn’t a worthy enough car to drive occasionally and just sit on the drive or in the garage, that’s where a Porsche comes in as you can justify it. All imho.
     
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    D0C Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team Panther Audi RS3 TTRS

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    Just a question... did you not think this before you bought the RS3?! ;)
     
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    Flowrider99 Active Member Audi S5

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    I hear what you are saying, i enjoy driving my S5 but when driving my Mercedes SL it feels much more of an occasion. The S5 beats the SL on performance and gadgets but the SL is just such a joy to sit in, despite being 10 years older.
     
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    Yep. I've got my eye on 911.1 Turbos at the moment. Resisting the temptation to chop the RS3 in and get one!
     
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    penetrator Well-Known Member

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    Yes mate, but as I said above I always thought that Porsche was out of the question and in honesty there’s the “willy waving” stigma that put me off too.
     
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    nice mate!!!
     
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    Drove this 3000 miles around Europe in June, finished up at the ring - utterly pointless car for the road, never again. Hard, loud, uncomfortable and not very fast, struggled to get 170 out of it - it took an age to get there. No mid range and only came alive over 6,500k, even then the power band was so narrow, it was a pain in the **** to keep there.

    However, on the track, totally different animal, sublime and like a second skin.

    100% not worth the money or even the hassle working your way up the dealers anal canal to obtain one.
     

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    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    My dream car is/was a GT3 then I drove one at Silverstone and it virtually bounced the fillings out of my mouth. RS version must be insane.

    TX.
     
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    D0C Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team Panther Audi RS3 TTRS

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    That engine though!
     
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    It’s a mental bit of kit. However it’s a track car pure and simple. Total waste of time on UK roads, there’s much more capable and powerful cars out there that are livable with.

    The 991.2 GT3RS doesn’t sound anywhere near as good as the 991.2 GT3 because of the titanium exhaust. And then you have another issue - I drove this around Bedford last year and got thrown off twice for breaching noise limits. Pointless again, even for the track this one for different reasons, it’s too loud!!
     

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    I’ve done about 5 track days in Porsche’s at Silverstone, driven the Gen1 GT3RS they have nearly every time and its fantastic. Have you driven a 991 Turbo S? Another pointless car, just too fast and unusable! Damn thing nearly had me off the road several times. It’s just a point, hold on and brake hard for a bend car.
     

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    Just as well I can’t afford one then lol

    TBF the 991.2 GT3 would be my car if money was no issue, but I think the GTS is the best car and most rounded 911 in the range but it’s just out of my range as of now.
    I’ve had the pleasure of spending time in the latest version and that 3.0 turbo engine is a bloody good one, doesn’t Howel and scream like the GT3 but sounds good nonetheless

    Had a quote yesterday on Carrera T 2018 with 2,138 miles
    £25k deposit
    36 term
    5k mileage
    £500 pcm

    If I put £25k into a GTS it’s around £1k a month so big difference,
     
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    Turbo S doesn’t appeal to me at all, sounds terrible IMO
     
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    I just think they’re over priced now. Great if you’re already in one as the residuals are fantastic.

    I guess it depends on what your situation is. You won’t go wrong with a GTS though, very strong, again though, very expensive!
     
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    terminator x Well-Known Member Team Nardo Team V6 Audi RS4

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    Mate of mine has the original (996?) GT3. Awesome car as he took me out in it on a few Porsche track days. At one of them another chap had the original GT2 with the rivitted arches etc now that was one extreme machine!

    TX.

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    No doubting there expensive but the fear of losing bloody thousands in depreciation isn’t there unlike M, RS, AMG etc so the big deposits don’t just disappear overnight you will have a very good chunk in equity.

    I’m going to view a Carrera T and a GTS at the start of next week, I’m fairly excited about it lol.
     
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    Interested to hear your thoughts, and if you get it! Good luck!
     
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