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Mine will be getting stage 1 mapped at some point. Will be interesting to compare a stage 1 TTRS vs a stage 2 RS3!
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Santa Pod RWYB day on 7th July if you guys are interested. Myself and Monopole are going to be running our MRC stage 1 and stage 2 cars that day. Don't know what our power outputs will be as the maps are only being done that same week. Will be interesting to see how they perform.
I'm heading down next saturday, then have a few busy weekends ahead so won't be able to make that date unfortunately. Be interesting to see your results though and compare with mine.
Looks like the gloves are off
This is exactly what we need to see, some real world comparisons.
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It's always interesting to get, essentially the same cars, but at different states of tune and by different tuners on the same day same conditions same track etc just to see how they compare...
... Just for fun mind...
I atleast have a personal target to go against - my PFL stage 2 440hp 650Nm best run of 11.69s last year.
If guys can make it on the 7th july stock or tuned, will make some good comparisons
... Just for fun mind...
I atleast have a personal target to go against - my PFL stage 2 440hp 650Nm best run of 11.69s last year.
If guys can make it on the 7th july stock or tuned, will make some good comparisons
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I'll try to be there with my stock TTRS. That should be close to a 11.7 stock.It's always interesting to get, essentially the same cars, but at different states of tune and by different tuners on the same day same conditions same track etc just to see how they compare...
... Just for fun mind...
I atleast have a personal target to go against - my PFL stage 2 440hp 650Nm best run of 11.69s last year.
If guys can make it on the 7th july stock or tuned, will make some good comparisons
Just to add to the above I posted, I found yesterday morning that the Revo software has a nice built in engine temperature protection feature from cold start, so just like OEM where engine revs are limited to 5500rpm until the engine warms up well since the remap this RPM limit stays in place for slightly longer period than normal and instead of just going from 5500rpm to redline when warm, the redline slowly creeps up the RPM scale as things warm up until it’s fully at 7100rpm which took a good 5/10 mins of normal driving.
I think this is a great little extra feature to protect the engine and components, this just shows the thought process of a quality tuning company.
Was at Crail Raceway today and got speaking to the guys at APR and Ecotune, was lucky enough to get a lift in the stage 1 RS3 saloon down the 1/4 mile....actually felt light headed, the thing pulled so f*cking hard it was frighting. Had Wagner intercooler, Eventuri intake and running e85....just brutal lol
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Stage 1 file as the standard Downpipe is still in there. Standard gearbox software too. It was on E85 though which should be around 575bhp.
Stage 2 and TCU and presumably it’s going to break 600.
Stage 2 and TCU and presumably it’s going to break 600.
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Stage 2 on vpower you may be able to break into the 10's but most likely very low 11 at the dragstrip.
A few people have already got in to the 10s though quite easily with stage 2. I think people would be disappointed with low 11s. Another chap today, DH Autos, did a 10.77 at 132. 6 runs in total, 4 below 11 seconds. MRC.
Billy on here will more than likely be there or thereabouts also
Yeah, but no one has ran a 10 sec 1/4 at the drag strip with full weight on 99 ron fuel. It's all E85 or race fuel.
I've ran 10.9 sec 1/4 mile with dragy on my MRC stage 2 but not on the dragstrip where times seems to be worse on average.
DH was using 109 sunoco race fuel.
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Sorry, didn’t realise, my bad!
Don’t understand how APR appear to be achieving more power though than MRC. As APR from a stage 1 alone achieved 508bhp, no hardware at all. Sure Billy’s car was 510 with downpipe, intake and intercooler.
Yeah, not sure, but again figures don't mean much. Would be nice if someone tested an APR car on normal fuel instead of E85. Everything they promote is E85 but they NEVER mention it in the posts, always giving a false impression. Also E85 gives a fair bit more power than race fuel!
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The FL cars respond really well to high octane fuel but here in the UK it's either 99RON at the pump or pay a load of cash for a small amount of high octane race special to spice up the power figures and 1/4 mile times. I suspect the APR/REVO stage 1 super maps will be below 500ps when running on 99RON.
I spoke to Revo HQ 2 days ago as I was waiting for my car to be remapped and the guy was basically saying there not chasing Peak figures like some tuning companies as there acutely aware of performance with safety, some of the figures being thrown around for stage1 are borderline comical and I would question the longevity of the components being acted upon. But what do I know.
The good tuners will map for drivability. You don’t drive the car on top end most of the time.
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Still enjoying the Revo map? Plans well in motion for me to go down this route.
Standard car yesterday, full tank of fuel, I ran 12.24 at 115.1. Wasn’t the best either as seemed to lost some traction from 1st to 2nd. What’s interesting is a guy that was pre fl with tune went 12.2 something also I was told. Need to find his times just to be sure
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Standard car yesterday, full tank of fuel, I ran 12.24 at 115.1. Wasn’t the best either as seemed to lost some traction from 1st to 2nd. What’s interesting is a guy that was pre fl with tune went 12.2 something also I was told. Need to find his times just to be sure
Lol the launch off the line and the change from 1st to 2nd was terrible. Auto too. A lad in a golf R running 420 only managed a 11.9. Not great times on the day sadly. And that lad tuned in his pre fl also ran a 12.2
12.24?! Were you towing a caravan...?
Lol the launch off the line and the change from 1st to 2nd was terrible. Auto too. A lad in a golf R running 420 only managed a 11.9. Not great times on the day sadly. And that lad tuned in his pre fl also ran a 12.2
Revo are beyond tempting me!!
This brings the dreaded warranty vs risk argument back.
I wish Revo did what ABT-Sportsline in Germany do, they honour the Manufacturer warranty for 2 years, but this isn't available in the UK...
This brings the dreaded warranty vs risk argument back.
I wish Revo did what ABT-Sportsline in Germany do, they honour the Manufacturer warranty for 2 years, but this isn't available in the UK...
Tit for tat with these guys. Guys I spoke to at the APR stand said they have like 20 guys working on any one map fine tweaking the files. They said hey engine and gearbox is unbelievably strong and good for 700bhp. So much R and D has gone in to it, hence they delays in bringing it to market. They aren’t going to risk their reputation but staining the engine to the edge for fear of ruining engines world wide.
I agree with you but then that’s the party line from Revo with regards to R&D! Best part of a year in development covering several continents and 30k miles of testing so it’s just a case of making a decision really. I chose Revo over the rest as I personally think stage1 figures of around 480/490ps are more realistic than over 500ps like other companies are quoting. Also speaking directly to the HQ gave me the warm and fuzzy feeling over the other options.
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There is no "flag" inside your ecu as such.....
The "TD1 Flag" is actually a flag on the internal VAG car database not physically (or electronically) in the vehicle itself and can be added to a cars chassis number manually by a dealer for a number of reasons:
Basically if they feel they have sufficient evidence that the vehicle has been tuned/modified they can add the TD1 eg. physical evidence the ECU has been opened, excessive flash counter value, File verification via the GEKO server, Boost and injection quantity logging, Tuning box related DTC's, aftermarket exhaust, suspension etc.
Once the TD1 is added, any dealer query on that particular chassis number will show that there is a TD1 flag stored against that vehicle, and thus any drive train related warranty claim could be called into question depending on the dealer. It isn't an automatic VOID of your warranty as some would suggest, its simply a flag to alert the dealer working on your car that it has been modified and my require different diagnostic procedures to a standard car.
Flashing your car will increment the flash counter in your ECU so a savvy dealer could possibly question you regarding this - there is no way around it I'm afraid. But with that said, it certainly doesn't mean an automatic TD1 flag will be raised against your car.
If the dealer goes looking specifically they may see that the flash counter has incremented which in turn could raise their suspicions regarding whether the car has been tuned (unlikely to get a TD1 flag for this alone).
Further to that they could request a software verification via the GEKO server in Germany which will check to see if the software inside your ECU has an original Volkswagen AG certified checksum/RSA signature (which of course it will not if you are running a modified file but will if you have flashed back to stock)
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Lots of handy info there, cheers! Didn't realise that the checksums would be verified.
So if I wanted to revert back to stock before a service, would I need Revo to make a clone of my ECU before the map is applied and then just flash this back when I come to take it in?