R tech is one of, if not, the best you can go to anyway. You'll be safe there for sure
Santa pod meets stage 2+ ...results...
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R tech is one of, if not, the best you can go to anyway. You'll be safe there for sure
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So if it's not had any weight reduction then it's clearly 450-500hp, got any power figures for it?. I didn't think a K04 could get anywhere near that, even on the ragged edge?
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I'm sure that is a factor.
ALS on a stock turbo is not a recipe for longevity however.
For short runs its not so bad but EGTs go sky high and bearing loads also go right up.
On the daily driver side mine is also a daily driver but taking the rear seats out loses 60kgs and is very easy to do along with other things like the spare etc etc.
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i was going to, but judging by the mentality that the guy has already spent a bomb for not a lot i didn't think he'd want to anyway at this point
u r right bud, water meth system is step too far for me, i need fast, daily driver, easy convert back to stock kind of S3...stage 2+ was a mistake, but now i need to c it through, cos santa pod was soul crushing experience, i even bought the ****** helmet thinking that i will do more than 110mph...
i think superkarl was talking about that down under golf 11.3 on stock turbo is askin' for trouble...
by the way, i received a parcel from CTS turbo yank-land, few weeks back i bought the turbo discharge pipe kit( late night shopping, bad idea), not sure now to fit it or just sell...
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Bob, you are going to need about 400hp to get that 110mph, I don't think it's going to happen even with that remap. I'd save yourself some cash and put the S3 on a diet instead. Get rid of anything you don't need for the day, seats, carpets, tools, spare, radio, run the tank low etc, then go get your 110mph run.
remap is the last cash im spending on it...everything stays as is in car, thats the point that wot ever it makes on strip it can make on any day...its my daily driver, im not stripin' anything, but thx for advice...
...about the 110mph we will c on 18th of april...
...about the 110mph we will c on 18th of april...
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I think they are only using it for launch control and maybe flat shift. I don't think it works every time you lift the gas pedal! Otherwise the turbo would just be useless after a few miles since it's not build to withstand such punishment !
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Flat shift is slightly different from ALS,but I see where you're going with that.
Either way,both will work the turbo pretty hard,and no road going item will cope well with that.
I had full ALS on my Escort Cosworth,plus water injection etc etc,but it was a full race spec turbo with all the trimmings.
ALS is a real mixed bag......yes,you get pretty much instant boost,ut the downsides are many,and on a track or drag strip it's a manageable prospect to drive with,but cornering under braking with ALS is something else.
...so little update, just came back from Simon Green Motorsport, turns out i got a very good n customer friendly local tuner, AmD map is gone n it will never return, would not recommend AmD stage 2+ to anyone, stage 2 yes, liked it a lot , go figure how that was pos but hey ho...
...r tech will be cancelled as well, cos car is a propa animal again, some might say i have changed my tune, yes n no, i still regret going stage 2+, cos im not rich n still believe stage 1 is all u need for daily driver...
...i'm going back to pod this weekend, if weather holds...so will c who's right, will just a map make any dif in speed n time...
...r tech will be cancelled as well, cos car is a propa animal again, some might say i have changed my tune, yes n no, i still regret going stage 2+, cos im not rich n still believe stage 1 is all u need for daily driver...
...i'm going back to pod this weekend, if weather holds...so will c who's right, will just a map make any dif in speed n time...
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I'm Revo and could not be happier so can't comment on AMD map... but what map you running now then mate?
APR bud, had CTS turbo discharge kit installed as well, did a quick ran after ( before new map ) didn't notice any dif, but i bought it ages ago so it's on the car...
got stage 2 apr on mine and they certainly are animal like maps, just seem to want to boost and booost harder and boost harder
I had APR on y last S3 and look at the figures I got dude compared to everyone else on stage 2+ when we was at AMD last year.
APR for me all the way again this time also.
APR for me all the way again this time also.
I've been following this thread and felt like chiming in for a sec.... I don't know about all this drag strip stuff - seems expensive and risky for limited return, especially if it's your only car... There are much better cars for this purpose and S3 is not really that unless you drop a shed load of money on it and strip all of the comfort out of it, but then you're not really going to have a 'daily driver' any more and will most likely have its own downsides. Decide what is more important to you and what your budget is and stick to that, but you can't reasonably expect it to be a drag strip champion car, stay reliable and comfortable at the same time, can you?
My Stg 2+ S3 with a road focused ST X coilover kit felt amazing on some nearby A and B roads last Sunday. A few friends and I went out for a 'spirited' early morning run that went on for about 180 miles - I have not had this much fun in a long time! To me all that matters is having a daily driver that feels great hooning around some empty back roads as well as be 'at home' doing the school run or acting as a shopping trolley. A properly tuned and cared for S3 does that very well.
My Stg 2+ S3 with a road focused ST X coilover kit felt amazing on some nearby A and B roads last Sunday. A few friends and I went out for a 'spirited' early morning run that went on for about 180 miles - I have not had this much fun in a long time! To me all that matters is having a daily driver that feels great hooning around some empty back roads as well as be 'at home' doing the school run or acting as a shopping trolley. A properly tuned and cared for S3 does that very well.
I know, but to be honest i will be using my local tuning company (simon green motorsport ) , i cant really say anything bad about AmD as such, but last few times i wasn't 100% happy with some people attitude/work, must say that two guys ( sorry can't remember the names ) where really nice and friendly n who ever did my exhaust did a good job, but sadly map guy(maybe had a bad day or something) was a bit dif story n whoever was doin' intercooler change n intake swop could of been a bit more careful...anyway they got some very good people working at AmD, but i have moved on now to smaller more local company...that's just my opinion, sorry if someone will not like it...
...comparing AmD stage 2+ map n APR stage 2+ map, well AmD map made me wanna sell my car n hate every minute driving it, APR map I'm in love again, but AmD stage 2 map was ok, i was happy with it, just the update for 2+ is utter ****...will c wot times i will get from APR map, maybe i will have to make a massive apology, who knows...im done with dynos as well, thinking about gettin' race logic performancebox...
...i believe that torque is more important than bhp...
100% agree, + APR map seems to adapt to mods much better, hybrid turbo story is the proof...
...agree with most of it, but im not after drag car, took it to strip just to confim wot real life improvement i got out of mods/map ...dyno numbers are full of **** I'm taking it to strip this time just to get peace of mind n get some kind of justification for time n money spent, i love my S3 it's a awesome car, does more or less everything, it all depends on person driving it...i have found that i would of been as happy at stage 1 or 2 as i'm now, but that's just me...will i move on at some point, yes, but just because i fancy rwd car not because S3 isn't a good car...
i have tried to be honest with my feelings about the mods, tuning companies n car itself, it might help someone if it doesn't hey ho...will i be upset about it, no, not really 
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Bob....i have tried to be honest with my feelings about the mods, tuning companies n car itself, it might help someone if it doesn't hey ho...will i be upset about it, no, not really
It has to be something that works on an individual basis and if it doesn't then you have to look elsewhere.
I do think that even if you succeed in wringing maybe 400lbs of torque from the K04(which would be ragging it to death practically speaking) that you aren't going to see huge bits of time lopped off.
That however is my opinion and my experience of the car and that particular turbo.
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Alex is right, as I said before the trap speed is dependant on power to weight ratio, and time is dependant on traction. With a more aggressive map it will feel faster to you because you are using the peak torque, but in a drag race peak torque is much less important than peak power, because as you go through the gears you will always be closer to the horsepower peak. As the power will be more or less the same as last time, so will the trap speed, the time will depend on how well you launch it and the weather conditions.
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we shall c, if the same comes in this time, i will let it go, but i have seen guys running good times n faster speed...it will all be cleared on next pod meet...but thx for input
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When I went from Stage 2 to 2+ all I really noticed was mid range grunt, not top end.
If you want noticeable gains you need stage 3 or hybrid turbo.
I can see you getting similar times with no marginal improvement on your next runs.
If you want noticeable gains you need stage 3 or hybrid turbo.
I can see you getting similar times with no marginal improvement on your next runs.
...i need to know for sure...
...this latest map is my last spend on my S3, if all of u r right, then i will let it go n just enjoy driving it for few more months...
...this latest map is my last spend on my S3, if all of u r right, then i will let it go n just enjoy driving it for few more months...
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Weight of S3 according to Parker's = 1455-1495kg (3201-3289lb). Estimated weight of Bob plus fuel and belongings in the car - 100kg (220lb). Combined weight of the car ready to run - 1555-1595kg (3421-3509lb). Let's plug these numbers into a drag racing calculator for fun. We know that on the last run the car trapped at 107mph, that gives us a power estimate of 314-344whp which seems about right from the power figures he gave. Now let's change the trap speed to 110... Now you need 365-374whp. So you will need an additional 30-51hp to get that extra 3mph, so realistically you are going to need well over 400 at the crank to trap that high.
I'm sorry Bob, it's not going to happen mate.
Take out the spare wheel, rear and passenger seats and leave minimum fuel in the tank Doing the run naked might also help, although you might get some funny looks - all in the name if speed, so its fine
Doing the run naked might also help, although you might get some funny looks - all in the name if speed, so its fine Doing the run naked might also help, although you might get some funny looks - all in the name if speed, so its fine
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Take out the spare wheel, rear and passenger seats and leave minimum fuel in the tank
Removing the rear seats does make a noticeable difference.
They weigh around 60-70 kgs and if you add in other things like lighter alloy wheels and a good brake kit(even the VWR kit I originally bought is around 25kgs lighter than the originals) and it's not difficult to shed 100kgs.
If you really want to do that of course.
i'm sure it would, but i wanna c wot it can do with all the comfort still intact...
...spending more money on it is a big no no...
...spending more money on it is a big no no...
...so, just came back from pod...
...all i will say is Thank you APR
n Simon Green Motorsport, could start n be ***** about it, but that's not me...
...car was on same tyres, half a tank of petrol, no weight saving anywhere, bob still enjoyed chicken kebab's...
...here's the time slip...
...all i will say is Thank you APR
n Simon Green Motorsport, could start n be ***** about it, but that's not me......car was on same tyres, half a tank of petrol, no weight saving anywhere, bob still enjoyed chicken kebab's...
...here's the time slip...
Flexiblemouse
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Congratulations Bob, that turbo must be going balls to the wall, got to be 400hp at the crank. Either that our your S3 is much lighter than the estimates, either way well done.