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A very frustrating car to own

Urban Sports Mar 15, 2018

  1. Concerned Cat

    Concerned Cat Age & treachery will always overcome youth & skill Team Ibis Audi Avant Owner Group

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    Simon, as others have said, knock it into sport.
    Alternatively it can be disabled with VCDS. Where are you?
     
  2. TC18

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    I’ve just come from a 330i M Sport Auto. Can’t say I miss anything about it. It did look nice in its drug dealer spec but there was something about it that didn’t quite grab me.

    Funnily enough I actually prefer the auto gearbox so far in the A4 and I’m surprised about the performance with the 1.4 engine, I’m not left feeling like I need more. In the BMW I would need to put it into manual mode to feel the power. The BMW was a lot more ‘serious’.
     
  3. cuke2u

    cuke2u Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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  4. DohNut

    DohNut Active Member

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    You talk about a slow gearbox and a lack of connection between your foot and reaction of car. That’s dynamics in my book.

    Had 2 Audi’s previously (A3 and Q5) and both performed faultlessly in my ownership.
     
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  5. Nickfrog

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    Same, I am actually shocked by how good that engine is. A lot of it is down to its (relative) low weight I think.
     
  6. Urban Sports

    Urban Sports Active Member

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    Taken in isolation I wouldn’t call it car dynamics.

    Moot point anyway, I like the car but not the gearbox and a few of its other faults, it frustrates me because it’s a pretty competent machine.

    My guess is the the dual clutch days are numbered with the 8 speed being so good.
     
  7. Urban Sports

    Urban Sports Active Member

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    Anyway I think it’s a pretty interesting discussion, I often get asked, particularly in work, how it compares to the 3 series, my answer is never negative it’s just very different.

    I’ve been lucky enough to drive hundreds probably a couple of thousand of cars and both the F30 3 series and b9 A4 are both very accomplished if frustrating ;)
     
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  8. cuke2u

    cuke2u Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    The eight speed has been around a while with bmw before it was adoptedwith the S4, and possibly others, this being the latest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission . Many manufacturer are actually moving away from dsg gearboxes and returning to fully automatics as they have moved on a long way recently.
     
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  9. Urban Sports

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    I'm 100% convinced that my A4 would be a better car with the ZF8 gearbox, I find the S Tronic difficult to like.
     
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  10. Spaceman_RS3

    Spaceman_RS3 Well-Known Member Team Ibis Team Panther Audi RS3 Audi S4 Audi Avant Owner Group

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    The stronic in my rs3 was better than the 8speed for me I liked the way it was programmed better and more positive shifts.

    But then again the stronic in the rs3 is different from the a4 one different even from the s3 one.

    Bmw dct is very good. The zf in the s4 I fell is comparable to that of the m135i I had before the rS3 it’s soft like the m135i
     
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  11. Wakes

    Wakes New Member

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    I find the s4 gas pedal laggy too. Like watching a film with the voice out of sync. It's only by 20ms but it can ruin the experience.
    However, I'm learning to drive the car in manual with the paddles and it pretty much makes the issue go away in my opinion. So I'm pretty sure it would be a simple map change in the brains of the ecu?

    I'd be proper annoyed if I'd bought a smaller engined car though, so I feel for the chaps that have this issue outside of the s4 model.
     
  12. Smileysam

    Smileysam New Member

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    There's occasions where I put my foot down to pull out of a junction or overtake and the car just stays still so I have to abort the manoeuvre and put my foot on the brake.
     
  13. SimonAshley

    SimonAshley Active Member

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    Thanks for the info, thought it would be possible with VCDS but my laptop keeps dying at the moment and don't want to brick my new car!

    I'm near Canterbury, Kent
     
  14. cuke2u

    cuke2u Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    Better is a subjective element, obviously and I can't see how much better mine would be, having driven the series 3 bmw before I chose which car to purchase yes the gearbox was smoother but that's all and with the series 3 msport it was awful in so many other area's especially its unrefined crashy ride.
    My neighbour has only recently purchased one and everytime I look inside it I see a what looks more like a japanese or american attempt at a 'premium' interior, so much plastic....
     
  15. Urban Sports

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    Thankfully having owned 2 F30 3 series and covered 40k+ miles in them I can say that this review is far off the mark.

    :)
     
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  16. Concerned Cat

    Concerned Cat Age & treachery will always overcome youth & skill Team Ibis Audi Avant Owner Group

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    A bit far from West Yorkshire or I'd sort it for you!
     
  17. cuke2u

    cuke2u Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    This is a forum, believe it or not, thus it isn't a review, it is a opinion just like yours. I was so glad to get back into my own A3 saloon after driving three different series 3 BMW. If you think they are so good why did you change to an A4?
     
  18. SMI77

    SMI77 Australia Audi S4 Audi Avant Owner Group quattro

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  19. Urban Sports

    Urban Sports Active Member

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    You’re funny you even if you don’t know it.

    I changed because I can and I wanted to and I’m not a fanboi so thought I’d try something else.

    :)
     
  20. cuke2u

    cuke2u Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    Well we have something in common then...:icon thumright:
     
  21. Urban Sports

    Urban Sports Active Member

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    Yeah we both drive an A4.
     
  22. kmanmx

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    The amount of vitriol amongst people in here is embarrassing... it's like watching a petulant child who's had his dummy taken away.
     
  23. Urban Sports

    Urban Sports Active Member

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    Yeah it’s terrible.
     
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  24. SimonAshley

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    Thanks ms for the offer but I do have my own VCDS just an unreliable laptop!
     
  25. phope74

    phope74 Member Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Audi A4 Audi Avant Owner Group Black Edition s tronic

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    They all have their own strengths & weaknesses...my A4 Avant 1.4 S-Tronic 'feels' more light & nimble than my current company car, a 420d xDrive M Sport, but the 8 speed ZF is smoother, performed very well in the recent heavy snow but is a rougher engine than the petrol Audi.

    Both are on 19s, but the A4 feels smoother with non-run flat Continentals versus the run-flat Bridgestone on the 420d

    Interior wise, I'm undecided - the A4 feels more premium & modern, but the BMW is solidly built and the Connected services are ahead of Audi Connect - I can also jump into virtually any BMW and the controls are very similar across the range.

    The BMW Digital Dash is not as configurable as Virtual Cockpit, but is also less distracting.

    My new job lets me drive many different BMW. I kinda enjoy having the best of both worlds :D

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  26. Nickfrog

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    The BMW ergonomics are hard to beat. Seats in particular. They still insist on an overall tilt mechanism on Sport seats which is great and can't be found in the A4 unless I am mistaken.
     
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  27. phope74

    phope74 Member Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Audi A4 Audi Avant Owner Group Black Edition s tronic

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    Both have little frustrating things, like the BMW starter button is obscured from view by the steering wheel paddles/indicator stalks, and the light switches on both aren't as ergonomically accessible as my previous Golf Mk7...

    Auto high-beam seems to be more responsive on my A4 compared to the BMW...I've had a few people flash at me as it hasn't turned off in time, but the LED headlights on both are just fantastic

    Voice recognition on my 420d is top notch with natural language recognition seemingly working better than than on our A4

    The 340i I drove recently had seats that felt perched quite high up even at the lowest setting, but had excellent bolstering/side support...but I really prefer the leather/alcantara combo on my A4 for grippiness, speed of heating up and overall feel

    I could go on and on :D
     
  28. kmanmx

    kmanmx Member

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    This seems fitting...

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  29. Nickfrog

    Nickfrog Active Member

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    Brilliant!
     
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  30. Urban Sports

    Urban Sports Active Member

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    Those pesky Russians.
     
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  31. Paul Golding

    Paul Golding Active Member Team Brilliant Black TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 s tronic S-line owners group

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    Oh, that’s the kind of thing I thought it could do with......and it was there all the time :)

    Thanks for that peirreluigi88.
     
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  32. SMI77

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  33. Roberto71

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    I'm in a 430d GC at the moment and looking to change to an S4 next year. The ZF gearbox in the BM is indeed a peach. Just turn off engine start/stop and even in Eco Pro there is little lag and you can pull away easy from junctions. Easiset thing to do is just put it into Sport. It's a long button right beside the gear lever and you don't even have to look at it, one touch and it's in sport which disengages the start/stop and you blast away.

    I have a slight concern reading threads like this but not enough to stop me going ahead with my first Audi after having 6 BMWs in a row. I'll learn to adjust I expect.
     
  34. Urban Sports

    Urban Sports Active Member

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    Yep I was in a 330d before the Audi, superb power train.
     
  35. Gary_LB

    Gary_LB Active Member Team Manhattan Team V6 Audi S4 Black Edition quattro

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    With reference to the ZF auto specifically I had a 2015 and 2017 BMW with ZF auto before my S4 and the BMW certainly had a better box which was quicker to respond and less lag which I assume must be down to the software. Having said that I’ve found it easy enough to adapt to the Audi box with a little more throttle to avoid the lag.
     
  36. djjuk

    djjuk New Member Team Mythos TFSI Owners Group Audi A4 Audi Avant Owner Group S-line owners group

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    Same here. I came to my A4 from a F30 330D that I did 130K miles in and it had a much better box. The ZF really is miles ahead.

    That said, the Audi wins in many other areas and I am learning to adapt to the somewhat sluggish box.
     
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  37. Roberto71

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    Yeah, I have no doubt I'll adapt very quickly. Just have it in dynamic when pulling up to junctions or roundabouts.
     
  38. cuke2u

    cuke2u Well-Known Member TFSI Owners Group saloon Audi A4 S-line owners group

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    Or just pull back on the gear lever to put it into sport...
     
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  39. SRB93

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    S mode in any drive mode will suffice, better than faffing with the drive select. That or keep it in Dyanamic! :D
     
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  40. Aldi-Sport Chap

    Aldi-Sport Chap New Member

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    I agree with a lot on here but not everything. I came from a BMW F31 335d to my A4 and the difference is night and day. The S-tronic gearbox is OK, it's vastly smoother than the ZF but yes it's slower, especially when cold but the gear changes, they're just so smooth. It's not a racer it's a cruisy diesel and it excels. In the BMW I too was frustrated with the reversion to comfort, the lousy i-Drive where "back" rarely returned you to the previous page, the non automatic auto wipers, the useless sat-nav, the runflat noise, the runflat harshness, the runflat fear of not having a spare, the wind noise, the ***** headlights, the Tandy quality stereo (was it even stereo?), the oil leaks and everyone thinking you're a c**t cos you drive a BMW.

    Yes, the box is slow, I drove a manual Q2 last week and it really shows how slow it is but I can live with that for the comfort, refinement, build quality and just a nicer place in which to commute.
     

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