Auto dimming rear view mirrors

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Hi everyone.

My rear view mirror was knackered with the liquid bleed.

Just letting you all know that the S4 cabriolet one is a direct replacement if anyone has a dodgy mirror and struggling to find a replacement.

Mine arrived yesterday, 2 minutes to remove old one and fit new one.

Happy days, can finally see behind me
 
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You may want to be a little more specific on the part dude as the later cars had a different version with a rain sensor

A part number would be useful or chassis designation/model year(s)

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Interesting... I think that one has the rain sensor iirc...

Just plug and play wiring wise? does the mirror have a part number on it?

<tuffty/>
 
Interesting... I think that one has the rain sensor iirc...

Just plug and play wiring wise? does the mirror have a part number on it?

<tuffty/>

Yes mate, just plug straight in.

I'll try to find a part number
 
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I used a USA spec one from a b6 s4 with compass, it has that light sensor I plan on using with an auto light switch
 
I used a USA spec one from a b6 s4 with compass, it has that light sensor I plan on using with an auto light switch


How does the compass work? Is anything else needed to be wired in or is it plug and play
 
because i always go againsts the grain i fitted one from a Hyundai Tucson in my 8l a few years ago, bottom line is gentex makes about 90% of the auto dip mirrors for manufacturers and only the mounts are different

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Anyone got the wiring diagram handy for this? I did have it at one time but seems to have gone astray...

There are 4 wires from memory... I was just planing to wire it for power rather than sort out the reverse switching etc...

<tuffty/>
 
So rolled the dice on a mirror off eBay for a Tucson... it was £20 delivered so seemed worth a punt

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Will pop out to the car later to check fitment on the mount... need to find a wiring diagram too unless @Dohcwp has one kicking about

<tuffty/>
 
im not exactly 100% sure but i think i only used the white wire and the black one, it was 4 years ago and i never documented it as i thought i would be the only person that would go and fit a hyundai mirror in an Audi.

i only did as it was cheap it was extremely close to the shape of the audi mirror, and audi parts are 10x more expensive here in SA.

out of the 5 wires one should be for a reverse signal, and 1 for auto headlights as the tucsons came with auto headlights. (none of the colours or pinouts matched for any of the gentex fitment diagrams that i found) but black and white does power up the compass and the auto dip does work

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This is how i mounted it, i used pratley 123 quickset (it is recommended for interior mirrors) and it works, its been mounted for 4 years now, i cant find my wire cover, but you will have to trim that with a dremel for a neat fit, once the mirror is fitted you can hardly see the original audi mirror mount on the windshield.

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On first look it seems the mounts ball end is larger on the new mirror vs the original auto dipping audi one... not sure if the newer ones like Ashy fitted are larger... I assume they are...

Thanks for the diagram... I'll get it running on the bench then remove my current mirror and see what I can engineer... disc cutter and a welder may play a part in this lol

<tuffty/>
 
So it runs on the bench fine thankfully... goes dark and everything..

First hurdle...
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Hyundai on the left, Audi on the right...

I have a plan... its been mostly executed :)

Pics to follow... (will add to my build thread too)

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closest to the tucson wiring

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Hey dude... how did you end up wiring yours? if I apply 12v to either the green or white wires the mirror just goes dark pretty much immediately... its also now gone milky which is a little disconcerting :/

<tuffty/>
 
Hey dude... how did you end up wiring yours? if I apply 12v to either the green or white wires the mirror just goes dark pretty much immediately... its also now gone milky which is a little disconcerting :/

<tuffty/>

I wired in an A4 auto dimming compass rear view a while back, a whole lotta googling for a pinout with different information and then testing it myself i managed to figure out all the pins and get it all working.

Pin 1 Switch live
Pin 2 Ground
Pin 3 Right/Left mirror auto dimming
Pin 4 Reverse turn off
Pin 5 Left/Right mirror auto dimming
Pin 6 Interior light turn off

If the panels gone milky then i believe its failed and not recoverable without a panel change :disappointed:
 
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Yeah I guess leaning on the back of the mirror pretty hard to get the ball back in nuked it :/

Ah well... will pull it apart for shizz and giggs... and look for a replacement :)

<tuffty/>
 
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Yeah I guess leaning on the back of the mirror pretty hard to get the ball back in nuked it :/

Ah well... will pull it apart for shizz and giggs... and look for a replacement :)

<tuffty/>

Just went out to look at mine and as expected it says gentex on it, i reckon pull it apart and see if there are any gentex P/Ns on the panel. Must be plenty of spares out there if they are on everything

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@Tuffty , i only used two wires black to ground and white to ignition, white powers both the auto dip feature and compass, having fibre issues so ive been offline alot lately.

mirror works fine with only those 2 wires


Light

The moment i shine a light on the sensor it immediately goes into dipped mode

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New mirror arrived... soooo

...seeing as the old mirror was essentially scrap I decided to have at it with tools to see how it came apart... the plan was to work out if I could take the mirror apart to make it safer and easier to swap the modded mount over as I am pretty sure the force I had to use to get the ball to engage caused the demise of the mirror glass
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The surround is pretty tight on there and not a lot of give in the plastic so took it easy to work around the surround to release the catches
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Inside there are a lot of electronics for what is essentially a rear view mirror lol
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I had a look at the mount clamp to see what was needed to do to swap the mount over...
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The metal spring clamp took quite a bit of effort to move and I didn't have anything suitable that I felt comfortable enough to remove and refit it sooooo...
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I just split the new mirror and transferred all the internals to the old casing as I hadn't damaged it on removal thankfully :)

I have now fitted the mirror to the car and just need to wire it up which will happen when the 2 pin plug I ordered for it arrives

Only thing I will say about it so far is... the blacked out area where the compass displays... when off its very disconcerting to see in the mirror at first glance until your brain realises its supposed to be there lol... just need to get used to it after 36yrs of driving with just a normal rearview mirror :)

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(Updated)

Having looked around for info re replacing a standard mirror and an auto-dimming rear view mirror, I have found this and other posts useful. The following details my own experience with a 2006 A6 C6/4F. It seems quite difficult to find out what part code you need (mine has a light grey trim), so all I can say is get something that looks right, and pay particular attention to the bayonet mounting onto the windscreen.

This is my old mirror, the windscreen mount, and the common bayonet mount:
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This is the new mirror that I found on eBay for £33 which was in excellent condition. It was from an A4 B7 (2005-2007) donor car - Auto Dimming Rear View Mirror - 4F0 857 511 E 1YE.
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The wiring to the mirror is from a 6 pin connector. This post already details the pin number and functionality, but does not state that the pin numbers (and where pin 1 is located) are clearly visible on the connector itself.

For completeness, the pinout and colours are as follows:
  • Pin 1 (White) - 12v (connect to ignition, or even better when lights are switched on).
  • Pin 2 (Black) - Ground.
  • Pin 3 (Grey) - No connect (says to wing mirrors - but looked low when not connected).
  • Pin 4 (Yellow) - No connect (says reverse signal - but looked low when not connected).
  • Pin 5 (Brown) - No connect (says to wing mirrors - but looked low when not connected).
  • Pin 6 (Green) - Active Low (connect to interior light switch, low it prevents dimming, float high allows dimming.

Measuring the operation of the mirror on the bench, the power requirements of 'my' mirror were as follows:
  • - 210mA (peaks at 300mA) @ 12v to dim (with green and power lights on),
  • - 100mA when switched off (green power light off).
  • - 107mA when not dimming (green power light on).
  • - 112mA when not dimming because pin 6 is inhibiting dimming.
So when installing the mirror it is essential that no power goes to the mirror when the ignition is off (else you will get a flat battery very quickly).

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I decided (as recommended in posts above) to use wires: power, ground, inhibit (pins 1,2, and 6) and so found some wire (black, red, orange) and a spare PC fan extender cable. I removed the connector from the mirror and soldered on the male half of the PC fan connector onto the three wires I was using, and isolated the remaining wires on the mirror (and stuffed them back into the mirror). The other half of the PC fan connector was then soldered onto my black/red/orange wires. This would allow me to fully disconnect the mirror i.e. in case of windscreen replacement. I added wires that were 75cm in length thinking that I would cut them down during installation, in fact after routing and securing the wires, 75cm was only just long enough.

My intention was to power the mirror from the interior light fitting. This fitting is removed by gently pulling off the covers, which then expose 2 posi-drive screws (towards the windscreen). Once the screws have been removed then the whole thing unclips and will dangle on the wires. In this state it is very easy to route the new wires under the front of the lining, towards the existing loom. Sorry I don't have any pictures, but it is really easy/obvious.

Next task was to wire it in. After some experimentation, I decided to tap off the power to the red LEDs that light whenever the sidelights/headlights are on. Power is sunk through the LEDs and through a current limiting resistor, so this was ideal (and it was easy to get to). My car also has auto-lights, and I could not think of a reason as to why I would ever want the mirror to dim when the lights were off. I also decided to connect the inhibit line (pin 6) to the high side of the interior light. On my car I found that when the light is off, one side of the main bulbs sees a high (after the bulb, approx .10v) but when the light is on, I assume a FET turns on and sinks current to give effectively 0v. This means that when its dark (mirror dimming) and the interior light is switched on, the mirror will un-dim so you can see what's behind you properly.

This is the top view of the interior light unit, next to the mirror:
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The green circles show the two screws positions that secure the unit in place. The yellow circles show the red LEDs circuit that I tapped into to supply power (when side light are on) and ground. The LED circuit connects to the unit with spade connectors (red circles) Underneath the spade is a small hole - so to make the connection, I just partially removed the spade, pushed my black/red wires through the appropriate hole, and pushed the spade connector back on - trapping my new wires. No soldering, no altering anything, very secure. I did a similar thing with my orange wire, just pushed out the bulb holder a little, pushed the orange wire in and pushed the holder back in to secure the wire (not ideal, but more than adequate). I then used some cable ties just to make sure nothing could move in the future. Replaced everything, job done.

When the side lights come on, the auto-dim is enabled and operates, The mirror's green LED is illuminated. The button can be used to switch off the mirror, but next time the lights are switched on, the mirror will be enabled again automatically. The auto-dimming then operates as expected, except when it's dark and the interior light is switched on (causing dimming to be inhibited).

I hope that this information is useful to at least one person! Thanks to previous contributors on this topic, appreciate it.
 
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