Anybody driven a3 3.2 V6?

Can't wait mate :)

If its dry we are going to have so much fun, I think if I can learn to drive between now and then we will be a dead heat. You just won't have to work so hard :p

Its the Indy circuit so only 5 turns and two straights, shouldn't take long to get down. Open pitlane too so we can get on at the same time. Be prepared to only see the front of Prawns car as he laps you, I am your competition for the day. Haha

Not only that, I am looking forward to meeting you. You might be a little shocked when you meet me, most people are ;)

Reesy, Megane Trophy. 8:08 BTG as a standard road car fresh out the box an unmodified. I've driven one, and they are unbelievable. A 4/5 year old Renault Megane R26R would DESTROY 99% of S3's on track or road, and they're FWD.

Clarkson can't drive for toffee, a funny man and a great entertainer. A good driver? Nahh.
 
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16Klappe said:
But both of those cars have more than the 300bhp figure I am saying haldex is of little benefit under, and would NOT have been the production Haldex in an S3. So yeah, as with the A3 with modification and improvement it can.be.a.very good system. :friends:
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My point was that the Haldex has been shown to work on tracks,and quite well if I remember,but for sure,the only place to deal with arguments or debates about "who's car is the fastest" etc,is as you say,on the track,for those that want to indulge in that.
 
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16Klappe said:
Can't wait mate :)

If its dry we are going to have so much fun, I think if I can learn to drive between now and then we will be a dead heat. You just won't have to work so hard :p

Its the Indy circuit so only 5 turns and two straights, shouldn't take long to get down. Open pitlane too so we can get on at the same time. Be prepared to only see the front of Prawns car as he laps you, I am your competition for the day.

Not only that, I am looking forward to meeting you. You might be a little shocked when you meet me, most people are ;)

Reesy, Megane Trophy. 8:08 BTG as a standard road car fresh out the box an unmodified. I've driven one, and they are unbelievable. A Renault Megane R26R would DESTROY 99% of S3's on track or road, and they're FWD.

Clarkson can't drive for toffee, a funny man and a great entertainer. A good driver? Nahh.
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This is why I say that a few cars are the exception, and that Clarkson is a prat. My comment was just an observation that is pretty much correct. Specialist fwd cars, with lots spent on development (Focus RS, Hot Meganes etc) will break the mould, but they aren't your average FWD car, and you pay more for them..
 
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This is why I say that a few cars are the exception, and that Clarkson is a prat. My comment was just an observation that is pretty much correct. Specialist fwd cars, with lots spent on development (Focus RS, Hot Meganes etc) will break the mould, but they aren't your average FWD car, and you pay more for them..
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Having driven an R26R, a Megane Trophy and a Focus RS (three of the best FWD cars of all time?) I would HONESTLY say an A3 with LCR hubs isn't far off the mark handling wise. Yeah the varoknuckle and powerlink hubs are ****ing immense at maintaining castor and camber through cornering and you will NEVER be caught out or get an unexpected response, but the LCR hubs make an almighty difference. Still not as good as the aformentioned, but a monster improvement on standard lazy understeery crap people associate with the Mk4 chassis.

Have you ever been in a mapped LCR?
 
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Having driven an R26R, a Megane Trophy and a Focus RS (three of the best FWD cars of all time?) I would HONESTLY say an A3 with LCR hubs isn't far off the mark handling wise. Yeah the varoknuckle and powerlink hubs are ****ing immense at maintaining castor and camber through cornering and you will NEVER be caught out or get an unexpected response, but the LCR hubs make an almighty difference. Still not as good as the aformentioned, but a monster improvement on standard lazy understeery crap people associate with the Mk4 chassis.

Have you ever been in a mapped LCR?
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No
 
16Klappe said:
Haha Prawn is going to LOVE that.

His car has cost him well over 10k and is a serious piece of kit, if you spent a grand on a track car and wondered why it was **** then more fool you.
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Why not compare his 10k invst to tufftys 10k investment, fair?
 
finesse said:
Why not compare his 10k invst to tufftys 10k investment, fair?
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As Westy says really, to spend 10k on an A3 there is very little you can do to make it PROPERLY mental quick because you would only ever run 300/350bhp even with an LSD. That would be pretty devistating still though.

For £10,000 I don't think you could BUILD a more complete track car. You could buy something already done that might be quicker, but what's the fun in that? But if I offered Nick 10 grand for his Audi and 20 grand for his Mini I don't think I would buy them.

For all of your bashing of Prawn not many of you know him, or that he has been racing cars to a great standard for almost 20 years and has one of the tidiest Mini's going. I sound like I am bumming the **** out of him, but he is actually very modest and gets knocked down by people who don't know him.
 
16Klappe said:
For £10,000 I don't think you could BUILD a more complete track car. You could buy something already done that might be quicker, but what's the fun in that? But if I offered Nick 10 grand for his Audi and 20 grand for his Mini I don't think I would buy them.
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All the joking and winding you up aside, this I do actually disagree with quite strongly.

I guarantee I could spend £10k and build a car that would smash the granny out of an A3, and thats not a joke, it could easily be done. In fact, I reckon I could have a fair bit of change too.

....i'm almost tempted to try it too.
 
Locost/Seven or similar would be pretty easy to build for less than 10k i'd imagine.

Even sticking with a tin top though, i'd imagine it could be done with ease.

If sticking FWD then a much lighter car would be a better starting point (205/106/Corsa/Polo/Ibiza/Fiesta etc) Similar power, similar development work, and you should easily end up with a faster car.

If opening the field then 10k into a Scooby or Evo would make a seriously competitive car, and there are some RWD options that shouldnt be overlooked either.

I'm not doubting Prawns car is quick and well sorted. But its certainly not the only way to build a competitive car, and i'm sure nick would happily admit that. Infact wasnt he having a burn up with that other blokes Volvo at a recent track day and found them to be a pretty close match.

You need to remember that most cars you see at track days and even the ring, arent track cars. They havent had track development and track specific mods. 90% of them will be standard modified road cars the owners taken for a blast on track, espeically at "open" days like the ADI session.
 
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beanoir said:
All the joking and winding you up aside, this I do actually disagree with quite strongly.

I guarantee I could spend £10k and build a car that would smash the granny out of an A3, and thats not a joke, it could easily be done. In fact, I reckon I could have a fair bit of change too.

....i'm almost tempted to try it too.
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Give it a go, the thing that makes Nicks car so good is that drives to the Ring in it a couple of times a year, he drives it to track days all year round, he drives it to work as often as he can, he takes it back home for his dad to drive it (which is a 200+ mile trip in itself) and generally abuses it as much as he can and it is totally reliable. Don't underestimate the standard of Prawns car, I did but now I've been in it and tried to match it myself and it's just been built really well.

You're commenting that you could do better for what it cost, but you've not even the car or full spec list to understand the work that's gone into it. So how can you be sure? Trust me, it really is something special and nothing has been overlooked (apart from it's lack of power!:p). It's not a 205 with a GTI6 engine and an OMP cage in the boot, which would no doubt be as quick as Prawns car. But I am talking about the complete package, Nicks car is built now and as it is I don't think it would need any more maintenance than he gave it when it was a road car. He can turn up, embarrass a LOT of cars and then drive off with no breakages, dramas or massive running costs.

My car is exactly how Prawns was a year ago (with 20K less and cheaper wheels), and having driven his pretty much daily all but 18 months ago I cannot believe how different it is to the way it was/my car is. It's like driving a different car.

Oh, and ref' Andy's Volvo.

It's his sick as **** skills that make him so quick -

 
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Sorry jardo, but I think this ones come to an end. I agree with Nick and Kev at this point.

I didn't set out to "build an a3 track car" and I'm certain a quicker car could be built on sub £10k, I started out with an a3 that I loved, that was of huge sentimental value to myself and my family for various reasons, and we wanted to see what was possible to achieve, it's different and something I've not seen done before, it makes people look twice, and certainly gets people talking on trackdays, much like Andys Volvo track car.

I do disagree with Nicks comment though that it won't ever be a decent track car, I dont understand why it can't be, or why it isn't already? Based purely on laptimes it would appear to be fairly capable already....
 
Thanks for the compliments though :) at the end of the day, we like it, and that's all that really matters :)
 
Meh, I see it as a complete package bearing in mind all the wheels and tires you have and the spares etc etc.

For it's market value if you WERE to sell IT (£5000?) I don't think you could get better, I might have worded what I meant wrong.
 
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I do disagree with Nicks comment though that it won't ever be a decent track car, I dont understand why it can't be, or why it isn't already? Based purely on laptimes it would appear to be fairly capable already....
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You're right, apologies, any car can be a track car, that may have been a bit of a throw away comment from me. Like i've said all along I never take away anybody's desire to do what they want even it's not what i'd do.

This is quite an interesting debate though...the "what track car would you build for £10k" Almost warrants a new thread somewhere in the general motoring section.

I was thinking something like a Mk1 MX-5. Cheap as chips to buy although I already have one, and the ability to make those things handle well for very little money and make them fast, for very little money is tempting, coupled with the fact you already have a pretty light perfectly balanced car to start with. Stripped out weight of around 800-850kg. Stick a blower or turbo on for a couple of grand gets you easily north of 200bhp, 250bhp more if you add a few more trinkets... I dunno just a thought really.
 
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For me I would try my hardest to replicate a time attack style Imprezza.

10 grand can buy you a LOT of power with the way the economic climate is going.



Or a 1.8t Elise.
 
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I think why threads like this get heated is because we all love our cars, if its a 1k a3 to a 35k s3 the fact remains its ours and we are all Audi lovers or would not be on the site....:wub: ......
 
Just as a footnote to an enjoyable thread that went amusingly off topic, I've bought an S3!!!! Although I'm not intending to go near a track so no races J.....
 
Good call on going for the S3. I wouldn't discount going to the track is a good place to learn what your car can do in a safe environment
and whats more loads of FUN :yes:
 
slowcoach3 said:
Just as a footnote to an enjoyable thread that went amusingly off topic, I've bought an S3!!!! Although I'm not intending to go near a track so no races J.....
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Oh yey! Good work buddy, when are you coming to show me?

Pics or it didnt happen...
 
Interesting how the A3 Mafia cry and moan when their faster than anything ( Porsche, RS4, Evo, insert as appropriate) A3 gets criticism
 
If anybody with an S3 or reading this thread in general has been convinced of the far faster, more sex appeal, better built A3 mine is in classifieds needing to go..........
Thanks for the props on buying the S3, I get it home sat night so I shall be furiously polishing on sunday then posting pictures!! Then may start a smallish build thread as I dislike the old lights and happen to have some facelift rears siiting on the drive on the A3.....
 
DenCar said:
My A3 has instant throttle response and, Turbo spins up at just over 2000 rpm.

DC
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if you think an a3 has instant throttle response then you've never driven a high powered NA engine, the turbo on an s3 has input from 1800 rpm and comes in at full power around 2500


lol - the s3 boys won, he bought an s3............ a3 0 - s3 1
 
Lol @ how far this thread has come. I think everybody has given up... For now.

Also what does FKN mean, is it a acronym for 'f****ng know nort'
 
finesse said:
Interesting how the A3 Mafia cry and moan when their faster than anything ( Porsche, RS4, Evo, insert as appropriate) A3 gets criticism
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read the thread. the argument is over, everyone is friends again, so stop trying to cause trouble and pipe down.
 
I had an A3 before my S3 and the A3 was **** by comparison.

Discuss.









Only joking!!!! These threads are the reason I frequent this forum :)
 
colicabcadam said:
if you think an a3 has instant throttle response then you've never driven a high powered NA engine, the turbo on an s3 has input from 1800 rpm and comes in at full power around 2500


lol - the s3 boys won, he bought an s3............ a3 0 - s3 1
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I'd say it's 1-1, seeing as he already had an A3 first :p

Lets all smile and be friendly and close this thread before it gets angry again.
 
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