samcorbridge
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Hello everyone
I know there are a few of these threads already knocking around, so apologies for that. I have reviewed them and have a few more questions.
The car in question is a 2010 Audi A3 2.0T FSI (CCZA) with 47,300 miles on the odometer. I purchased the car on 8 June with 46,131 miles on it. The car has one previous owner, and was serviced at an Audi specialist in Manchester.
On Wednesday morning, I started the car to no avail. The starter motor was functioning fine, and the car was receiving power to the dash, stereo etc. After some research, I identified that it could be the timing chain tensioner that was the problem. Given the low mileage of this car, this is pretty disappointing. The car was running fine on Tuesday evening, and had recently completed a couple of trips between Bristol and Cheshire fine, with the oil level roughly the same as when I purchased it.
There was no noise or rattle from the engine while driving, and no loss of power or such. The car was stationary when this happened, and on a flat incline. There has been no spill of oil etc since. When turning the engine over, a small noise can be heard - initially I was convinced this is the piston hitting the cylinder head, but have been advised it may simply be the chain/tensioner assembly. The AA have been out and confirmed very little, that it is most likely the timing chain.
I contacted Audi UK who advised me any goodwill would be at the discretion of the local dealer. I contacted Audi Warrington who put me through to John, the technical service manager. I received two different messages from John, and the initial advisor.
Initially, I was advised there wasn't a chance of receiving any goodwill from Audi UK or Warrington, as the car had been serviced independently. Further, there would be a £1,200-1,500 charge for them to take the engine head off before they could put a case to Audi UK anyway. He advised that a new engine would be £8,500-10,000. He said to consider scrapping the car for ~£2,500.
John was slightly more optimistic, advising that if I could obtain receipts from previous owner/service garage that the correct oil and filters had been used a case could still be made. He advised he wouldn't usually expect the timing chain tensioner to go by 47,000 miles, but as neither of us knew the driving history of the car we couldn't be sure. He said that unfortunately I would still require them to disassemble the engine before contacting Audi UK.
An independent specialist (RGH Audi Knutsford) said that he would take the head off and see if it needed an overhaul for £300, then go from there. He would be able to then supply and fit a reconditioned engine if necessary (could be ~£4k inc. labour) or complete an overhaul (~£1.5k). I contacted the dealer and said I was happy to pay the inspection fee, and then would he make a contribution to the costs thereafter. He declined as he said he wasn't obliged to offer anything.
The dealer I brought the car from is saying that as it's a wear and tear item (I didn't think it was as it's a lifetime part in the service book) that it wouldn't be covered under the SOGA. They weren't prepared to offer anything other than the £500 claim limit for their warranty.. No garages in my locality will use the warranty company, but he didn't accept this. The impression I got from John at Audi is that had I owned the car from new and serviced it at Audi it would potentially be replaced by goodwill, as it isn't expected to have failed at that mileage.
My questions really are:
Is this part considered wear and tear? Should it be replaced/repaired under the Sale Of Goods Act?
I see the options as follows, which is best?
i) Scrap the car and cut losses.
ii) Go with Audi and hope for goodwill, unlikely
iii) Go with independent and have overhaul/recon engine
iv) Find somewhere that accepts the warranty company, and sell the car as soon as it is fixed
How will fitting a recon engine affect the saleability/value of the car?
I'm only 20 and don't have the disposable funds to be ploughing into this car if I'm not going to see any return. I accept that I'm going to make some loss. I think I got a reasonable deal on the car, and so would contribute £1-1.5k if the dealer would cover the rest, which I think is fair given what I see as the dealers obligation under the SOGA.
Any help or advice is offered. I've tried and failed to keep this concise, so if I've missed anything let me know. Your previous experiences are welcomed.
I know there are a few of these threads already knocking around, so apologies for that. I have reviewed them and have a few more questions.
The car in question is a 2010 Audi A3 2.0T FSI (CCZA) with 47,300 miles on the odometer. I purchased the car on 8 June with 46,131 miles on it. The car has one previous owner, and was serviced at an Audi specialist in Manchester.
On Wednesday morning, I started the car to no avail. The starter motor was functioning fine, and the car was receiving power to the dash, stereo etc. After some research, I identified that it could be the timing chain tensioner that was the problem. Given the low mileage of this car, this is pretty disappointing. The car was running fine on Tuesday evening, and had recently completed a couple of trips between Bristol and Cheshire fine, with the oil level roughly the same as when I purchased it.
There was no noise or rattle from the engine while driving, and no loss of power or such. The car was stationary when this happened, and on a flat incline. There has been no spill of oil etc since. When turning the engine over, a small noise can be heard - initially I was convinced this is the piston hitting the cylinder head, but have been advised it may simply be the chain/tensioner assembly. The AA have been out and confirmed very little, that it is most likely the timing chain.
I contacted Audi UK who advised me any goodwill would be at the discretion of the local dealer. I contacted Audi Warrington who put me through to John, the technical service manager. I received two different messages from John, and the initial advisor.
Initially, I was advised there wasn't a chance of receiving any goodwill from Audi UK or Warrington, as the car had been serviced independently. Further, there would be a £1,200-1,500 charge for them to take the engine head off before they could put a case to Audi UK anyway. He advised that a new engine would be £8,500-10,000. He said to consider scrapping the car for ~£2,500.
John was slightly more optimistic, advising that if I could obtain receipts from previous owner/service garage that the correct oil and filters had been used a case could still be made. He advised he wouldn't usually expect the timing chain tensioner to go by 47,000 miles, but as neither of us knew the driving history of the car we couldn't be sure. He said that unfortunately I would still require them to disassemble the engine before contacting Audi UK.
An independent specialist (RGH Audi Knutsford) said that he would take the head off and see if it needed an overhaul for £300, then go from there. He would be able to then supply and fit a reconditioned engine if necessary (could be ~£4k inc. labour) or complete an overhaul (~£1.5k). I contacted the dealer and said I was happy to pay the inspection fee, and then would he make a contribution to the costs thereafter. He declined as he said he wasn't obliged to offer anything.
The dealer I brought the car from is saying that as it's a wear and tear item (I didn't think it was as it's a lifetime part in the service book) that it wouldn't be covered under the SOGA. They weren't prepared to offer anything other than the £500 claim limit for their warranty.. No garages in my locality will use the warranty company, but he didn't accept this. The impression I got from John at Audi is that had I owned the car from new and serviced it at Audi it would potentially be replaced by goodwill, as it isn't expected to have failed at that mileage.
My questions really are:
Is this part considered wear and tear? Should it be replaced/repaired under the Sale Of Goods Act?
I see the options as follows, which is best?
i) Scrap the car and cut losses.
ii) Go with Audi and hope for goodwill, unlikely
iii) Go with independent and have overhaul/recon engine
iv) Find somewhere that accepts the warranty company, and sell the car as soon as it is fixed
How will fitting a recon engine affect the saleability/value of the car?
I'm only 20 and don't have the disposable funds to be ploughing into this car if I'm not going to see any return. I accept that I'm going to make some loss. I think I got a reasonable deal on the car, and so would contribute £1-1.5k if the dealer would cover the rest, which I think is fair given what I see as the dealers obligation under the SOGA.
Any help or advice is offered. I've tried and failed to keep this concise, so if I've missed anything let me know. Your previous experiences are welcomed.