My s3 has been shot by air rifle!

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some horrible person has shot my s3 with an air rifle, I can't work out if it's been done outside my house or while driving, but surley I would have heard it if it was while driving.

I'm absolutely gutted and wanted to vent my anger here. Any thoughts?

Tom

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I would have thought you would have heard that if you were in the car driving. The stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me.
 
Report it to the police, and from the angle of the impact, if you car is parked side onto your house, I would say its your neighbour to the left as you are looking out and he was lying down around 50-60 feet away. Police forensics can determine for certain the angle.
 
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OMG!!!

Sorry to see this mate and I can appreciate what you must be feeling right now!!!

Hope you get it sorted soon.
 
how do you know it was an air rifle??
 
Absolutely ridiculous. People have no respect what's so ever these days.

I really hope you can some how find out who did this and get some sort of compensation. This type of stuff is just not on!
 
tom2001s3 said:
surley I would have heard it if it was while driving.
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Bad luck

Act of a utter ****

The sound of the pellet hitting would be about the same as say a stone pinging up against the underside of the car

With the engine on, stero on you could have not heard or assumed it was something else
 
The police take any fire arms incidents very seriously, i would report it.
 
That sucks! :no:
As said before report it, keep us posted...:thumbs up:

Have you upset anyone of late?
 
Thanks for all the sympathy. Tbh I hadn't thought about reporting it to the police.

The side that was hit was facing away from my house which points to a row of houses on a 45• angle and a kids play park.

I get on fine with my neighbours and there's no reason for it just bad luck I suppose.

My only concern is how well could the door be matched to the rest of the car. Red is notorious..


Cheers guys
 
My house is in the background of the second photo
 
Report it!
Next time it could be someones pet or worse still a child...
 
Mm kids play park sounds like a possibility,as above I would say the pellet has come in from the right hand side of the picture at an around a 45-60 degree angle. Police forensics could determine the calibre and make of pellet from the metalurgical trace left on the car (well they would be able to on NCIS).
I would inform the police there may be other people who have been targeted.

Karl.
 
Report it.

Always report any crime not matter how big or small. IF they catch someone for a crime they can usually then pin a series of similar events on them. This lowlife that shot your car may well get caught doing the same to someone else's.
 
The more I look at it the more I am thinking its the tip of an umbrella or similar. A pellet would have left a grey stain at the point of impact from the lead. Whereas this mark also has what appears to be rust and dirt. I concur with Desertstorm on the angle of impact. If someone had the brolly held horizontalay in their left hand at waist height and swung it towards your car it may have the same result.
 
Possibly a kid dinged it with handle bar of a bike or scooter ??
 
Twats! That's defo airgun damage and a close shot! The orange colour is from heat on impact and can see the pellet mark. To do that damage to a car panel it must of been under 30yards, Looks like .22 pellet about 5.5mm, could of been done with a pistol by someone walking up behind the car. You should make a report the Police as someone in your area maybe known or have previous. Two men were locked up from attacks last October for airgun attacks on cars near M20/M26 junction for criminal damage and attempt to endanger life!
 
Can you please let me know your ballistics or forensic experience to say for certain that its an airgun?

The heat required to turn steel orange is nearly 1000 degrees, no airgun can propel a projectile at sufficient speed to cause that much heat in compression (*), and you can see that its the primer / protection layer that is discoloured and not bare steel. The discolouration marks are material transference from the item used to cause the damage. The impact has been made by something with a hollow or recessed tip, maybe like a hollow point pellet, but a hollow point is designed to expand on impact which would have flattened out upon initial impact and not left the circular paint mark with raised lip.
I stand by my suggestion that its an umbrella tip or similar.

No experience in ballistic forensics but you can be assured that I know a bit about bullet impacts and their effect on things.

My firearms experience? (Because I just know you are going to ask.)
Comp pistol shooter for the West Midlands 1989 - 1992.
Pro pistol shooter for the UK 1994 - 1996.
Firearm demo and sales for H&K 1996- 1998.
Tactical Firearms instructor for Sig Sauer 1998 - 2001.
Security and firearms advisor for foreign private security firm 2001- retired.
Shotgun instructor 2005 - present.
Assistant firearms instructor to various UK police forces, Occasional 2005 - present.
UK PSG range officer and instructor 2009 - present.
Local gun club instructor trainer and range officer 2009 - present.
NRA range officer 2010 - present.


(*) A 250grn full metal jacket .45acp round fired at 1/2" steel plate from 25yrd generates compression heat, but not hot enough to burn your finger or discolour the steel in anyway, other than material transference. This I am certain about, I use these bullets twice a week.
Bullet travels around 750fps and has around 312 f/lbs of energy, a legal limit air rifle is 12 f/lbs, a pistol is 6 f/lbs.

So, in conclusion the bullet with 300 f/lbs more energy than a pellet cannot heat steel enough with energy compression to turn it orange.

Still think I am a ****?
 
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sidibear said:
Can you please let me know your ballistics or forensic experience to say for certain that its an airgun?

The heat required to turn steel orange is nearly 1000 degrees, no airgun can propel a projectile at sufficient speed to cause that much heat in compression (*), and you can see that its the primer / protection layer that is discoloured and not bare steel. The discolouration marks are material transference from the item used to cause the damage. The impact has been made by something with a hollow or recessed tip, maybe like a hollow point pellet, but a hollow point is designed to expand on impact which would have flattened out upon initial impact and not left the circular paint mark with raised lip.
I stand by my suggestion that its an umbrella tip or similar.

No experience in ballistic forensics but you can be assured that I know a bit about bullet impacts and their effect on things.

My firearms experience? (Because I just know you are going to ask.)
Comp pistol shooter for the West Midlands 1989 - 1992.
Pro pistol shooter for the UK 1994 - 1996.
Firearm demo and sales for H&K 1996- 1998.
Tactical Firearms instructor for Sig Sauer 1998 - 2001.
Security and firearms advisor for foreign private security firm 2001- retired.
Shotgun instructor 2005 - present.
Assistant firearms instructor to various UK police forces, Occasional 2005 - present.
UK PSG range officer and instructor 2009 - present.
Local gun club instructor trainer and range officer 2009 - present.
NRA range officer 2010 - present.


(*) A 250grn full metal jacket .45acp round fired at 1/2" steel plate from 25yrd generates compression heat, but not hot enough to burn your finger or discolour the steel in anyway, other than material transference. This I am certain about, I use these bullets twice a week.
Bullet travels around 750fps and has around 312 f/lbs of energy, a legal limit air rifle is 12 f/lbs, a pistol is 6 f/lbs.

So, in conclusion the bullet with 300 f/lbs more energy than a pellet cannot heat steel enough with energy compression to turn it orange.

Still think I am a ****?
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thats quite some umbrella attack tho

lol
 
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Thats some comeback Paul!!! :)
 
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I'm certainly no expert, all I have is a simple BSRA Air Gun Tutor cert. But it does, the more I look at it look like something else. It just seems a lot of damage, a pellet can rip through a aluminium can, but steel cans are something else. I've seen a pellet bounce of a steel can. You can get steel bearing tipped pellets, but I'm sure sidibear would put me right here, but the velocity on them may be significantly lower.

What about a catapult ?
 
Theoben eliminator is fac rated and would easily go through that door from 20-30 yards it is 40ft/lb or over their is a load of air rifles that can be modded to be over the 12ft/lb legal limit, that is 100% I pellet mark and if anyone would like me to come and shoot there s3 to prove a point, :)
 
@ Westcoast a3, airguns like that are very expensive and bought by people who are grown up enough not to shoot at peoples cars. There does appear to be striations as if from the lands and groves of the rifling, I am not saying it isn't an airgun, just looking to explore different options.

Perhaps the OP can give us some dimensions.
 
Mate when I was 16 had an eliminator, they go for around 300 pounds and you can put a gas ram into any spring gun for around 30-40 pounds sec d hand and put a .22 in a 177 and boom double power and they can then be pumped up by hand pump and 12 conector from ebay to make as strong as you want is very easy to do and have shot many old cars with alloy pellets :)
 
This is the case , Cliff isn't a known troublemaker .

Trouble is sidi has now blown his cover for being a Government Man at arms assassin.
 
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