End of an era…..RS3 to be discontinued.
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Hmm…. Noticed this earlier…. Emission regulations put paid to that.. Although heard rumours there will be a Rs3 GT run out edition..?
Let’s just hope it’s a better effort than the final TTrs iconic edition..?
That's truly sad. Even worse is that if the EV's should solve the regulations problem there is no car to match the RS3 or even the A3. I want a car that's not too big and especially not SUV, or SUV-like in any way, There's just Cupra Born, with no decent range or winter capabilities.
Unfortunately it's inevitable thanks to the emission regulations, even the 8y seems lacking with the OPF filters we have in them. I don't think electric cars solve the problem though, the added mining required for the batteries alone outweighs the benefits in my opinion let alone the lack of range. Every year at Christmas there's always a massive queue for the charging stations at motorway services.
I'll be sticking with mine for as long as possible, electric car just have no personality or soul to them let alone the noise.
I'll be sticking with mine for as long as possible, electric car just have no personality or soul to them let alone the noise.
So are you giving up any phones / battery powered equipment you own then ?
The noise / soul perspective I can honestly say I don't miss.
To be fair, my electric car is perfectly fine for commuting. I'd even go as far as to say that it's better than the RS3 was overall just for going to and from work.
That being said, it'll never fill the excitement and fun gap the RS3 left when I sold it and if I could afford to have both I definitely would!
In terms of the battery point, I don't think that's a very good comparison given my phone battery is nearly 5,000x smaller (4,950x to be precise) than the one in my car...
I think attitudes change though, and my view is I’m happy with what I currently have.
Maybe not, but it always seems to be wheeled out when talking about batteries and the precious metals in them.
I appreciate EVs aren’t everyone’s cup of tea, but then when I see an RS car around these parts it’s generally being driven badly and by a tool, which is why I stopped buying them after the 8Y went.
The problem I have with electric cars is they have become disposable, just like phones. With the pace of tech advance there is a big risk of ending up with a betamax that no one wants. Fine if you are leasing for 3 years but I don't see anything as a long-term keeper.
I can guarantee that I can keep my 8V going longer than any electric car I could buy today and I have a completely mechanical Land Rover that has already lasted longer than any car today is likely to last, and most likely will outlast me.
I can guarantee that I can keep my 8V going longer than any electric car I could buy today and I have a completely mechanical Land Rover that has already lasted longer than any car today is likely to last, and most likely will outlast me.
I can see your point of view on that yes.
However we now live in a society where people swap cars every 2-3 years anyway, because 90% are financed / leased anyway.
I’ve changed both cars again in the summer, did ok on the trade ins, which I can’t say was the same after 2 years in the 8Y which lost a lot.
I think with the current cost of living and increase in lease costs, that is starting to change. Some mainstream older cars around the 10-30K are starting to hold their value way more than they used to.
I bought the 8V approved used just under 2 years old (admittedly before it all went mad). Given the spec, history and mileage I would have a good chance of getting back what I paid, not that I have any intention of doing so but I think that has done well and would not even be a significant loss from what it cost new over what is now just turned 8 years.
Land Rover owes me nothing, and despite what it is worth these days, no intention of selling that either.
That doesn't make the actual cars and the larger problem disappear, rather the opposite. Since electric cars are still expensive, except for some Chinese ones, and their resale value is, if not outright terrible, then at least unpredictable, the market is in a trouble. The leased EV's should still be sold on and the only way to make that happen is to press the price so low that someone buys it despite the outdated tech. And to keep going that must be compensated somehow. Solution: offer less in trade-ins and raise all the other prices, like the new ICE cars. The car market is in a deadlock now and this is just tightening it.
Outdated tech applies to all cars lol
The same argument has been applied to all generations of the RS3
I remember when I had the 8P and the 8V was released, the amount of scoff that ex-owners of the 8P threw at people because the 2015 8V had 'better tech' than a dated RNS-e unit
Same with the 8.5V facelift to the 8V and so on, 'old tech' affects all cars.
Now the 2035 ban has effectively been scrapped, what are people going to buy ? certainly not the RS3 because it's emissions systems have become so strangulated they can no longer meet euro 7 regs, and they can never give it back its 'noise' as so many owners crave.
I do agree that the legacy main dealer sales model is at a junction now, whereby they haven't really much clue which way to jump, but to my mind a lot of this is also compounded by thick / ignorant main dealers, that effectively are now starting to flounder as the grip of the likes of Tesla / BYD etc entice buyers in.
I for one think Tesla are superb, test drive with no mither, order with zero hassle, collection was a breeze, servicing there isn't any to speak off (older cars like my ex 2020 make a case for drive motor oil / filter change yes) any issues, you just report it in the app and Tesla DEAL with it, the complete opposite of any Audi / VW dealer experience I've ever had.
Yes mate and you are in the minority these days, most RS3's or indeed RS cars are purchased on some sort of PCP with people ragging the nuts off them for say 2 maybe 3 years, poor to little servicing then handing them back, in some cases modified undeclared, and even crash repaired again undeclared, only for the 2nd owner to have a terrible experience when something requires a warranty job.
I dread to think how tricky / Impossible it would be to find a 8.5V RS3 now that's unmolested and been cared for, the 8Y stands a better chance because Audi locked them up tight, and any tuning requires ££££ of back door work, which weeds out the ones that can barely afford an oil change, let alone a ££££ Tuning package.
Look after that 8.5V because its the last of it's kind and we won't see it's like again.
After I missed the closing date for the DAZA orders, I was lucky enough to find one, exactly as I would have spec'd, down to factory badge deletion and electric standard seats (I hate quilting) Not seen one like that before nor since let alone for sale. It gets used but I look after it well and hopefully it will still be with me as long as some of my others.
I have to admit that I think for me 2017 was peak tech for the cars. I just don't want anything that has been added since. I am not the only one to think that, I have heard Harry Metcalfe say the same thing a couple of times, especially when he bought that 2015 McLaren
It is getting easier to put some of the more useful tech back in older cars, even manufacturers are getting in on the game. Porsche have some good (but expensive) retrofits and I even have a modern nav media unit that talks to my phone in my 80's Land Rover. To me that is the best of all worlds.
The problem I have with the tech on electric cars (and some later ICE/hybrid cars) is the fundamental charging method, it is already getting hard to charge with the older charge plugs.
One thing that has to change is the complete lack of repairability, minor knock and your car is written off, gone. There also sems to be no plan to update or replace batteries at the end of life, nor any plan to recover the metals from these old batteries in any cost effective way, it is still cheaper to dig it out of the ground.
Even if petrol gets hard to find, too much of the world runs on diesel so I should always be able to get enough to run the Landy
It's interesting that Europe are lifting the cut off date for ending both pure ICE and hybrid cars past 2035, I do wonder if that will alter how manufacturers are planning,
I found the attachment below interesting, it's from a Motorcycle site, whether it is genuine I don’t know.
I was in Audi today, gorgeous Etron GT RS with ceramics etc, £170,000 and sales person said it will lose £70k the moment it rolls out of the showroom,
My neighbour's son has just bought an ipace, top of the range 400? something? £72k when new 2 years ago, now with 14,000 miles and he paid £23k for it, scary loses
I found the attachment below interesting, it's from a Motorcycle site, whether it is genuine I don’t know.
I was in Audi today, gorgeous Etron GT RS with ceramics etc, £170,000 and sales person said it will lose £70k the moment it rolls out of the showroom,
My neighbour's son has just bought an ipace, top of the range 400? something? £72k when new 2 years ago, now with 14,000 miles and he paid £23k for it, scary loses
Better to kill the RS3 than release an EV version imho. EV is absolutely dull in every sense as far as I'm concerned.
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I do get fed up with some EV owners trying to cox me into 'having a go' some of them seem to have the mentality of a 17 year old driving a 1.0 litre fiesta with pops and bangs, in fact I get more 'hassle' from the EV brigade than that 17 year old sterotype
I have no problems with the EV's, there just isn't one for me yet. But some EV owners indeed annoy the hell out of me. The thing is, neither EV's or the ICE cars are superior to the another, most EV guys just don't seem to accept that their own user experience doesn't apply to everybody else with different needs, tastes, and the wallet. Also saying EV absolutely dull in every sense then almost looks to me like comparing a horse to a car, stating that the cars are absolutely dull and have no personality at all. To admit, this went on the exaggerated side...
Visited our local Audi dealer yesterday. They had a new RS3 Sportback there, the looks (in Daytona) and the sound are still very attracting, although I mostly think that the importance of the engine sound is way overrated. There was also a E-Tron GT RS Performance, which I think is a magnificent piece of work in it's own league, but if I was given a choice which one to take with me, regardless of money, I'd still go for the RS3.
While the RS3 will soon be history, I'm not seeing a EV match for it in a long time. Axing the RS3 and RS4 leaves quite a gap into Audi's sporty catalog.
Visited our local Audi dealer yesterday. They had a new RS3 Sportback there, the looks (in Daytona) and the sound are still very attracting, although I mostly think that the importance of the engine sound is way overrated. There was also a E-Tron GT RS Performance, which I think is a magnificent piece of work in it's own league, but if I was given a choice which one to take with me, regardless of money, I'd still go for the RS3.
While the RS3 will soon be history, I'm not seeing a EV match for it in a long time. Axing the RS3 and RS4 leaves quite a gap into Audi's sporty catalog.
My dealer also had a fully speced E Tron GT RS sitting in the showroom, I think it's one of the best looking cars out there inc the R8 in the mix, sales bloke said the list was £170K and the instant it is registered and rolls through the door it will lose £70k...............scary