Any opinions of AMD in Essex for remapping my S3?

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scottydouk

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Need to get my 2000 plate S3 stage 2 remap. Any opinions of AMD in Essex?
Currently has stage 1 map, but dont know where was done, I have now fitted sveral modifications so be good to be have it checked and tweeked fueling etc.
 

A3AH

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Where's the stage 1 map from?

I would take my car to either badger5 or R tech, regardless of where I live.

I live in Essex and will be visiting one of these two.

Nothing wrong with AmD though.
 

Broken Byzan

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Nothing wrong with them, but take any RR results with a pinch of salt, the gains will be real, but the headline figures, may well be subject to dyno lottery...
 

Westy

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From what I've heard AMD are a bit prehistoric. You're better off making the journey to Badger 5 or R-Tech as those guys are the front runners in 1.8T VAG tuning plus thy both offer great customer service.
 

Jason.s

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Rtech and the figures in his sig says it all really :wub:
 

16Klappe

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R tech for the win.

AMD's inability to setup a rolling road accurately has always made me dubious of their competence with an OBD port.
 

@udi A3

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Have any of you tried Perfect Touch? Near hoddesdon, herts/essex boarder
 
AmD has changed hands many times since it was two blokes (Geoff Everett who did the techie stuff and Mike Devine) in the village garage in Islip in the early 90's. They remapped my old Ibiza in 1997 and they were the Badger 5 of their day. Since then it's only been downhill....
 

Westy

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Have any of you tried Perfect Touch? Near hoddesdon, herts/essex boarder

I used to live near Hoddesdon and I have heard of Perfect Touch and know they are very good as suspension setups but didn't know they did mappings. Personally I'd still stick with B5 or R-Tech. I've had maps from both of them now and they are both friendly and very knowledgeable companies. Well worth the journey.

I learnt the hard way when I first bought my S3 and got a generic stage 1 map loaded by a smallish company that's now gone bust. Anyway, it was a very lean map which resulted in a cracked Turbo, manifold, and head (between the valves). Stick with B5 or R-Tech and you can't go wrong.
 

jojo

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AMD's inability to setup a rolling road accurately has always made me dubious of their competence with an OBD port.

Where's the proof or facts Jardo? Or is this a personal opinion again?!
 

16Klappe

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Where's the proof or facts Jardo? Or is this a personal opinion again?!

Nope, historically speaking AMD have been unable to give an accurate rolling road since day one. Prawns car made 15bhp more at AMD only few weeks after being on Bills rollers.

I saw Niki once offer AMD up, he said he would pay all costs involved for Mylo to drive his Leon to AMD and have it mapped and dyno'd then for Mylo to drive the LC back go him for him to RR it on his rollers and on DynoDaze next door and then re-map it himself.

My G/S division is proven to be more accurate than their dyno...Unless the air is just better down there?

I have seen logs of their maps, and they are very aggressive. They probably feel great on the road but they don't have the sticking power top end because they use all the boost to make the torque and seem to leave nothing top end, I wouldn't want them doing a custom stage 2 map on my car from what I have read, seen and heard.
 

Prawn

My other car is a MINI!!!!
Proof of what JoJo? I know of a few AMD '300bhp' cars that have gone to R-tech and rolled 270's, and I've heard of a few lean maps with ultra high EGT's floating around. ''All the boost'' jobs.

I'm sure they'll do an OK job, but B5 or R-tech would almost certainly do a considerably better job. I'd say it's worth the travel....
 

16Klappe

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I might make a trip to AMD; it will be worth the costs to have the worlds first 300bhp K03s.

Haha
 

Westy

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Is this AMD's inability to configure a rolling road or just the fact the RR isn't very good. Like I said above, they are a bit prehistoric and aren't exactly cutting edge with their equipment or methods.
 

16Klappe

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Is this AMD's inability to configure a rolling road or just the fact the RR isn't very good. Like I said above, they are a bit prehistoric and aren't exactly cutting edge with their equipment or methods.

They have just put in a "state of the art" 1000bhp rolling road (probably to cope with all those stage 2 K04's) and every report I have read is that it over reads too.

As you know a dyno will give the figures the operator asks it to; manipulate your figures and your customers leave very happy.
 

Westy

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They have just put in a "state of the art" 1000bhp rolling road (probably to cope with all those stage 2 K04's) and every report I have read is that it over reads too.

As you know a dyno will give the figures the operator asks it to; manipulate your figures and your customers leave very happy.

That's the thing. If their customers go away happy and they are still getting new and returning customers then who cares?! If you want an accurate reading then you go elsewhere but we're not talking about the dyno readings are we? We're talking about the mapping.
 

16Klappe

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Apparently the mapping is very old school and often hit and miss. Lean, high boost and uncomfortable EGT's with minimal timing advance.

Pay your money take a chance, but like you I would rather go somewhere that I know I will leave knowing that the mapping is unquestionable.

If you're in the South East you have always got Ben at Parsons who might be able to help?
 

Prawn

My other car is a MINI!!!!
That's the thing. If their customers go away happy and they are still getting new and returning customers then who cares?

My worry here, is that customers may well go away very happy, but there's every chance that they could have a very hot and lean map with all the boost, that feels amazing, but is infact risky.

I'm not suggesting that all AMD maps are like that, simply pointing out that a happy customer does not always been job well done
 

Jason.s

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Maybe the touring car isnt the 300bhp that the others are and thats why its never a front runner lol.
 

Westy

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My worry here, is that customers may well go away very happy, but there's every chance that they could have a very hot and lean map with all the boost, that feels amazing, but is infact risky.

I'm not suggesting that all AMD maps are like that, simply pointing out that a happy customer does not always been job well done

That's what we're here for ;)

threads appear asking for advice and we all say B5 or R-Tech. If those reading these threads still choose another place to get mapped and they end up with issues we can wave the "I told you so" banners around. I've been one of those that ignored the advice when I had a generic stage 1 map (which you'd expect to be similar to most other generic maps) and now I preach to whoever will listen.
 

s3dave

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I think it is a little unfair slating businesses on forums to be fair.. you can of course have your recommendations but leave it at that??
 

Prawn

My other car is a MINI!!!!
I think it is a little unfair slating businesses on forums to be fair.. you can of course have your recommendations but leave it at that??

You think Dave? Would you not prefer to know if the place you were looking at did potentially sub standard work?

If someone posted up a thread, right now, saying how excited they were and they were about to order a CR hybrid, would you honestly not suggest they re-consider?
 

Westy

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You think Dave? Would you not prefer to know if the place you were looking at did potentially sub standard work?

If someone posted up a thread, right now, saying how excited they were and they were about to order a CR hybrid, would you honestly not suggest they re-consider?

In the same respect, I'm sure Dave wouldn't have brilliant things to say about the tuning company that his car went to recently but I don't think it would be classed as "slating" them.
 

s3dave

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You think Dave? Would you not prefer to know if the place you were looking at did potentially sub standard work?

If someone posted up a thread, right now, saying how excited they were and they were about to order a CR hybrid, would you honestly not suggest they re-consider?
Ive slated CR to there face and offered them a chance to explain on here and they said "not bothered about silly forums" esp when they told the mapper it was good for 300 bhp...no more..!!
 

JD09

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They mapped mine, plus fitted a 007p and a B5 TIP v1. Car showed 225bhp bang on through logging, pre map - showed 240 logging after. Not sure what the RR showed as just discounted that.

Car sounded awesome with the filter and TIP, so felt "faster" (placebo effect) but have since realised that a; they mapped it without checking the MAF/general health of the car (have since replaced and found the car to be a different animal, kicking 223.3g/s, although bang on 225bhp before map would suggest the MAF was knackered by them... not wanting to play the blame game!!) and b; they didn't put the old stuff in the boot, as requested (green panel filter, old TIP and standard DV)... Also took forever, having suggested it would only take 2 hours I was there for well over 4 with the car sat outside for the first hour. Easy to deal with people, but "personality experience" probably skewed by a legend of a Cupra R driver that I got chatting to :)

Minor complaints, but it all adds up. I'll be going to Bill, if there is a next time.
 

superkarl

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If we took a leaf out of the yanks book we'd use wheel figures and wouldnt have dynos that guess fly figures for jardo to 'know it all' about
 

jojo

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That's the thing. If their customers go away happy and they are still getting new and returning customers then who cares?! If you want an accurate reading then you go elsewhere but we're not talking about the dyno readings are we? We're talking about the mapping.

Waney, someone who understood the question from the OP and not going off tangent with their own beliefs and opinion!

That was the point I'm making fellow ASN members! The world does not revolve around two specific tuners who are at the top of their game. A Dyno is a lottery we all agree on, so get over it.
 

Prawn

My other car is a MINI!!!!
Waney, someone who understood the question from the OP and not going off tangent with their own beliefs and opinion!

Sorry Joe, I disagree totally.

I couldn't give a crap about the dyno figures, that was not my concern in this case:

My worry here, is that customers may well go away very happy, but there's every chance that they could have a very hot and lean map with all the boost, that feels amazing, but is infact risky.

I'm not suggesting that all AMD maps are like that, simply pointing out that a happy customer does not always been job well done


I've heard of a few lean maps with ultra high EGT's floating around. ''All the boost'' jobs.
 

16Klappe

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If we took a leaf out of the yanks book we'd use wheel figures and wouldnt have dynos that guess fly figures for jardo to 'know it all' about

Would it hurt you to not be a total ring piece for just one day?

You made your point months ago, and nobody cares how much you dislike me. So jog on and stop being a faggot every time I post anything because everyone is fed up with it. (Especially me)
 

JD09

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I do enjoy this love affair you two have. I'm always late to the party as don't come on much, but it reminds me of a bloke on ClioSport (yes, that site!) - knows his stuff like Jardo (?), but perhaps doesn't post it in the most amicable ways ;)
 
Hi

I was passed this thread by a happy customer of ours with an S3: "Hi there thought i should let you know that you are getting some stick on a forum witch i feel is ****** unfair.... he is a right little **** who causes trouble all the time http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/a3-s3-forum-8l-chassis/180182-any-opinions-amd-essex-remapping-my-s3.html#post1787793"

He asked to be anonymous before anyone asked.


As is always the case with these threads there are large generalisations and factually incorrect statements which could be very damaging to a business so it makes sense for me to reply. Unfortunately they are usually fuelled by freebies, etc given out by companies who need the help? Just my opinion.


Firstly, the usual "AmD's rolling road over reads" comments.

Our rolling road has considerably larger fans than both the rolling roads that are mentioned here. These are expensive but if air flow is not high enough then cars will read lower on a dyno. Our fan flow rate is at least twice the amount of these dynos from photos I have seen.

Our dyno is also used by other companies for TUV approval figures because it gives "consistent, accurate and repeatable" figures.

All rolling roads are different and will give different figures. When we map a car we give before and after graphs to show the gains made not the highest figure. High figures are all well and good but when I hear a car that is constantly promoted as being "the most powerful" etc then read that its engine has gone bang then I have to wonder on the merits of that process? Thats the same as car shows where they put an engine on a rig and run it flat out til it blows up? Makes lots of noise and creates alot of interest but ultimately a bit pointless?

We are not a one man band company but make a conscious effort to promote and provide a professional service and have been doing so for 20 years. I myself have been in the motor industry for over 35 years.

As to being "old fashioned"- this is obviously a matter of opinion but we spend, on average, £2k a month on new mapping tools and technology. I'm happy that AmDtuning.com stay ahead of our competition on this front.


It’s disappointing that "fanboys" of certain companies choose to slate and smear a company who does nothing but support the UK tuning industry by supporting shows, magazines, forums, club rolling road days and motorsport.


Anyway, that’s my opinion and as 80% of our customers are referred to us by existing customers, rather than internet trolls, so I am quite happy with the way we run AmD and our customers seem to agree.

Shaun Hollamby
AmDtuning.com
 
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